non-Linux but Ubuntu! under the Sun!

[uncleyap]

Under the sun? Yes Solaris from Sun Micro System. :p

I stumbled upon it, and I am glad to have found it. Sun's Open-Solaris Kernel, and Ubuntu's code base. A new combination, a new non-Linux recipe because Solaris isn't Linux kernel & you won't even find /sys inside. It is a bit closer to BSD the rather. It is more stable than Linux.

Since it is from Sun I think all the Sun's babies will go well with it e.g. MYSQL & JAVA.

Nexenta took Sun's Open Solaris kernel & combined with Ubuntu's code to come out this new monster. I downloaded and tried it yesterday, it runs the Ubuntu's dpkg & apt-get commands. So it should be able to install the countless Ubuntu / Kubuntu pakages. And yet it should be able to do well with Sun's products because Solaris features are also inside.

See:

http://distrowatch.com/nexenta

istribution Nexenta OS Home Page http://www.nexenta.org/ Mailing Lists http://www.nexenta.org/os/Community User Forums http://www.nexenta.com/forum Documentation http://www.nexenta.org/os/Documentation Screenshots The Coding Studio Download Mirrors http://www.nexenta.org/os/DownloadMirrors Bug Tracker https://launchpad.net/nexenta

 

[uncleyap]

http://www.nexenta.com/corp/index.p...hk=286dfef6e33505af7e5652bd75d43e63&no_html=1

A vmware appliance (virtual machine) can be downloaded from:

http://www.nexenta.com/corp/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=77&func=startdown&id=8

 

[fishbuff]

if it is not certified to run with oracle, then i wont use it.

 

[kansas]

Solaris has been in existence for a long time.

Yes, a good alternative to Windows.

But can Solaris run MS Office Word, Excel, Powerpoint?

 

[uncleyap]

Solaris has been in existence for a long time.

Yes, a good alternative to Windows.

But can Solaris run MS Office Word, Excel, Powerpoint?

Can run Open Office for sure . There are so many platforms on which Open Office can run.

http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US

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[uncleyap]

Before the existence of OpenSolaris I had previously test Solaris10. I felt it a bit sluggish. OpenSolaris is a bit better now. It is available in bootable CDROM ISO images. Including Live-CD.

http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/

They will even ship you a free disc, FOC under the sun!

http://opensolaris.org/os/TryOpenSolaris/

I doubt Oracle would really go out to certify so many OS to give themselves liabilities without gains. But interested users can evaluate for themselves.

:-)

 

[SamuelStalin]

Under the sun? Yes Solaris from Sun Micro System. :p

I stumbled upon it, and I am glad to have found it. Sun's Open-Solaris Kernel, and Ubuntu's code base. A new combination, a new non-Linux recipe because Solaris isn't Linux kernel & you won't even find /sys inside. It is a bit closer to BSD the rather. It is more stable than Linux.

Since it is from Sun I think all the Sun's babies will go well with it e.g. MYSQL & JAVA.

Nexenta took Sun's Open Solaris kernel & combined with Ubuntu's code to come out this new monster. I downloaded and tried it yesterday, it runs the Ubuntu's dpkg & apt-get commands. So it should be able to install the countless Ubuntu / Kubuntu pakages. And yet it should be able to do well with Sun's products because Solaris features are also inside.

See:

http://distrowatch.com/nexenta

istribution Nexenta OS Home Page http://www.nexenta.org/ Mailing Lists http://www.nexenta.org/os/Community User Forums http://www.nexenta.com/forum Documentation http://www.nexenta.org/os/Documentation Screenshots The Coding Studio Download Mirrors http://www.nexenta.org/os/DownloadMirrors Bug Tracker https://launchpad.net/nexenta

Hmm, interesting.

 

[johnny333]

I doubt Oracle would really go out to certify so many OS to give themselves liabilities without gains. But interested users can evaluate for themselves.

:-)

With alot of UNIX OS out there: SUSE, red hat,..., why even bother with with a less popular variant

 

[uncleyap]

With alot of UNIX OS out there: SUSE, red hat,..., why even bother with with a less popular variant

As MS gets towards the history, there are TOO MANY CHOICES.

Strictly speaking Linux is now a stream by itself quite apart from old Unix.

The SCO-unix and SGI's Irix & HP-UX & IBM's Zenix etc were the traditional Unix.

Linux is a very big collection of distributions, those you said SuSE & Red Hat are under this Linux stream.

There are other Streams like BSDs, e.g. netbsd freebsd etc.

Solaris after sun opened it to become OpenSolaris will become it's own steam.

There are many developments going on and there are lots of alternatives and choices to fit different needs.

Google now also want to join the game and produce their own. It will soon become a browser and handphone stream under Google.

Possibilities are endless here, but only MS is ending in it's own deadend.

The simplest lession learned from MS is this: Popular is quite apart from Good. In fact quite the opposite - most popular one are the worst, and the best is rarely known and quite unpopular.

Users love to think that they are smart. But the unaccpetable truth is they are mostly lazy; dumb; poorly skilled & poorly informed; they are mostly also stuborn and insist to reject change to a better OS. They are usually fearful towards unfamiliar OS and more interesting things is they are used to MS's pains and troubles, they are so used to these craps they forgot and neglected the most serious PC problems. You ask many of them they said "I used this for many years NO PROBLEMS why ask me to change?" But when they are in deepshit, they will ask you to ASAP get them out, without listening to better alternatives. Once out of their deepshit they will forget what happened and immediately they will answer the same question by saying "I used this for many years NO PROBLEMS why ask me to change?"

Similarly, they will be saying the same about the PAp, "I had voted them for so many years - NO PROBLEMS, why ask me to change?" they will forget that they were in deepshit and were hopelessly made suckers.

PC users and SG voters = same same.. :p Very smart! In their ass!

 

[johnny333]

PC users and SG voters = same same.. :p Very smart! In their ass!

Have to disagree that PC users are like SG voters

There is more choice open for PC users than to the SG voters

As an end user I use 2 diiferent OS's: Apple & Win. UNIX & its variants are niche products & limited to network administrators or DBA.

 

[uncleyap]

Have to disagree that PC users are like SG voters

There is more choice open for PC users than to the SG voters

As an end user I use 2 diiferent OS's: Apple & Win. UNIX & its variants are niche products & limited to network administrators or DBA.

Certainly in SG, there is often no choice for voters aka WALKOVER.

But don't forget that MS also WALKOVER in the desktop & laptop market aka bundled sales. You get a laptop you found MS walked-over inside already. :p

Entire Internet is mainly made of Linux not Unix nor MS. There are online robots doing the statistical scans including nmap :

Starting Nmap 4.76 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2009-08-01 16:42 SGT
Initiating Parallel DNS resolution of 1 host. at 16:42
Completed Parallel DNS resolution of 1 host. at 16:42, 0.03s elapsed
Initiating SYN Stealth Scan at 16:42
Scanning 124.197.117.205 [1000 ports]
Discovered open port 80/tcp on 124.197.117.205
Completed SYN Stealth Scan at 16:42, 5.34s elapsed (1000 total ports)
Initiating Service scan at 16:42
Scanning 1 service on 124.197.117.205
Completed Service scan at 23:38, 6850511.33s elapsed (1 service on 1 host)
Initiating OS detection (try #1) against 124.197.117.205
Retrying OS detection (try #2) against 124.197.117.205
Initiating Traceroute at 23:38
124.197.117.205: no reply to our hop distance probe!
Completed Traceroute at 23:38, 30.07s elapsed
SCRIPT ENGINE: Initiating script scanning.
SCRIPT ENGINE: '/usr/share/nmap/scripts/dns-test-open-recursion.nse' threw a run time error and could not be loaded.
SCRIPT ENGINE: '/usr/share/nmap/scripts/skype_v2-version.nse' threw a run time error and could not be loaded.
SCRIPT ENGINE: error while initializing script rules:
/usr/share/nmap/scripts/script.db:20: rpcinfo.nse is not a file!
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'Entry'
/usr/share/nmap/scripts/script.db:20: in main chunk
[C]: ?
[C]: ?

SCRIPT ENGINE: Aborting script scan.
Host 124.197.117.205 appears to be up ... good.
Interesting ports on 124.197.117.205:
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
80/tcp open http?
Warning: OSScan results may be unreliable because we could not find at least 1 open and 1 closed port
No OS matches for host

TRACEROUTE (using port 80/tcp)
HOP RTT ADDRESS
! maximum TTL reached (50)

Read data files from: /usr/share/nmap
OS and Service detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://nmap.org/submit/ .
Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in -1739378.31 seconds
Raw packets sent: 2156 (100.880KB) | Rcvd: 29 (1740B)

MS is only a tiny portion of the whole Internet infrastructure. BSD & Solaris are still quite common. For those who purchase Sun Micros' server it is mostly running Solaris.

So Linux is not just for niche users.

I had introduced it to many novice.

With virtual machine, I can actually run Linux and after it boots up Linux automatically popup a MS windows desktop with or without asking you to login. This MS will be only a virtual machine, meaning it cannot die, cannot get virus infested because I revert to the same good snapshot every time. Also this means it does not need to install any anti-virus and slow down by scanning. Best is that it will never need to be shutdown nor bootup nor restart. Just only power On/Off, it always resume to a good working state like from suspend, except that the resume point is a VM snapshot.

This is for users who are still too afraid to learn and face Linux. This way will still make 99.9% of MS problems vanished & system is robust.

 

[johnny333]

But don't forget that MS also WALKOVER in the desktop & laptop market aka bundled sales. You get a laptop you found MS walked-over inside already. :p

Whenever I need a PC, I assemble my own DIY unit. I get better quality control that way.

Got the Win OS cheap from Sim Lim.

The Apple OS comes free when you buy the HW. Yes you do have to pay a premium for an Apple products but you get a better user experience.

The majority of users will never bother to learn UNIX or linux even though its free. I got a copy of SUSE with manuals & CD but never had the time to to give it a test run. It's so much easier to just use off the shelf

 

[uncleyap]

Whenever I need a PC, I assemble my own DIY unit. I get better quality control that way.

Got the Win OS cheap from Sim Lim.

The Apple OS comes free when you buy the HW. Yes you do have to pay a premium for an Apple products but you get a better user experience.

The majority of users will never bother to learn UNIX or linux even though its free. I got a copy of SUSE with manuals & CD but never had the time to to give it a test run. It's so much easier to just use off the shelf

Apple hardware reduced very much in price, I found it very reasonable already. I used to work at Computerland @ Clifford Center in early 1980s, was selling original Mac & IBM. Very expensive those days, only PineApples & Clone IBMs were affordable. Today's Mac/Apple good and not so costly not really a premium price any more.

Any Linux can not be kept for future evaluation, in every few months they are obsoleted! Because Linux develop & advance very rapidly unlike MS. New releases and distributions pops up everywhere everyday. They update and improve so fast that's why MS is lacking SO FAR BEHIND, will NEVER CATCH UP.

It is not just one company developing Linux but thousands of companies. Not just one team of developers but hundreds of thousands of teams. Because of Open Source, anyone at anywhere @ any time can become a developer of Linux. Anyone with skill and experience can contribute to improving Open Source OS & packages.

MS is just one single company following one single policy, no matter how big nor rich they are. Can NEVER CATCH UP with Open Source EVER because Open Source actually means THE ENTIRE WORLD.

MS buried their buggy source code within their labs, they also buried themselves this way. They crawl but Open Source flies.

 

[johnny333]

Apple hardware reduced very much in price, I found it very reasonable already. I used to work at Computerland @ Clifford Center in early 1980s, was selling original Mac & IBM. Very expensive those days, only PineApples & Clone IBMs were affordable. Today's Mac/Apple good and not so costly not really a premium price any more.
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I remember Computer@Clifford Centre, didn't go into that store because computers were sooo expensive. Even when the cheaper TRS-80 was introduced by OG Dept it was just too expensive.

Nowadays a computer is like any household appliance. Don't even have to be very knowledgeable to run. With so much power I don't even feel the need to update my HW or SW

 

[Whats4]

Users love to think that they are smart. But the unaccpetable truth is they are mostly lazy; dumb; poorly skilled & poorly informed; they are mostly also stuborn and insist to reject change to a better OS. They are usually fearful towards unfamiliar OS and more interesting things is they are used to MS's pains and troubles, they are so used to these craps they forgot and neglected the most serious PC problems. You ask many of them they said "I used this for many years NO PROBLEMS why ask me to change?" But when they are in deepshit, they will ask you to ASAP get them out, without listening to better alternatives. Once out of their deepshit they will forget what happened and immediately they will answer the same question by saying "I used this for many years NO PROBLEMS why ask me to change?"

above statement is said by a typical linux moron who think their os is still the best. y they can't let others decide what they need and suit them best. these morons insist that others must change and use their os. if not they are just simply label as stupid.

are they expecting everyone to be a tech genius? have they ever ask y ppl are not switching over to linux even if it is free? have they ever offer to help people switch over?

a moron is always a moron, typical pap mentality who think they are still the best.