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More deaths is preferred to lockdown?



Would Sam be lynched if he were to espouse his views in Italy?

More deaths by wuhan virus...even if fatality rate is 3% or 5% is much better than death by starvation and poverty due to the wuhan virus. The death rate no different to the flu
 
More deaths by wuhan virus...even if fatality rate is 3% or 5% is much better than death by starvation and poverty due to the wuhan virus. The death rate no different to the flu

The death rate in Italy is many times more than usual.
The lockdown happen two weeks after first death.
If there were no lockdown, how many more deaths would there be.

If the government step in, there will not be starvation and poverty.
 
I think Sam Leong is just being himself and trying to provide a contrarian view to everything. That is something we have to bear with to enjoy the space here. The dumbfucks who sing the same tune without making any sense - I just let them be. I would not waste a single stroke of my pen, oh I mean a single tap on my phone, on these jokers.
 
The death rate in Italy is many times more than usual.
The lockdown happen two weeks after first death.
If there were no lockdown, how many more deaths would there be.

If the government step in, there will not be starvation and poverty.
What is the number of many more deaths? Please quantify your statement
 
The death rate in Italy is many times more than usual.
The lockdown happen two weeks after first death.
If there were no lockdown, how many more deaths would there be.

If the government step in, there will not be starvation and poverty.
Millions have lost their livelihood n r now destitute..so how many are saved due to this lockdown?
 


Would Sam be lynched if he were to espouse his views in Italy?


They should interview the people who lost loved ones because of the lockdown.



nypost.com

We must count the deaths from shutdowns as well as from coronavirus
Betsy McCaughey

4-6 minutes



Since the coronavirus shutdown began, nearly 17 million Americans have lost their jobs. That’s one-tenth of the nation’s workforce. It’s a public-health disaster. If the shutdown drags on, as many public-health experts recommend it should, it is almost certain to kill more Americans than the virus.

The academics and public-health officials who have concocted models of the virus’s spread are telling us that we have to continue the shutdown to save thousands of lives. It’s too bad none of their models considers the deaths that will be caused by unemployment.

Before the virus hit, America’s unemployment rate was 3.5 percent, the lowest in 50 years. Now Goldman Sachs predicts unemployment could spike to 15 percent by midyear. A St. Louis Federal Reserve economist grimly predicts 32 percent unemployment — worse than during the Great Depression.

Job losses cause extreme suffering. Every 1 percent hike in the unemployment rate will likely produce a 3.3 percent increase in drug-overdose deaths and a 0.99 percent increase in suicides, according to data from the National Bureau of Economic Research and the medical journal Lancet.

These are facts based on past experience, not models. If unemployment hits 32 percent, some 77,000 Americans are likely to die from suicide and drug overdoses as a result of layoffs. Deaths of despair.

Then add the predictable deaths from alcohol abuse caused by unemployment. Health economist Michael French from the University of Miami found a “significant association between job loss” and binge drinking and alcoholism.

The impact of layoffs goes beyond suicide, drug overdosing and drinking, however. Overall, the death rate for an unemployed person is 63 percent higher than for someone with a job, according to findings in the journal Social Science & Medicine.

Now do the math: Layoff-related deaths could far outnumber the 60,400 coronavirus deaths predicted by University of Washington researchers. This comparison isn’t meant to understate the horror of the coronavirus for those who get it and their families.

But heavy-handed state edicts to close all “nonessential businesses” need to be reassessed in light of the predictable harm to the lives, livelihoods and health of the uninfected.

The shutdown was originally explained as a way to “flatten the curve,” allowing time to expand health-care capacity, so lives wouldn’t be needlessly lost in overwhelmed hospitals.

When the shutdown is lifted, cases will increase. Some epidemiologists predict the virus could return in a second wave this fall. But as President Trump reported Friday, hospitals are ready now, supplied with ventilators, caregivers and beds. Some cities are now oversupplied. Even New York state, with half the cases in the nation, reports enough beds. Temporary bed capacity provided by the military is empty (though some local hospitals have complained of red tape preventing patients from being sent there).

The president’s social-distancing guidelines expire April 30, suggesting the possibility of restarting parts of the economy shortly thereafter.

To make reopening possible, schools should resume in most places, so working parents can return to jobs. Even in the Empire State, only a single child under the age of 10 has died. That’s tragic, but very unusual. Some 84 percent of fatalities in New York are people over 60. We have a duty to preserve human life, but we’re called to allocate our efforts reasonably, show concern for all lives.

On Monday, governors in several states heavily hit by the coronavirus announced they would work together regionally on plans to phase out the shutdown. On Tuesday, Trump announced a council assembled to formulate plans for reopening the nation for business.

It won’t be done by a flick of the switch. Getting back to business will hinge on testing, accommodations employers make for workers’ safety and the willingness of consumers to patronize restaurants, gyms and other businesses again.

The president’s public-health advisers want the virus to“determine the timetable.” But Trump should also take into account the concerns of the silent majority suffering from the shutdown. It’s more than just their jobs on the line. Their lives are, too.

Betsy McCaughey, a former lieutenant governor of New York, is chairwoman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths.
 
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Pre covid deaths.
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We will wait until the year is over to determine if the total number of death pre covid and in the year 2020 with covid to see if there is any significant difference.
From there, we can assume that those who died with covid, are going to die any way, with or without covid.
 
I think Sam Leong is just being himself and trying to provide a contrarian view to everything. That is something we have to bear with to enjoy the space here. The dumbfucks who sing the same tune without making any sense - I just let them be. I would not waste a single stroke of my pen, oh I mean a single tap on my phone, on these jokers.

Quite entertaining, his method of churning and generating traffic. All in good fun.
He is not malacious, so we can enjoy and yes, live with it. Membership has its
"pain" in the ass. :mad:
 
Singkieland has 28k+ cases. N only 21 deaths. Talk about making mountains out of molehills and destroying people's livelihoods in the process



Singapore reports 682 new COVID-19 infections; daily new community cases fell in the past week
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Medical personnel and an ambulance seen inside Kian Teck Hostel situated along 30 Kian Teck Avenue. (Photo: Gaya Chandramohan)
17 May 2020 03:09PM
(Updated: 18 May 2020 12:08AM)
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SINGAPORE: Singapore reported 682 new COVID-19 cases as of noon on Sunday (May 17), taking the country's total to 28,038.

A further 998 cases have been discharged from hospitals or community isolation facilities. In all, 9,340 have fully recovered from the infection, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its daily update.

There were a total of five community cases: Four Singaporeans and a work pass holder.

One of the Singaporeans, a 24-year-old man, is linked to the CDPL Tuas Dormitory. MOH said 21 additional cases have been linked to the cluster at 6 Tuas South Street 15, which now has a total of 452 confirmed infections.

The other three Singaporean cases are currently unlinked.

MOH said the number of new cases in the community has decreased, from an average of eight cases per day in the week before to an average of three per day in the past week.

The number of unlinked cases in the community has also decreased, from an average of three cases per day in the week before, to an average of two per day in the past week.

A total of 673 of the new casesare work permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories, MOH added.

The ministry said it continues to pick up many more cases among work permit holders residing in dormitories, including in factory-converted dormitories, because of extensive testing in these premises, as part of its process to verify and test the status of all workers.

Thirteen earlier confirmed cases have also been linked to form a new cluster at 9 Sungei Kadut Avenue.

READ: 'I'm happy to be home but I'm also stuck': For a COVID-19 positive patient deemed well enough for discharge, concerns remain
Four cases were detected among work permit holders residing outside dormitories.

"Of the four cases, two are flatmates who had been identified as contacts of an earlier confirmed case, and had been placed on quarantine from Apr 29. They were subsequently tested at the end of their quarantine, and were found to be positive for COVID-19.

"Epidemiological investigations are ongoing for the other two cases," the ministry said.

MOH added that the number of new cases among work permit holders residing outside dormitories has decreased, from an average of five cases per day in the week before to an average of two per day in the past week.

MOH said 99 per cent of the new cases are linked to known clusters while the rest are pending contact tracing. Further details can be found in its daily situation report.

There are currently 1,210 confirmed COVID-19 cases who are still in hospital. Of these, MOH said most are stable or improving while 16 are in critical condition in the intensive care unit.

A total of 17,466 are isolated and cared for at community facilities. These are those who have mild symptoms, or are clinically well but still test positive for COVID-19.

As previously reported, 22 people have died from complications due to COVID-19 infection.

As the number of community cases goes down to single digits, authorities have been easing some "circuit breaker" restrictions, such as allowing more businesses to reopen.

However, Health Minister Gan Kim Yong cautioned on Friday that the measures need to be lifted "carefully and slowly", as the number of COVID-19 community cases was "likely" to increase as some of the measures are rolled back.

“Because if we are not careful, the number of cases will spike up, and you may have big clusters forming again," he said.
 
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We will wait until the year is over to determine if the total number of death pre covid and in the year 2020 with covid to see if there is any significant difference.
From there, we can assume that those who died with covid, are going to die any way, with or without covid.

Who gave you the right to play God or Allah? If not for civil, tens of thousands would still be alive. Without the lock down, more tens of thousands would have died.

Folks like you decide that it is not necessary to prevent the spread and those who die from it, rightfully deserve to die. You are no better than Hitler with that mindset.
 
Who gave you the right to play God or Allah? If not for civil, tens of thousands would still be alive. Without the lock down, more tens of thousands would have died.

Folks like you decide that it is not necessary to prevent the spread and those who die from it, rightfully deserve to die. You are no better than Hitler with that mindset.
I nor Allah did not create covid. The Chinese did.
Those who died are already half dead before covid. Covid just shorten their lifespan by maybe a few months.
 
It does not matter. We don't play God and decide who should live and die. We are not animals.
Yes we are not God. And we should also not destroy the livelihoods of others in the process. We not killing the Infected. N if an old and infirmed die of the wuhan virus. It's their luck of the draw. Same If I die of the wuhan virus
 
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