Old Fart: If I Say U Defame Me, It Means U Defame!

[makapaaa]

This is the short message this report is conveying!

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>Right to criticise 'doesn't cover lies'
</TR><!-- headline one : end --><TR>Govt responds to call by US advocacy group to desist from 'using defamation suits to stifle political opposition' </TR><!-- show image if available --></TBODY></TABLE>




<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->THE Government yesterday gave its position on criticisms levelled against government leaders by opposition politicians, in response to a statement by a New York-based advocacy group, Human Rights Watch (HRW).
The group had called on Singapore's leaders to 'end the practice of using defamation suits to stifle political opposition'. In comments posted on its website yesterday, it highlighted a High Court ruling this week.
<TABLE width=200 align=left valign="top"><TBODY><TR><TD class=padr8><!-- Vodcast --><!-- Background Story --><STYLE type=text/css> #related .quote {background-color:#E7F7FF; padding:8px;margin:0px 0px 5px 0px;} #related .quote .headline {font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:10px;font-weight:bold; border-bottom:3px double #007BFF; color:#036; text-transform:uppercase; padding-bottom:5px;} #related .quote .text {font-size:11px;color:#036;padding:5px 0px;} </STYLE>THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE
'The Chees had every opportunity to justify and prove their allegations in court, but totally failed to do so.'
Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts spokesman K. Bhavani

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>HRW noted that the court had awarded Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew six-figure sums against the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP), its secretary-general Chee Soon Juan and his sister Chee Siok Chin for defamation.
In reply, the Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts' spokesman noted that in Singapore, opposition politicians have the right to criticise the Government and government leaders.
But, Ms K. Bhavani added, 'that does not entitle them to tell lies or defame'.

=> Throughout the whole process, the Familee is putting words into the mouths of CSJ and co. and then built up a case them. Any real court would have thrown it out. And only the Familee-affiliated court would join in the humtum. The real liar is the Old Fart. Why is the court not prosecuting him for lying in court about IBA's endorsement?

'If they do, the leaders must either sue to clear their names and be prepared to be cross-examined in open court, or allow the lies to stand unchallenged and the public to believe that the defamations are true.
'This is the way to establish the truth, and to keep Singapore's public discourse honest and responsible.''
In reference to the court ruling, Ms Bhavani noted that the Chees and their political party, the SDP, had accused PM Lee and MM Lee of dishonesty, nepotism and corruption, among other things.
They had done it just before a General Election in 2006, she noted in a statement to the media. 'When the two ministers sued, the other members of the SDP central executive committee apologised, but Chee and his sister refused to do so.
'The Chees had every opportunity to justify and prove their allegations in court, but totally failed to do so. Therefore, they have to pay damages commensurate with the seriousness of the defamation and in accordance with the judgment of the court.'
The defamation was committed in articles published in SDP's newsletter, The New Democrat. Nine of its leaders settled earlier with the Lees, apologising and paying them $170,000 each.
That leaves the SDP and the Chee siblings owing the Lees $610,000 in all. The siblings are bankrupt. If the SDP is unable to pay, the 28-year-old party faces the prospect of being wound up.
The possibility was highlighted as well in HRW's statement. It reported its deputy Asia director Elaine Pearsonas saying: 'Using defamation laws to silence peaceful political speech makes a mockery of Singapore's claim to be a model democracy. Opposition criticism of the Government is an essential ingredient of a democratic political system.'
The group urged the Government to 'lift legal restrictions on freedom of expression to bring the country in line with international law'.
In concluding remarks, the HRW said 'the assault on free speech by Singapore's leaders extends to critical foreign publications circulating in Singapore'.
It mentioned several cases, involving among others, the Far Eastern Economic Review and The Wall Street Journal Asia.
Ms Pearson said: 'The history of defamation in Singapore shows a pattern of making people pay dearly for exercising the basic right of peaceful expression. 'Singapore has nothing to fear from a vocal opposition and its people have everything to gain.'

 

[Tiu-leh-see-fart]

Of course what.
Ask the judges, our courts are not kangaroo.

if the judges say so, then it settles.

This is singapore you know.
In singapore, we PAP comrades, say this, say that, and the rest must echo.

ask my team, divi-one, and others can tell you more.....

This is the short message this report is conveying!

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>Right to criticise 'doesn't cover lies'
</TR><!-- headline one : end --><TR>Govt responds to call by US advocacy group to desist from 'using defamation suits to stifle political opposition' </TR><!-- show image if available --></TBODY></TABLE>




<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->THE Government yesterday gave its position on criticisms levelled against government leaders by opposition politicians, in response to a statement by a New York-based advocacy group, Human Rights Watch (HRW).
The group had called on Singapore's leaders to 'end the practice of using defamation suits to stifle political opposition'. In comments posted on its website yesterday, it highlighted a High Court ruling this week.
<TABLE width=200 align=left valign="top"><TBODY><TR><TD class=padr8><!-- Vodcast --><!-- Background Story --><STYLE type=text/css> #related .quote {background-color:#E7F7FF; padding:8px;margin:0px 0px 5px 0px;} #related .quote .headline {font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:10px;font-weight:bold; border-bottom:3px double #007BFF; color:#036; text-transform:uppercase; padding-bottom:5px;} #related .quote .text {font-size:11px;color:#036;padding:5px 0px;} </STYLE>THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE
'The Chees had every opportunity to justify and prove their allegations in court, but totally failed to do so.'
Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts spokesman K. Bhavani

=> IRRELEVANT thingy?




</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>HRW noted that the court had awarded Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew six-figure sums against the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP), its secretary-general Chee Soon Juan and his sister Chee Siok Chin for defamation.
In reply, the Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts' spokesman noted that in Singapore, opposition politicians have the right to criticise the Government and government leaders.
But, Ms K. Bhavani added, 'that does not entitle them to tell lies or defame'.

=> Throughout the whole process, the Familee is putting words into the mouths of CSJ and co. and then built up a case them. Any real court would have thrown it out. And only the Familee-affiliated court would join in the humtum. The real liar is the Old Fart. Why is the court not prosecuting him for lying in court about IBA's endorsement?

'If they do, the leaders must either sue to clear their names and be prepared to be cross-examined in open court, or allow the lies to stand unchallenged and the public to believe that the defamations are true.
'This is the way to establish the truth, and to keep Singapore's public discourse honest and responsible.''
In reference to the court ruling, Ms Bhavani noted that the Chees and their political party, the SDP, had accused PM Lee and MM Lee of dishonesty, nepotism and corruption, among other things.
They had done it just before a General Election in 2006, she noted in a statement to the media. 'When the two ministers sued, the other members of the SDP central executive committee apologised, but Chee and his sister refused to do so.
'The Chees had every opportunity to justify and prove their allegations in court, but totally failed to do so. Therefore, they have to pay damages commensurate with the seriousness of the defamation and in accordance with the judgment of the court.'
The defamation was committed in articles published in SDP's newsletter, The New Democrat. Nine of its leaders settled earlier with the Lees, apologising and paying them $170,000 each.
That leaves the SDP and the Chee siblings owing the Lees $610,000 in all. The siblings are bankrupt. If the SDP is unable to pay, the 28-year-old party faces the prospect of being wound up.
The possibility was highlighted as well in HRW's statement. It reported its deputy Asia director Elaine Pearsonas saying: 'Using defamation laws to silence peaceful political speech makes a mockery of Singapore's claim to be a model democracy. Opposition criticism of the Government is an essential ingredient of a democratic political system.'
The group urged the Government to 'lift legal restrictions on freedom of expression to bring the country in line with international law'.
In concluding remarks, the HRW said 'the assault on free speech by Singapore's leaders extends to critical foreign publications circulating in Singapore'.
It mentioned several cases, involving among others, the Far Eastern Economic Review and The Wall Street Journal Asia.
Ms Pearson said: 'The history of defamation in Singapore shows a pattern of making people pay dearly for exercising the basic right of peaceful expression. 'Singapore has nothing to fear from a vocal opposition and its people have everything to gain.'

 

[DIVISION1]

Defamation is not a good thing. One should not do that. It is just like forumers here who use vulgarities against others. That is a form of defamation in the real world. If CSJ and other opposition politicians had apologized for a poor choice of words or opinions, the whole issue may not have escalated to where it is now -, such a pitiful situation. CSJ must sometimes think of his children, too. Singaporeans want to build a better country, not destroy the country. Sometimes CSJ's beliefs are just misplaced, though he may not necessarily be a bad man. However, hate and uncontrolled passion can blind a man.

 

[theblackhole]

... However, hate and uncontrolled passion can blind a man.

I agree.But we also need to cultivate tolerance,compassion, magnanimosity and forgiveness...and get rid of vindictiveness and vengence.

 

[DIVISION1]

I agree with you. There is a lot of room for people relations, including the government of Singapore, too. Some headway is now being made. I know some say it could be faster, but it takes time and the overall welfare of Singaporeans should not be compromised.

 

[theblackhole]

It's good to have such reassurance from the horses' mouths ???

 

[Neh_Neh_Pok]

Hahaha.. that Lau Lee is law-trained and he got close connections with the law-pple, they all will sure have to give him some face. Even if he is on the 'wrong' side, these carry-ballers will still side on him

 

[Neh_Neh_Pok]

This is singapore you know.
In singapore, we PAP comrades, say this, say that, and the rest must echo.

ask my team, divi-one, and others can tell you more.....

Of cos la, the Pees misuse their power and act as dictators mah

 

[Einfield]

Singaporeans want to build a better country, not destroy the country.

Yes, and to build, something have to be destroyed first.
It's a painful process but we have no choice, the toxic is already in the veins of the system and the country is dying.

Go for a painful operation now and flush the toxic, she have a chance to survive.

Of risk collapsing at a young age and die without knowing what hit her. Singapore is already 43, she better watch her health.

 

[TedDibiase]

Defamation is not a good thing. One should not do that. It is just like forumers here who use vulgarities against others. That is a form of defamation in the real world. If CSJ and other opposition politicians had apologized for a poor choice of words or opinions, the whole issue may not have escalated to where it is now -, such a pitiful situation. CSJ must sometimes think of his children, too. Singaporeans want to build a better country, not destroy the country. Sometimes CSJ's beliefs are just misplaced, though he may not necessarily be a bad man. However, hate and uncontrolled passion can blind a man.

If you are not what they say u are are you bothered?

MIWs are acting like primary school kids.

Pri Sch kid 1: "Haha Ah Loong why u so sissy?"

Pri Sch kid 2: "I don flen u alwedy... I go tell teacher... sob"

Teacher: "Ah Chee, you have to apologize to Ah Loong, or you will have your sweets confiscated"

Pri Sch kid 1: "Why? He weally so ah kua!"

Teacher: "BECAUSE HIS DAD IS THE PRINCIPAL! NOW APOLOGIZE!"

 

[chinkangkor]

If CSJ and other opposition politicians had apologized for a poor choice of words or opinions, the whole issue may not have escalated to where it is now -, such a pitiful situation.

Why wasn't CSJ given a fair trial for him to defend himself in open court?

 

[chinkangkor]

'The Chees had every opportunity to justify and prove their allegations in court, but totally failed to do so. Therefore, they have to pay damages commensurate with the seriousness of the defamation and in accordance with the judgment of the court.'

Summary judgement was entered against the Chees without an open and fair trial.

 

[makapaaa]

Defamation is not a good thing. One should not do that. It is just like forumers here who use vulgarities against others. That is a form of defamation in the real world. If CSJ and other opposition politicians had apologized for a poor choice of words or opinions, the whole issue may not have escalated to where it is now -, such a pitiful situation. CSJ must sometimes think of his children, too. Singaporeans want to build a better country, not destroy the country. Sometimes CSJ's beliefs are just misplaced, though he may not necessarily be a bad man. However, hate and uncontrolled passion can blind a man.

Those who have been following ur Papaya-style posts would have known by now that u've an integrity problem.

 

[makapaaa]

I agree with you. There is a lot of room for people relations, including the government of Singapore, too. Some headway is now being made. I know some say it could be faster, but it takes time and the overall welfare of Singaporeans should not be compromised.

The difference is that your owners can behave like hooligans and get away with it and then accuse their critics as hooligans and make sure they can't run away from their persecution. In the form of leegalized extortion in their Familee court supported by massive smear campaign by their 154th propaganda machine, after which these critics would be put under cuntry arrest or simply locked away in IMH. Then the likes of clintonxxx, cassyyy, divzzz and myo### would continue to bark in typical useless running dog fashion to try to silence public opinion.

This modern day fascism and leegalized corruption. The oppressed people may be hapless against your owners and their running dogs, but rest be assured that Karma is still faithfully keeping its records and strikes when u least expect it to.

 

[williamsF1]

Of cos la, the Pees misuse their power and act as dictators mah

their logo already explain everything liao. if u're not within our circle, u will kena our lightning strike.

 

[williamsF1]

Yes, and to build, something have to be destroyed first.

correct! if the pillar of a building is not straight, we can't pretend its straight & continue building. one day it will come down like a deck of crumbling cards like hotel new world.

if the pillar is not straight, it has to be rebuilt accordingly.

same thing for production, if the lot of parts is faulty or not up to standard, the particular part needs to be re-fabricated to meet the standards, before can move on to assembly & channeling to the mkt.

 

[myjohnson]

Those who have been following ur Papaya-style posts would have known by now that u've an integrity problem.

Lucky for you I'm not a Pondan like some sneering tree. If not I will report your post for trying to convert forumners here to your master's dark religion,"Papinity'. If you can convert makaapa, then all is lost!