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No direct link between fares and oil prices

metalslug

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http://www.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20090326-131263.html

Thu, Mar 26, 2009
The Straits Times

No direct link between fares and oil prices

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TRANSPORT Minister Raymond Lim explained on Monday why public transport fares do not rise and fall as much as the price of oil.

This is because the changes in fares are based on a formula that is pegged to the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and the Wage Index of the year before.

And the impact of oil prices on fares is only through the CPI component. As the link is indirect, he said, 'fares will not drop as much when there is a dramatic drop in oil prices'.

'But equally, when oil prices shoot up, fares will also not shoot up as much either.'

Hence, when diesel prices shot up 40 per cent last year, it translated into an allowable fare increase of 3 per cent.

However, the Public Transport Council (PTC), the approving body for any change in public transport fares, made the operators bear more of the cost, resulting in fares going up by only 0.7 per cent last October, said Mr Lim.

He was replying to Madam Cynthia Phua (Aljunied GRC), who had asked why the fare revision was not in line with the drop in oil prices.

Mr Lim also said that the indirect link ultimately protects commuters. The PTC formula incentivises the operators to be efficient and moderates the effect of drastic changes in oil prices on fares, he said.

Madam Phua also asked whether the PTC would be more transparent in explaining its revisions.

Replying, Mr Lim said indicators such as the CPI and the Wage Index were in the public domain.

The recent decision by the transport operators to reduce fares and pass on their savings to commuters was outside the yearly fare review.

SBS Transit and SMRT decided on an overall 4.6 per cent fare cut despite the formula allowing a hike of up to 5 per cent, or six to seven cents, said Mr Lim.

From April 1, the overall reduction for each journey will range from two to 14 cents. For journeys involving more than one transfer, the reduction will be 26 or 38 cents.
 

metalslug

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http://www.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20090326-131282.html

Thu, Mar 26, 2009
The Straits Times

Does transport formula allow for fares to drop?

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>Head of the Government Parliamentary Committee for Transport Cedric Foo (left): Is it correct that the price of fuel affects the operating cost of the public transport operators? And is it also correct that the second order consideration for the Public Transport Council (PTC) after having applied the formula, which the Minister described, is to test the proposed increase against the return that the public transport operators are experiencing and, therefore, make adjustments in accordance to that?

Transport Minister Raymond Lim (right): The member is correct. If you look at the fare review mechanism, it actually spells out when you can deviate and what are the factors you take into account. And the return on total assets (Rota) is one of the reality checks that you'd have to take into account.

Mr Foo: Does this not mean that fuel price has an impact on fare adjustment?

Mr Lim: In so far as it impacts the Consumer Price Index (CPI), in so far as it impacts the Rota, yes, but indirectly...

Mr Foo: The Minister describes the CPI and the Wage Index (WI), the average of wages, and then there's a productivity extraction which basically form the basis of the formula. If the WI and the CPI were to drop because of a sustained or prolonged economic downturn, would fares be decreased?

Mr Lim: It's very useful to read the fare review mechanism. It's on the (PTC) website. You will find it specifies that if it is a negative, that means what you're saying is that if both fall, does the PTC have the powers to order next year...a fare reduction? The answer is yes. It's part and parcel of the whole fare review framework.
 

2lanu

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It's just dun make sense even with CPI + oil price in the equation. 2007 is a good year as what we all know. Transport cost should be at $x, now 2009 is the worst year ever in SG history, why does transport price not fall below price of 2007?

Knn, try to con again...
 

commoner

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transport cost no direct link to oil
jobless no direct link to unemployment
whore jinx resignation no direct link to the loss of $58bil
WKS no direct link to MSK escape
Performance no direct link to Singapore's ministoots high pay
Bad economy no direct link to Government performace
 

halsey02

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transport cost no direct link to oil
jobless no direct link to unemployment
whore jinx resignation no direct link to the loss of $58bil
WKS no direct link to MSK escape
Performance no direct link to Singapore's ministoots high pay
Bad economy no direct link to Government performace

But our wallets are directly linked to CPF, GST, MDA, HDB..etc..by GIRO, what to do?:mad:

psst MSk is phantom...:rolleyes:
 

R4g3

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As title says, if you wish to F Raymond Lim for his irresponsible out of the mouth comments, there must be evidence before we start F-ing them.

So for a start, I went to SMRT website and read through their various press releases.

http://www.smrt.com.sg/news/News.asp?N_YYear=2008

http://www.smrt.com.sg/SMRT APPLIES FOR FARE ADJUSTMENT.pdf

On the 1st August 2008, SMRT has submitted its application for fare adjustment to the Public Transport Council (PTC).

Under this application, there were various reasons.
Please read PDF pt 4, pt 5

4. Even a maximum fare adjustment will not fully mitigate cost increases due to an inflationary and higher operating cost environment. For FY2008, SMRT’s energy cost increased 18% to $89.7 million due mainly to higher electricity and diesel prices. Of the $89.7 million, electricity cost accounted for $47.5 million, an increase of 19% compared to FY2007. Diesel costs for bus operations amounted to $42.2 million, 17% higher than last financial year. Besides higher electricity and diesel costs, SMRT fully absorbed the increase in GST by two percentage points.

5. Given the pressure on costs for fuel, the operating environment continues to be challenging. Crude oil prices increased 62% to US$125 per barrel from a year ago. As a result of the sharp hike in diesel prices, bus operations posted losses of $3.3 million in the first quarter of FY2009. In addition, prices of electricity which is used in our train operations, has gone up. The current contracted electricity rate is up almost 15% compared to the previous contract which ended on 31 March 2008.

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Pt 4, 5 were two of the few reasons as to why SMRT submitted their applications for fare increase or fare adjustment they call it.

So Raymond Lim is rather clueless when he made those comments. I think maybe he didn't read carefully SMRT's reasons for fare increases, that is why he didn't know what to comment. :biggrin:

an old post from silver fox.
http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?t=12921&highlight=transport+fare+hike
 

newyorker88

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another one.

http://sgtransport.blogspot.com/2007/03/three-months-of-cheaper-bus-and-train.html

"In the past two years, the operators cited higher oil prices as the main justification for a fare rise. "

so who the hell is this liar? or he doesn't even know his stuff? only draws millions dollar of people's money?

What the fuck? Use all sorts of reason to support price rise? When oil goes up
says oil is he factor. Now oil drops, use some stupid formula to justify?

Paid millions to talk cock? Anyone can do that too.
 
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