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Now direction Reversed, Putin seeking high tech transfer and help from Xijinping

swine_flu_H1H1

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Russia is now being helped by Chinese to regain long strength in many military areas, which they had previously helped Chinese and now needs favors to be returned. Chinese developed too fast and exceeded Russia & USA in more and more areas, and lead by further and further advantages.



http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-12-26/doc-ifypxrpp4055713.shtml

俄向中国推销高价二手反潜机被拒 如今中国卖俄新机?
俄向中国推销高价二手反潜机被拒 如今中国卖俄新机?

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  上世纪90年代以来,中国海军属于防御型的,强调近海作战,反登陆作战为重点,不仅让装备建造偏重于“飞、潜、快”,更不重视反潜,相关需求小,后来我军意识到反潜作战的不足,开始寻求改善装备。

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伊尔38
  上世纪90年代,我军考察了俄制航空反潜装备,涉及到伊尔-38反潜机、卡-28反潜直升机等。其中的伊尔38,由伊尔18客机为发展而来的反潜巡逻机,与美制P3反潜机类,连气动设计都差不多,性能也相当接近,可以以近600公里的时速,连续巡逻12小时之久,除了各类搜潜设备外,可载弹9吨。

  可惜该机早已停产了,仅生产几十架,只能翻新库存的旧机出售,价格也不便宜,明摆着想宰户。原来大型反潜机为国际市场上的紧缺货,中国除了伊尔38没得选了。

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高新6
  俄罗斯试图向解放军推销高价二手反潜机被拒绝了,我们仅引进卡28,作为现代级驱逐舰的配套系统之一,随后开始自研大型反潜机,即:高新6号,目前已列装中国海军,从而结束了我军无专用固定翼反潜巡逻机的历史!

  该机由运9发展而来,飞行性能接近于运9,与俄制伊尔38、美国P-3C相当。与运9共用生产线,从而大大降低了生产成本,主要加装了各类反潜机系统。

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高新6
  机首下部为一部大型搜索雷达,机尾为一部超大个头的磁异探测仪,机上更有说不明用途的天线,机腹下有弹舱,以及声呐浮标投放口,机翼下武器挂架。巡逻时,以雷达进行大面积搜索,重点为潜艇活动踪影,不管什么潜艇都需要上浮,不进行通气,也需要通信,观察等,磁异探测仪对重点区域进行搜索,一旦发现目标,再投放携带的声呐浮标,进行精确定位,一旦确认目标,即可以发动进攻。也可以引导或配合其它反潜兵力作战。

  据美国媒体称:解放军未来列装超百架高新6反潜机,如果真实现的话,那么我们的航空反潜力量将大增,让日本22艘潜艇无处可藏就不是什么吹牛的话了!

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伊尔38N
  如今随着越来越多的高新6交付,我军的大型反潜机算是解决了,更可喜的未来在国际市场上也有竞争机会,无法买到美制P8国家,选择只有高新6,俄罗斯至今还在使用伊尔38,只能由M型变成N型,把旧机翻新一下就行了!如今,我们以推销全新的高新6新给它--俄罗斯了。(作者署名:麦田军事观察)


http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-12-26/doc-ifypyuvc1648008.shtml

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俄罗斯欲复活世界唯二战机上航母 还要拉上中国合研
2017年12月26日 08:05 新浪军事

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  俄罗斯一直在试图建造新的航空母舰,但是形势不容乐观,不仅财力成问题,技术问题更多,人们怀疑是否能力建造航空母舰,如今连舰载机也成为问题了,现役苏33已到寿,未来将逐步退役,米格29K为刚服役的新机,可惜为俄系四代机,未来为五代机的天下!要考虑下一代舰载机的问题,这涉及到下一代航母的定位问题。

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鹞式为最早的列装型号
  苏57战机上舰也许是不错的主意,但是存在技术问题,它太大太重了。更重要的是,俄罗斯国力大降,是否发展大型航母已成疑问,发展中轻型航母或两栖攻击舰更具价值。

  如此一来,发展一款垂直起降战机,似乎成为一个相当不错的选择。2017年时,俄方相当高调的宣布要研发垂直起降战机,欲复活世界唯二战机技术,没错的,俄罗斯曾经对垂直起降技术进行过深入研究,也是英国之外, 第二个成功研发与列装垂直起降战机的国家,即雅克38。

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俄制的二款垂直起降战机
  那么为何要如此高调那?其实想找中国给个台阶下,或者说,还想要拉上我们,从各方面条件说,俄罗斯具备开发垂直起降战机的条件,但是难度太大,研发成本不便宜。如果装备数量不大的话,更加不合算。最理想的情况,找中国合作。中国也在从事相关研发,在资金方面更宽松一点,但是技术研发的经验不足,中俄合作将有相当大的互补性。

  那么论到搞垂直起降战机哪家强?也许有人说美国,其实俄罗斯也不差的。俄以前推出过一款为雅克141的垂直起降战机,可惜仅处于原型机状态,其研发技术资料后来被美国买走,应用于F35B的研发中。

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雅克141
  也许中俄联合搞一款短距起降型战机,不一定非要垂直起降,只是适应较小的甲板条件,以滑跃式甲板飞机,再能进行短距着陆。

  以美军的实际使用经验来说,垂直起飞的价值不高,主要是垂直起飞时,必然限制重量,要么少带弹药,要么少载燃油,如果换为短距起飞可放宽对起飞重量的限制,如果能采用弹射器,那就更理想了。至于着舰,美军认为垂直降落为更为理想,可以临时在其它战舰进行紧急着陆。

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F35B
  俄罗斯为航空大国,技术理论上问题不大,但是难度依然非常大,只有中俄合作,即可以加快速,又有效的降低技术风险,也可以降低成本,也许唯一的问题,我们是否真的有兴趣那?(作者署名:军事天地)
 

Reddog

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Hope Mr. Putin can help motherland China to establish factories to mass produce S500. That way, the US Air Force will be made redundant. Imagine if Chinese production capacity is further diverted to mass produce missiles for export. .....
 

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Hope Mr. Putin can help motherland China to establish factories to mass produce S500. That way, the US Air Force will be made redundant. Imagine if Chinese production capacity is further diverted to mass produce missiles for export. .....

Chinese radar and missile capabilities are now not below the Russian level of technology.

Chinese had yet completely integrated a full mobile land deployable system like the Russian S-500 however. PLA have their good radars on warships and AWAC & drones. Shooting missiles are the HQ & HHQ 红旗, 海红旗 family of missiles, and the largest longest range version is capable of striking ICBM & satellites thousands of miles away, and needs 10X10 TEL truck like the DF-25 to carry it, however I doubt they need to really deploy it as a mobile launched missile as a few fix bases in strong defensed fortifications alike underground Great Wall is sufficient to cover whole Chinese land mass. To cover the opposite side of globe 180 deg longitude off China, they must launch from 094 095 096 types nuke subs vertically from the 巨浪 (JL) launching tubes from Atlantic.

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DF-25 TEL 10X10 truck to illustrate a long range anti-missile anti-air missile capable of thousands of miles (suspect HQ-409 be typical)

Largest launched missile from Russian S-500 is about the same size and range. S-400 S-500 are well organized as completely integrated system product completed with mobile launchers radars etc. The top PLA system is not presented that way and not introduced as a product, it is a rapidly developing and changing system for own use. The system FD-2000 is about HQ-9 or between S-300 S-400 tier product. Not up to S-500 tier. Russian S-500 also is a kind of still improving / developing and self-use only system. ABNN India want to buy from Putin, but how can Putin trust SBNN snakes? The bastard Ah Neh rented Putin's nuke subs and let American spies go on board to inspect the secrets!
 
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