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Serious M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob pls

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[h=1]Malaysia will defend maritime borders while maintaining good ties with Singapore, says its deputy foreign minister[/h]
KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysia's deputy foreign minister said the country will defend its maritime borders and sovereignty if newly discovered historical facts prove that Pulau Batu Puteh belongs to Malaysia.



The island, some 40km east of Singapore at the eastern entrance of the Singapore Strait, is known as Pedra Branca in Singapore. Britain, and later Singapore, has maintained control over the island since the 1850s.


The Star Online quoted Datuk Seri Reezal Merican Naina Merican as saying on Sunday (Feb 5) that while the Malaysian government would continue to foster good ties with Singapore, it would also explore the possibilities of gaining sovereignty over the island.


"In 2008, when the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague gave the island to Singapore, it did not tarnish our relationship," he said. "Trade between Malaysia and Singapore has even increased."
Meantime, a retired top admiral said he's confident that Malaysia has a strong case to apply for a revision of the ICJ judgment, the New Straits Times reported.


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[h=4]Malaysian Chinese Association backs govt's move to reclaim Pedra Branca: Party chief Liow[/h]


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[h=4]KL cites declassified UK files in bid to revise judgment[/h]


Rear-Admiral (Rtd) Tan Sri K. Thanabalasingam, who played a prominent role in the Malaysian team which argued its case at The Hague in 2008, believed there is fresh, compelling evidence to support Malaysia's call for a review or Attorney-General Tan Sri Mohamed Apandi Ali would not have applied for the revision.
"I believe he is armed with some strong, sufficient and substantial (evidence) that is relevant to initiate the revision, based on new facts from declassified documents released by the British government," he was quoted as saying.


But Mr Thanabalasingam told the newspaper that time is essential in determining if Malaysia's case warrants a hearing.

"It may become a problem if (it turns out that the) documents were declassified much earlier, and we only found out about its contents recently.

"We (could still) apply, but the ICJ will entertain us only if the new evidence is very pertinent for a revision and not any little points to be considered.


"The new evidence must be serious enough to affect the outcome of the earlier decision," he said.

The ICJ found on May 23, 2008, that sovereignty over Pulau Batu Puteh or Pedra Branca belongs to Singapore, sovereignty over Middle Rocks belongs to Malaysia and sovereignty over South Ledge belongs to the state in the territorial waters of which it is located.


A key consideration in its decision was a letter dated Sept 21, 1953, in which Johor's top official informed the British authorities in Singapore that "the Johor government does not claim ownership of Pedra Branca".


The court said in its 2008 ruling that it considered this correspondence and its interpretation of central importance for determining the understanding of both parties about sovereignty over the island. It found that Johor's reply showed that "as of 1953, Johor understood that it did not have sovereignty over Pedra Branca".

But last Friday, Malaysia's attorney-general said in a statement that the country had filed an application to revise the ICJ's judgment over the three islands.


The ICJ said in a press statement on Friday that Malaysia cited three documents declassified by Britain to support its application for a revision. They are: Internal correspondence of Singapore colonial authorities in 1958, an incident report filed in 1958 by a British naval officer and an annotated map of naval operations from the 1960s.

These items were discovered in the UK National Archives between Aug 4, 2016 and Jan 30, 2017.


"Malaysia claims that these documents establish the new fact that 'officials at the highest levels in the British colonial and Singaporean administration appreciated that Pedra Branca/Pulau Batu Puteh did not form part of Singapore's sovereign territory' during the relevant period," the ICJ said.

"Malaysia argues 'that the court would have been bound to reach a different conclusion on the question of sovereignty over Pedra Branca/Pulau Batu Puteh had it been aware of this new evidence'."

Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said: "Singapore is studying Malaysia's application and documentation closely and has formed its legal team to respond to Malaysia's application".
The team includes Attorney-General Lucien Wong, Professor S. Jayakumar, Professor Tommy Koh and former chief justice Chan Sek Keong.
 

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Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said: "Singapore is studying Malaysia's application and documentation closely and has formed its legal team to respond to Malaysia's application".
The team includes Attorney-General Lucien Wong, Professor S. Jayakumar, Professor Tommy Koh and former chief justice Chan Sek Keong.


should be good new stuff otherwise some district judge should suffice...if not then msia should pay damages for time wasting...otherwise give back to caesar what belongs to caesar, and one should not covet thy neighbour's land :smile:
 

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maybe we can lease the island from mudlaya for $$$?trick them into signing a 100 year lease like the water agreement.
 

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ya...anyway 100 years for water agreement is a bit long...no wonder m&ds dun make good bizmen...or is it the angmohs doing?
 

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M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

elections in 2017.... GE; PE.... another wayang to watch...
 

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This one might be tricky. If there is anything after 1953 from the Brits and Johor thats favours the Malaysians we have to give it up. The Island is so much closer to Johor and Bintan and so far away from Singapore that proximity is never going to be in our favour. The last ICJ was not based on proximity but on Malaysian documents disclaiming sovereignty. It does not matter if we maintained it all these years. Thats how we lost Middle Rocks.
 

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I've a few more cycles before i MR, the last thing i want to do is to be shot by mats over a small crop of rock in the middle of fucking nowhere.
 

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I've a few more cycles before i MR, the last thing i want to do is to be shot by mats over a small crop of rock in the middle of fucking nowhere.

coward should be shot doubled.
 

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Re: M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

We will slaughter the m&d military and take their women as our sex slaves if they dare to infringe on zikapore's sovereignty! Let's relaim more land around pedra branca and install some missile defence systems!
 

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Re: M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

These Matlaysian ministers are 10 times smarter then the PAP Minister. this Matlaysian minister on one hand say they will defend their maritime borders. which means that they will have to use force, there is no other way to defend your territory. But in the same breathe, he says they want to maintain good ties with zikapore. well, these 2 are incompatible goals. basically, its a veiled threat. Meaning that if the ICJ rules in matlaysia's favour for the new evidence, then zikapore will face military action if they don't fuck off from the island.There is no other way to read this message.
 

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Re: M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

We will slaughter the m&d military and take their women as our sex slaves if they dare to infringe on zikapore's sovereignty! Let's relaim more land around pedra branca and install some missile defence systems!


yes, its a good test
for our scholar generals. They can now put all their studies into practice.
 

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Everywhere this bastard British colonized end up with same disputes left over for countries to fight.

Such a despicable race on this earth. They need a nuke gift to settle old scores w many countries they mad poor to enrich themselves. Shared of Common wealth my arse as there isn't one.
 

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Re: M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

ya...anyway 100 years for water agreement is a bit long...no wonder m&ds dun make good bizmen...or is it the angmohs doing?

We should give it back to them for a new water treaty for 100 years. Even if we pay 100 times the 3 sen per 1000 gallons that we were paying, we would save billions $ on newater sai chwee and desalination.
 

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Re: M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

Everywhere this bastard British colonized end up with same disputes left over for countries to fight.

Such a despicable race on this earth. They need a nuke gift to settle old scores w many countries they mad poor to enrich themselves. Shared of Common wealth my arse as there isn't one.

the worse thing they did to us was to give Old Fart a cambridge education.
 

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What is so tricky...with fighting over some pieces of rocks... ?
 

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If we hold on to the rock and even with oil underneath, will petrol tax go down? Otherwise dont waste my time.

Just send one clown to show face...
John Rambo Tan
 

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Re: M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

why obey the ICJ's ruling ? just tell them go fly kite now lah.
 

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Re: M'sia Minister, we will go to war with Zikapore to defend Pedra Blanca, open mob

why obey the ICJ's ruling ? just tell them go fly kite now lah.

I agree, the PAP should play like the PRC in South China Sea. ICJ is not binding anyway. If it was, China will be dismantling all its SOuth China Seas fake man made islands and vacating the premises. If zikapore don't want to give it up, what can the Malaysians do? Park one Leo 2 there, and provide air cover from Tengah and then see how the Malaysians will take it back.
 

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ya...anyway 100 years for water agreement is a bit long...no wonder m&ds dun make good bizmen...or is it the angmohs doing?

m&ds like TAR are actually quite nice people ... so it is quite possible that they signed that water deal even though it was lopsided because they were just nice. Those that came after like Mahathir is a different kind ...more Chinese like in dealings.
 

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If we hold on to the rock and even with oil underneath, will petrol tax go down? Otherwise dont waste my time.

Just send one clown to show face...
John Rambo Tan

We want to be as close to Mudland as possible so that we can eavesdrop lah.
 
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