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Old Fart's mouth speaks faster than his brain can think

Lee Hsien Tau

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http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.com/2009/06/old-mans-mouth-speaks-faster-than-his.html


Monday, 15 June 2009
Old Man's mouth speaks faster than his brain can think
at 12:05:00 AM
Talking without engaging brain is like revving engine without engaging gear - all noise and no movement. That must be MM Lee's motto whenever he travels overseas.

Now how many (countless) times has he made remarks that offends his hosts? The latest fiasco is reported over here.

Remarks spark reaction
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/6/14/nation/4117684&sec=nation

Excerpts:

GEORGE TOWN: Comments by Singapore’s Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew that Penang’s infrastructure is found wanting have led to the Chief Minister and his predecessor pointing fingers at each other.

“Lee mentioned that our infrastructure is inferior compared to Ipoh and Seremban.

“Perhaps this is a reflection of the ‘graceful decline’ that Penang has undergone over the last 18 years,” said Lim Guan Eng, who is also DAP secretary-general.

He said the state was willing to work with the federal government to carry out “necessary remedial measures” on Penang, especially in the areas of communications and transport.

Gerakan president Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon, who is the former Chief Minister, hit back claiming that Lee had focused on the condition of the state’s roads in his statement about inadequate infrastructure.

“Most of the roads in Penang are under the state (government) or the municipal council. It has been more than a year that Pakatan Rakyat has been administering them,” said Dr Koh.

Lee, whose last official visit to Penang was in 1989, met both leaders privately yesterday – Lim at about 12.20pm at his office in Komtar and Dr Koh at about 3pm at the E&O hotel where the Singapore entourage was staying.

Lim and Dr Koh said that Lee had inquired about the political change and situation in Penang.

Lee, who will conclude his visit tomorrow, declined to talk to reporters.



This is not the first time The Old Man has interfered in the internal affairs of a foreign nation. Here is another example.
http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.com/2008/02/mm-lee-should-stop-interfering-with.html

Lee has time and again stressed traditional Chinese Custom and values. However, one of the values of Chinese Custom is never to criticise your host. That is definitely forbidden. So what traditional Chinese Custom is this old man purportedly trying to propagate?

Imagine, a foreign ex-PM (eg, Dr Mad Hatter), comes to Singapore and criticizes Tanjong Pagar GRC for its management and names another GRC as a much better run GRC. How would our leaders in Singapore take that? Isn't that interference?

Old Man Lee should learn to shut up. He is causing Singaporeans an embarrassment. If he truly wants to improve bilateral ties with Malaysia, he should start thinking before talking. Otherwise revving engine without engaging gear will lead to all noise and no movement.
 

Lee Hsien Tau

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Loyal
18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Haven't looked at Lee's comments in detail, but they sound quite mild compared to what he said that has aroused controversy in past.
(eg: Johore is filled with thieves and robbers)

Lee has many detractors ready to pounce on his evry remark to create controversy and unless we have issues with Lee, I would not want to be used by his opponents to supply free criticism.

As we all know, those chinese or indian dominated areas in m'sia suffer from unfair discrimination and lack of development because the malay-dominated central govt simply isnt going to treat them as well as the malay dominated areas, even more so if like penang, it is opposition stronghold. We could say the same about Potong Pasir or Hougang here, but to a much lesser extent.

At least Lee has built up singapore, albeit in his own idea of what is a good place to live in. What have Lee's critics done? Besides support the gay agenda???

Have you ever met Lee in person, and maybe sat and talked with him? I met him when I was younger and found him to be a considerate and thinking person. Ruthless? Compared to leaders in other countries, he is really gentle.

Come on lah, give the old man a break.

sig
15 June 2009 12:59 PM
Anonymous said...

A case of an opposition party jumping at the slightest chance to criticise the federal government, very much like our human rights opposition.

LKY's comments were the bullets he needed. Lim was more likely to have been thankful, not upset.
15 June 2009 1:12 PM
Anonymous said...

He spoke the truth isn't it ?
15 June 2009 3:33 PM
Anonymous said...

He may not be as senile as some may wish us to conclude.

Hands up those who think his trip to Malaysia is a wasteful vacation or a nostalgic whim :smile:

We can't depend of FTs, so he realized, and our political talents...

So, what to do, let's move on...
15 June 2009 6:30 PM
Anonymous said...

At least lao Lee is scared of the gay agenda---he cannot be too bad.

In fact the older many people are, the more conservative they actually are, altho they may try to hide it.

Recently I went into a long tirade abt AWARE and the CSE when I was having dinner with my mum and dad and got scolded for being anti-gay.

But when I asked them if they supported gay marriage, they said NO. I started to laugh, and said I supported gay marriage in principle(tho not children being raised by gay parents), so who was anti-gay now???

I will bet that lao Lee is very cautious of these aggressive, militant gays. Come on, he doesn't even tolerate his ministers having affairs, how is he going to tolerate "healthy" anal sex????

Or FOLSOM STREET in Singapore???

sig
15 June 2009 9:03 PM
Civic Advocator said...

He needs to be out of the picture, since he is out of touch.
16 June 2009 8:07 AM
solo bear said...

>> He spoke the truth isn't it ?
>>

The point is not the truth. The point is interference. How would Singapore take it if an ex-leader from another nation interferes with our internal politics?

It is also true that Singapore has racist policies, but our guests were polite not to mention it. LKY on the other hand has always claimed to support Traditional Chinese values, yet he does the most untraditional of Chinese Values - criticizing his hosts.

sig
>> Have you ever met Lee in person, and maybe sat and talked with him? I met him when I was younger and found him to be a considerate and thinking person. Ruthless? Compared to leaders in other countries, he is really gentle.
>>

He is gentle only if you kowtow to his ideals. The moment he sees you a threat, he truly is ruthless.

Below is a thread in another blog where I have had some differing views of what he is capable of. Note the extent how LKY used the Brits, Tengku and even ordinary Singaporeans to achieve his planned merger with Malaysia and the eventual breakup, so that he could be PM of independent Singapore.

LKY in Malaysian Tour
16 June 2009 9:31 AM
Anonymous said...

Hi solo,

just to correct you a litte, lao lee was already the PM of singapore before the merger(self governing on 1959, declared independence on 1963, full independence on 1956),do note that at the time of independence, singapore is relatively unstable facing , racial tension/riot in singapore, communism threat, low employment, no natural resourses, and confontasi/military insertions from indonesia. If not for the strong will and methods that he and his team employed, singapore will not be what we are today.

MM lee think of merger as a possible solution to counter the lack of natural resourses,job employment(as a export centre) but back out due to in- laying racial sensitivities and political divides.

jacob
16 June 2009 10:13 AM
Anonymous said...

sorry correction to the dates, full independence on 1965.

jacob
16 June 2009 10:14 AM
solo bear said...

It is true that LKY was PM of autonomous Singapore before merger. But the threat to him was Chin Siong was gathering steam and if he was allowed to continue, he (Chin Siong) might be able to oust the Brits, and become PM of INDEPENDENT Singapore.

LKY had all along wanted to be PM of an independent nation. Anything less than that won't satisfy his appetite for power. His long history of deposing his adversaries, whom he felt was a threat to his power, is testimony to that.

So LKY had to think of something fast to stop Chin Siong. The merger was the perfect plan.
16 June 2009 11:31 AM
Anonymous said...

i will beg to differ on that, it was precieved or so he cliam at the time the chin siong was sympatathic towards the communist or a communist himself(altought not proven),and with the merger, he will have the means to expelled/control the communist influece and justiflies to the british that we are fully capable of running this country, without us turning RED or in danger of turning into one.

In that time and age , and in that context, without natural resourses and various threats around, MM LEE do the best that he could, althought questionable at our time now. but hei, we are what we are now , partly thanks to him and his team.

if he is not as strong willed or as you put it, "power hungry", we will not have the platform/country as we now know it, for all you know, we might suffer the same fate of the other commonweath country.

jacob
16 June 2009 11:56 AM
solo bear said...

>> if he is not as strong willed or as you put it, "power hungry", we will not have the platform/country as we now know it, for all you know, we might suffer the same fate of the other commonweath country.
>>

We can argue till the cows come home. All this is now history. I believe that the Brits would have given us independence anyway - just a matter of time.

During that era, there were only 2 characters, who had the will and the charisma to lead Singapore. It was either Chin Siong or Kuan Yew. Other characters were nowhere near them.

I doubt we would ever turn red commie. Although Chin Siong used the Chinese ground to against the Brits, China was never impressed. It must also be noted that LKY used the Chinese ground against the Tengku - albeit from a different approach.

If LKY can change tune from it would be best for Singapore to merge with Malaysia to let's rebel against Malaysia, Chin Siong could have worked something from let's get Brits out politically to let's go Brit and/or West, when it comes to economic ties, as a term for us to go independent.

In this case, it just so happens that LKY outwitted Chin Siong. I strongly believe if Chin Siong had ousted LKY, Chin Siong would have probably done all the things LKY did, including leading us to economic success and locking up all his adversaries.

Of course, Singaporeans will then curse the Lim Dynasty instead.

Singapore does not depend on one man.
16 June 2009 3:32 PM
Anonymous said...

Hi solo,

as you said, its history now, pls do note that i used MM lee and his team, as you rightly put,singapore does not depend on one man, but whoever is leading, will need to have clear sense of vision or direction and on what he wants, and a delicated team which can pull pull it thru. which so far, i cant see any in our dear opposition. maybe in 30 yrs time or more, just maybe.

you are right that chin siong is the main rival in that era, too bad, you cant have 2 tigers on the same mountian :biggrin:

jacob
16 June 2009 4:03 PM
Seelan Palay said...

Good article, Solo Bear.
18 June 2009 1:20 PM
Anonymous said...

Bear, please don't let your emotions run free as well. Look at Lee's comments. he said that the infrastructure of Penang were inferior compared to Ipoh or Seremban, which are still in Malaysia the last time I checked. It's like me going to your house and saying eh, your guest toilet tiles are older than your master bedroom toilet tiles hor?

It's a harmless innocuous comment. Seen in a positive light, he thinks that Ipoh and Seremban are well-developed.
18 June 2009 7:08 PM
Seelan Palay said...

Anyway Solo Bear, I recommended your article to Singapore Daily and they've featured you in their aggregation: http://singaporedaily.net/
19 June 2009 11:48 AM
Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 18 June 2009 7:08 PM says it most succintly: that Lao Lee was comparing one part of Malaysia to another part of Malaysia.

cont......
 

Lee Hsien Tau

Alfrescian
Loyal
Isn't it good that this has sparked some reaction from the Penang officials, so they can hopefully get their act together and make things better?

What was wrong with Lao Lee's comments exactly?

More importantly, why are you using this issue to attack him? You running for office ah?
19 June 2009 2:45 PM
solo bear said...

Seelan,

Oh, OK. thanks for dropping by. Actually, I have been busy the whole day today and only managed to look at this blog only just.
19 June 2009 3:33 PM
 

Char_Azn

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Asset
I think the question here should be, was the Old Man asked for his comment on Penang. If the answer is Yes, then he wasnt doing anything wrong. He comment waht he saw. If the answer is No, then whatever U just said is true, he should have shut up
 

po2wq

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tis time he din say penang shud learn fr sg is gd enuff oredi ...

actually, iz dose 2 fellas @ penang bueh zai ... esp dat x cm who lashed out 1st ...
 
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