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MPs Phua and Lim H. H have 17 yr old boy arrested. I am so sad when I read this.

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Cynthia Phua and Lim Hwee Hua must be the poster persons for cold unsympathetic PAP politicians. The whole heroine in this sad episode is the boy's mother. Here, you have a single mother, raising a son with a serious medical condition, and on a Pri. 6 education. Earns $400 a month, and gets another $300 from the boy's father in maintenance support. I can't even imagine how hard it is to get by on just $700 a month, supporting one child who is unable to support the household financially. But its even worse as the father stopped the $300 in 2004 and she has been surviving on $400 and whatever financial aid she can get. Of course, this can only go on for so long, and now their flat is being repossessed by the HDB.

Before people start saying that its all the mother's fault for not getting a better education and a higher paying job, etc. I just want to tell you that these people exists, and lots of them. Many are hard working decent people, and not the lazy, unmotivated public leeches that the PAP and other naysayers make them out to be. For whatever reasons (be it job loss or retrenchment, divorce, etc.), they find themselves in the dire straits that they are in. Therefore, I do not pass judgement on this mother's pass history and I want to just look at the facts as can be determined here.

How galling and humiliating it is go cap in hand to a rich politician like Cynthia Phua and ask for a little bit of money every month. This PAP GRC office does not even has an open door policy where people can just drop in and ask for help. They have a monthly MPS where peasants can line up like beggars asking alms from a prince. I was not present at this meeting, but I can guess what happened. Phua, acting like empress dowager on a power trip starts interogating the mother and son. Hence an already humilating experience is made worse by the insensitive grilling. There are many ways to ask a person questions and get the same answer. Phua said "'I had to ask some pointed questions about his employment status to understand the root cause of the problem, so that I can be more effective in helping them.'". No you don't. U can ask questions, but they do not have to be pointed. And in fact, since ur grassroot volunteers already know this case, u don't even have to ask them any questions. Just get a quick briefing from the grassroot volunteer. Imagine how impressed this mother would have been went she walks into the office and an MP that she normally does not see, knows her fiel already. Regarding asking the questions, How u ask it, your tone of voice, your attitude, your body language is all the difference. For an expensive MP like her not to have basic people's skill like this is pathetic. The problem with people in power like her who have authority over largesse is they think everyone coming to see them are either skivvers or scammers.

For crying out loud, all the mother wanted was just an appeal letter signed. Phua did not have to make it into the Spanish Inquisition. The boy, seeing the mother humiliated this way, in part due to his inability to hold a job down, picks up a chair and does not slam it on the head of Phua, but slams it into a glass door on his way out. To me, its an understandable reaction, not an approved one. If Phua and Lim Hwee Hua had any empathy, they should have just accepted the apology letter, and left it at that. Instead, they have the police arrest this kid. And he can now be fined or jailed. For god's sake, they cannot even afford a $168 deposit on a rental flat, how do they even pay the fine. So, it will be jail term for the boy. I can't believe it when Lim says that its out of her hands and the police are investigating. Are u kidding me? If she told the police to drop the case and that her office will not pursue charges, u telling me they will not do so. I think Mr. Poon can also take a course in what is eminent danger and what is not.

This shows how much is the level of disconnect the PAP has with the people. People talk about wealth gap, well everytime u walk into your MPs office, there is a wealth gap. If Phua and Lim cannot even put themselves for 1 second in the shoes of this women and her son, how can these 2 clowns purport to represent their constituents. I would suggest that an oppo party track these people down, verify their financial status and the son's medical condition, and start a fund or help them in some other way. This will really show up the PAP.


>> ASIAONE / NEWS / THE NEW PAPER / STORY


Fri, May 08, 2009
The New Paper




Teen arrested for violence at MP's office

[PROBLEMS: The mother (R) hasn't worked since she broke her wrist after falling while cleaning a fan. Her son (C) suffers from thalassemia, a blood disorder that leaves him weak and sickly. ]

By Ng Tze Yong


A YOUTH with low IQ has been arrested by police after flying into a rage at a Meet-the-People Session (MPS), upset at what he felt was his MP's cold-shoulder treatment of his mother's financial plight.


The 17-year-old boy hoisted an aluminium foldable chair over his head and slammed it against a glass door seconds after walking out of MP Cynthia Phua's Serangoon North office with his mother.

The boy, who has been released on bail, has been told to report back to the police on 12 May, where he may be charged with committing a rash act.

The offence carries a jail term of up to six months and a fine of up to $2,500.

The youth cannot be named because of impending court proceedings.

This is the third incident in recent months involving MPs and their constituents.

The boy and his mother, 53, are familiar faces to the grassroots volunteers at the MPS.

The unwed mother with Primary 6 education gets by on a $400 monthly salary as a part-time cleaner.

He attended a special school and suffers from thalassemia, a blood disorder that renders him weak and sickly.

The mother said that things went from bad to worse in November 2004 when the boy's father disappeared and stopped paying the $300 monthly maintenance due to her.

As a result, she visited the MPS about once a month for the past few years to request for various kinds of financial aid.




FORGIVE ME: Two days ago, the mother returned to the MPS alone
and with a handwritten letter of apology from her son.
January this year saw a crisis unfold in their lives, when the mother broke her wrist after falling off a chair while cleaning a fan. She hasn't worked since.

She said the HDB was then in the middle of repossessing her flat and giving her a rental unit, but she was unable to pay the $138 in rental deposit and stamp duty.

So last Monday, she went to the office at Block 125, Serangoon North Ave 1, where MP Lim Hwee Hua holds her MPS, hoping to have her sign an appeal letter for HDB.

But that day, Mrs Lim, who is also a minister in the Prime Minister's Office, was abroad. Fellow Aljunied GRC MP Cynthia Phua stood in for her.

The mother's request was granted - Madam Phua signed the letter - but mother and son left fuming, claiming that Madam Phua had put them down.

She claimed that shortly after they had entered the office, Madam Phua asked her son a series of questions:

'She asked him, 'Who are you? What are you doing? Why aren't you working?' she claimed.

The mother said she wanted to explain her son's condition, but wasn't given a chance.

'I felt like we were being scolded,' she said.

The meeting ended after two or three minutes, she said.

As they were walking out, the son snapped.

His outburst with the chair - two blows against the glass door, which didn't break - was 'strong enough to get someone killed', said the Serangoon PAP branch secretary, Mr Poon Mun Wai.

As grassroots volunteers scrambled to calm down the teenager, his mother begged a neighbour to whisk him home immediately.

Later that night, the police arrived at their flat and arrested him. He was released on bail at about 1am.

When contacted, Madam Phua contradicted the mother's version of events, saying she felt that their conversation 'went well'.

She said: 'Like any normal case at MPS, I have to try to understand the case first of all...

'I had to ask some pointed questions about his employment status to understand the root cause of the problem, so that I can be more effective in helping them.'

During the one week after the incident, the mother pondered what to do.

She got her son to shave off his shoulder-length orange-dyed hair to get rid of bad luck.

For days, she said, he couldn't find the courage to face himself in the mirror. He also decided to put on hold a long-time dream to audition for Singapore Idol.

Two days ago, she returned to the MPS again alone and clutching a handwritten letter of apology from her son.

'Please fodgive me for what I dad I am sinelely truely I'm sorry (sic),' the teenager had written in big, neat handwriting.

The apology, however, was not acceptable to Mrs Lim, who was back chairing the MPS after returning from abroad.

'I made it very clear to (the mother) that this is unacceptable behaviour. It is not justifiable in any circumstance. There's no excuse to be violent,' Mrs Lim told The New Paper.

She also explained that she was not in a position to excuse or forgive the boy.

'I was not present and the police are investigating into the matter. I believe the police will take into consideration the mitigating factors,' said Mrs Lim.

'From what I understand, Madam Phua was being very motherly and very helpful inside the room with them.'

Mrs Lim's response surprised the mother, who had spoken fondly of her throughout the interview with The New Paper just a day before.

She said: 'I know what my son did was wrong. But how can I not defend him? He is my son, he is not well and he has a problem with his temper.

'I don't want him to go to jail and have his future ruined.'
 
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I agree with Labia Lips Lim Hwee Hwa. First you turn a blind eye to peoples' mocking words, next they'll spit on you. Turn a blind eye to that, they'll throw a chair at you.
Good government must know how to keep the electorate in line.
So before they vote you out, use your brothers who are also your fathers to throw them into jail. PAP is the best! PAP fuck the rest!
 
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This episode is indeed utterly disgusting and shameful to say the least :mad:!!!

Do they know how to spell the word ... compassion .....:oIo: ....
 

ivebert

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You guys have really high standards...

Want a MP to be a nun, genius and debater all in 1 package
 

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You guys have really high standards...

Want a MP to be a nun, genius and debater all in 1 package

For $15K a month plus bonus, generous pension, medical benefits, etc. THEY BETTER WELL FUCKING BE!
 

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This family is probably one of the many typical cases that MPs have to face at every meet-the-people session. Granted it is frustrating. However, having taken up the challenge, one has to accept the type of "client" that he/she has to face and more importantly, must bear with their attitudes and behaviour.

No matter how hopeless a person may appear to be, as an unrelated party, we cannot chide them in front of others as there should be helpers in such session. I think that is the trigger point - the ego is hurt. In fact, thinking positively, the hurling of the chair is a good sign i.e. he still has pride. When the mother made the appeal, it presented a great opportunity for the MP to win over the trust and respect of the family by accepting the appeal even though the family is wrong. It also gave a chance for more "pointed" discussion with them on what they had done wrong that led them to their current state and what they should do. Yes, probably nothing much will be retained but it is still a good start. Counselling takes great patience with low success rate. It's a lousy job. Hopefully more of our "leaders" will come to term that counselling is one of their key functions and carry it out graciously.
 

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This family is probably one of the many typical cases that MPs have to face at every meet-the-people session. Granted it is frustrating. However, having taken up the challenge, one has to accept the type of "client" that he/she has to face and more importantly, must bear with their attitudes and behaviour.

No matter how hopeless a person may appear to be, as an unrelated party, we cannot chide them in front of others as there should be helpers in such session. I think that is the trigger point - the ego is hurt. In fact, thinking positively, the hurling of the chair is a good sign i.e. he still has pride. When the mother made the appeal, it presented a great opportunity for the MP to win over the trust and respect of the family by accepting the appeal even though the family is wrong. It also gave a chance for more "pointed" discussion with them on what they had done wrong that led them to their current state and what they should do. Yes, probably nothing much will be retained but it is still a good start. Counselling takes great patience with low success rate. It's a lousy job. Hopefully more of our "leaders" will come to term that counselling is one of their key functions and carry it out graciously.

Good points! And don't forget that the 17 year old had shown some backbone unlike the constituents I've seen walking out of their MP's office with head bowed and tears dripping to the floor!
 

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Hopefully more of our "leaders" will come to term that counselling is one of their key functions and carry it out graciously.


Don't kong jiao wei

If I live in Singpaore, I don't want my MP to comfort and counsel the peasants everyday

They better focus their efforts on maintaining the estate and making gains from the sinking funds
 

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Don't kong jiao wei

If I live in Singpaore, I don't want my MP to comfort and counsel the peasants everyday

They better focus their efforts on maintaining the estate and making gains from the sinking funds

I share your sentiment. I too do not wish my MP to comfort and counsel the residents for self-inflicted misery. We should take care of our own life. However, the implementation of the "meet-the-people" sessions leave them with no choice. Just like doctors - they need to 'send off' irrational patients in a nice way.
 
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Good points! And don't forget that the 17 year old had shown some backbone unlike the constituents I've seen walking out of their MP's office with head bowed and tears dripping to the floor!

Yeah, that's true. I think the boy probably felt the mother was being bullied and intimidated and he got mad. good for him for sticking up for his mother
 

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Yeah, that's true. I think the boy probably felt the mother was being bullied and intimidated and he got mad. good for him for sticking up for his mother

According to blogger Mr. Wang say so....Labia Lips Lim Hwee Hwa was reported to have said that.."The Chair could have killed somebody." So please take note when you smash a chair against a wall ok?
 

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Don't kong jiao wei

If I live in Singpaore, I don't want my MP to comfort and counsel the peasants everyday

They better focus their efforts on maintaining the estate and making gains from the sinking funds

u dumb pap dog,

so your definition of MP is MP = facility management manager + fund manager.
 

ivebert

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u dumb pap dog,

so your definition of MP is MP = facility management manager + fund manager.

Please lah
Why would I get involved with PAP as an American?
PAP is just 1 small party in 1 small country
Any respectable American state is bigger than this peesai


Who cares about the comfort and counsel of the peasants?
If you want to wayang and hug these peasants, the helpers of MP can do it?

The only way out of poverty is education and skills
Give them $$ and u kill that route
Get real chao Sinkie
:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:
 

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...I think the boy probably felt the mother was being bullied and intimidated and he got mad. good for him for sticking up for his mother
this likely to be the reason and the son could not control his emotion.

their flat kana repossess, the CPF gone. masuk MP pocket?
 

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Please lah
Why would I get involved with PAP as an American?
PAP is just 1 small party in 1 small country
Any respectable American state is bigger than this peesai

Give them $$ and u kill that route
Get real chao Sinkie
:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:

CCB PAP dog,

u american? then pls get the fuck out of this sinkie forum. :oIo::oIo:
 

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Don't kong jiao wei
If I live in Singpaore, I don't want my MP to comfort and counsel the peasants everyday
They better focus their efforts on maintaining the estate and making gains from the sinking funds

Ivebert, don't talk shit. It is not for the town council to make profits from sinking fund. It is precisely this kinda practice that made them lose money in Lehman fiasco. Town council members are there to maintain estate, not to make profits, if you mix up the two you have a bankrupt town council.

In the past, some jokers council members in my condo wanted to push for investing the condo sinking funds in so-called "safe investments" like those UOB structured deposits. I was one of those who said NO, NO and NO.
 
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I think everyone missed the point that the 17 year old teenager is with "low IQ". This is a typical expression for person with special needs. I don't think he is capable of controlling his emotions due to his condition and of course, his situation made it worse.

What I fail to understand is that after knowing he is of low IQ (special needs) and his condition, the 2 stupid MPs and the Police still want to press charges. How can the Police still press criminal charges when the person may not be able to control his/her condition? Shouldn't the IO take discretion when deciding whether the case has merits? Of course the key assholes are the 2 MPs.
 

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Cerebral...if you have been following local news reports on court cases, being mentally unsound holds no water if you can't afford expert testimony. If not, Lee Kuan Yew and his Cabinet would had faced more than aluminium chairs long ago.
 
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