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Meet the Warthog: the latest weapon in war

TeeKee

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September 29, 2009
Meet the Warthog: the latest weapon in war
By Kim Sengupta
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The name is meant to acknowledge its sheer lack of attraction, a military vehicle with no pretention of elegance. But the unlovely Warthog, unveiled today, will play a crucial part in the desperate attempts to combat the roadside bombs taking such a lethal toll on British lives in Afghanistan.

The squat, snub-nosed armoured carrier is a key component of a £700m package, details of which will be presented by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in London today, aimed at giving better protection for troops and turning the tide of an increasingly ferocious insurgency.

In total, 115 of the 19-tonners will be sent to Helmand next summer as replacement for the Vikings and Vectors, which are being withdrawn after 12 members of the services died in them. Lieutenant Colonel Rupert Thorneloe, the commanding officer of the Welsh Guards, was among those killed while travelling in a Viking. He became the most senior officer in the British Army to die in combat since Colonel H Jones in the Falklands.

They were the latest vehicles to fail to withstand Taliban attacks. The use of Snatch Land Rovers was drastically reduced after the loss of 37 lives and 10 more were killed in Jackals, originally sent to Helmand because they were supposedly mine-resistant.

Improvised explosive devices (IEDs) have claimed 80 per cent of recent British fatalities. Private James Prosser was the latest victim, killed near Musa Qala on Sunday. Today, the body of Acting Sergeant Michael Lockett, a holder of the Military Cross, returned to RAF Lyneham. He was killed in an explosion in the Gereshk district last week.

The issue of vehicles and roadside bombs have now become central to the UK's commitment in Afghanistan. According to senior officers, the Government is balking at sending extra troops, the wish of defence chiefs, because of apprehension that adequate numbers of protective carriers may not be supplied in time.

The unveiling of the Warthog comes at a time of intense international debate about Afghanistan and growing opposition in Europe and the US to further involvement in the conflict.

Anders Fogh Rasumussen, the new Nato Secretary-General, who was in Washington to meet Barack Obama, spoke about the sacrifices being made. He said: "While body count is no measure of solidarity, it is, unfortunately, a symbol of commitment. Over 20 countries have had their soldiers killed, some in large numbers."

Tomorrow, General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, will give a keynote speech in London. A central plank of the General's new strategy for the war, he said in a recent report, would mean Western troops would have to live and work among local people. He acknowledged that this would mean incurring more risk of attacks.

Defence officials insist that thorough evaluation of how the losses occurred has helped design the Warthog, and it will be one of the safest vehicles sent to the conflict. It is better armoured than the Viking, and has been equipped with state-of-the-art counter measures against bombs and mines. In another break with the past, with the £150m purchase of the Warthog the UK became the first Western power to buy a major piece of equipment from Asia. The vehicle is made in Singapore to UK specifications.

Alongside the Warthog, the rest of the £700m budget from Urgent Operational Requirements will go on more Jackals, Buffalo mine-protecting vehicles, the Husky and Coyote, medium and light armoured support vehicles. The MoD has denied claims that the version of the Husky being bought for British forces has been rejected by the US.

The Warthog's specifications include additional armour, improved electronics, and seats which protect crews and passengers more effectively in the event of a blast. It is also faster, enabling it to get away from attacks more easily.

Speaking at the "rollout" of the Warthog in Singapore, Brigadier Patrick Choy, a senior official with Singapore Technologies Kinetics, the firm which built the Warthog, said: "These vehicles had been built to the demands made by the MoD in London after extensive evaluations about what is needed in Afghanistan. As the name suggests, it is not pretty, but it is tough, durable and happy to live in shit, which makes it prepared for operations in Helmand. We shall have our own team out there to help maintain the vehicles and maker sure that the UK forces are not let down."

Members of British forces have been testing the Warthog. Major Jez Hermer, who recently left the Royal Marines after taking its Viking fleet to Afghanistan, said: "Having been out there I know how tough it is. This is a better vehicle of its type than anything we have got out there and [will] help save lives. It has good armour protection, but can also go across extremely difficult terrain."

Brigadier Ian Simpson, who heads the "Combat Wheels Group" at the Ministry of Defence, said: "The Warthog has been acquired specifically with Afghanistan in mind, and it is very much a key element in our plans to provide the forces there with the best protection and equipment possible.

"This is the first time we have bought such equipment from an Asian firm and I have no qualms about that whatever. This has been done to very high engineering standards and, crucially, the vehicles will be delivered in time."

One of the main selling points of the Warthog is that further equipment and armour can be added in the future. Defence officials accept that this will be a matter of necessity. One of the brutal lessons of the Afghan war is that the Taliban will continue to make better and bigger bombs, and the West will have to keep on countering this, the deadliest of threats.
 

johnny333

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Looks like they are trying to use expensive technology to counter cheap IEDs.

The taliban will simply adjust their their tactics or/& increase the yield of the explosives used in IEDs.

Back to square one :rolleyes:
 

singveld

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it does not matter how tough it is.

because, muslim terrorists readjust their explosive strength if they found that it is not working.

in israel, even their best tank were destroy when ambush by a massive bomb. i mean massive.

the solution is not tough vehicle, but attack their logistic and source of explosive constantly until they break. if you know the supplier, you have to attack them, no matter where and who they are.
 

lockeliberal

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Dear Sing

its a matter of scale and logistics for both Terrorist and the Allies. Bombs that can destroy main battle tanks tend to be huge and complicated. Smaller bombs that can disable tanks tend to be lighter but also less damaging and might result only in mobility kill and personnel injuries.


There have been no reports of the Taliban taking out MBTs in Afghanistan, but then again the predominance of armoured vehicles have been light tanks / AFVs. The nature and terrain constraints on all sides in the conflict might also limit the use of larger IEDs on the part of the Talibs just as the terrain limits the use of heavier AFV for the allies.




Locke
 

singveld

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yes you can, you place the bomb at the road toward the cliff side, the bomb will send the tank over the cliff and gravity will take care of the rest.

yes maybe now, they dun use huge bomb, but if they find that it is not working anymore, they will increase the dose.

this is a matter of time.

what they need to, stop sending these patrol.

stop sending their men to their death.


why did usa lost vietnam? they lost, because they send too many men to vietnam. must keep troop number to a minimum. it is time to use robots.

is singapore making robots?? killing machine.

like r2d2 with a machine gun. like dalin



Dear Sing

its a matter of scale and logistics for both Terrorist and the Allies. Bombs that can destroy main battle tanks tend to be huge and complicated. Smaller bombs that can disable tanks tend to be lighter but also less damaging and might result only in mobility kill and personnel injuries.


There have been no reports of the Taliban taking out MBTs in Afghanistan, but then again the predominance of armoured vehicles have been light tanks / AFVs. The nature and terrain constraints on all sides in the conflict might also limit the use of larger IEDs on the part of the Talibs just as the terrain limits the use of heavier AFV for the allies.




Locke
 

HTOLAS

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If you can divert the enemy's limited resources to take out your assets, you would have scored a strategic advantage, i.e. the insurgents would have to carry heavier IEDs and more explosives would need to be used.

More also usually means bigger, thus easier to spot.

This would not end the war but would at least tax the Talibs more.

yes you can, you place the bomb at the road toward the cliff side, the bomb will send the tank over the cliff and gravity will take care of the rest.

yes maybe now, they dun use huge bomb, but if they find that it is not working anymore, they will increase the dose.

this is a matter of time.

what they need to, stop sending these patrol.

stop sending their men to their death.


why did usa lost vietnam? they lost, because they send too many men to vietnam. must keep troop number to a minimum. it is time to use robots.

is singapore making robots?? killing machine.

like r2d2 with a machine gun. like dalin
 

singveld

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If you can divert the enemy's limited resources to take out your assets, you would have scored a strategic advantage, i.e. the insurgents would have to carry heavier IEDs and more explosives would need to be used.

More also usually means bigger, thus easier to spot.

This would not end the war but would at least tax the Talibs more.

it cost the nation less if they lost the troop, than have a handicap troop and family to feed.

it is cheaper if they use a land rover for their troop.

heavy vehicle like warhog, i will dig some trap, where they fall into.

when they spend time digging it out.

you drop a huge rock on them.
 

makapaaa

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http://cookedinafrica.blogspot.com/2009/01/slow-baked-warthog-with-roast-veg-youll.html

Slow Baked Warthog With Roasted Veg


You’ll need:

1 papaya - blend - skin, seeds and fruit
500ml Bulgarian yoghurt
2 sprigs rosemary
Big pinch Maldon salt
Whole head of garlic
Good quality local olive oil
100g oxtail fat (fat = flavour)
Loin of Warthog
Small bag peeled cocktail onions
3-4 peeled red onions, sliced
5-6 beetroots, peeled and halved
5-6 sweet potatoes, peeled and chopped into chunks
250mls cream


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Watchman

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Singapore made 'Warthog' to replace UK's Viking Armoured Vehicles


30 Sep 2009

A “lifesaving” piece of equipment has been urgently rolled out to replace the vulnerable Viking vehicle in which nine troops have been killed on operations in Afghanistan.

The new Warthog tracked armoured vehicle was unveiled yesterday/today that commanders believe will bring a much tougher resistance to Taliban bombs.

It is also uniquely the first armoured vehicle to be built for a Western army by an Asian company. ST Kinetics won the £150 million contract for 115 vehicles and has managed to produce the first Warthog within nine months, on time and ahead of schedule as part of an Urgent Operational Requirement.

The Viking is being withdrawn from service in Helmand after almost a quarter of the fleet were destroyed by Taliban bombs, with 27 unable to return to the front line.

The nine dead included Lt Col Rupert Thorneloe, the commanding officer of the Welsh Guards, who this summer became the most senior Army officer to die on the frontline since the Falklands War.

However the Viking proved that the twin-cabin push-pull method was highly mobile across the rough terrain and irrigation ditches of Helmand.

STK also managed to win the contract from BAe Systems which has a Viking II variant. The Ministry of Defence opted for the Singapore company’s vehicle that is bigger and stronger than the 12 ton Viking at 19 tons.

Major Jez Hermer, a former Royal Marine who commanded the first Viking force in Afghanistan and now a consultant for STK, said because of the Viking’s small size it was “pushed to limits and beyond” in terms of adding greater protection.

The Warthog, which has been extensively tested in the Middle East by the Army, has been built with a specially reinforced hull but also has the capacity for adding on another four tons of armour or other protective equipment.

“We wait to see what the Taliban will do in response but when things do happen and it is targeted we do have the capacity to do what we can to fend them off,” said Major Hermer “We have done the best we can to give the troops a fighting chance. Nothing can give you 100 per cent protection but this could prove a lifesaver.”

The Warthog, which carries 12 soldiers and a heavy machine gun or grenade launch on the front mounting, will deploy on combat operations next spring.

Six hundred have already been built for the Singapore Army and France could order a fleet within the next few weeks.

“We may not be losing sons and daughters on a foreign field but nevertheless our feelings are at one with the British people,” said Chee Jhuen, president of STK. “If we fail to adequately deliver good support we hurt the man at the front. Thus our workers, engineers and managers are all bound to the British fighting man and his family.”

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johnny333

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“We may not be losing sons and daughters on a foreign field but nevertheless our feelings are at one with the British people,” said Chee Jhuen, president of STK. “If we fail to adequately deliver good support we hurt the man at the front. Thus our workers, engineers and managers are all bound to the British fighting man and his family.”

This statement is very funny.

There is no NS for Spore girls & its well known how cheap the lifes of NS men are valued. :rolleyes:
 

minibond

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Looks like they are trying to use expensive technology to counter cheap IEDs.

The taliban will simply adjust their their tactics or/& increase the yield of the explosives used in IEDs.

Back to square one :rolleyes:

You are exactly right.

The way how explosives are packed and shaped will make the difference.

It is just an adjustment.

There is no new vehicles they can make to save their lives. Fat hope and dreams.

They added metal grills in the hope to distance the explosive from the surface of truck by few inches.

That can be countered by a double blast, 1s blast to attack the metal grills, 2nd to do the usual kills.

:smile:
 
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Papsmearer

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Looks like they are trying to use expensive technology to counter cheap IEDs.

The taliban will simply adjust their their tactics or/& increase the yield of the explosives used in IEDs.

Back to square one :rolleyes:

U can't increase the yield. The explosives are all pretty standard. The IEDs are made from artillery shells or whatever military grade explosive they can scavenge or buy. U can increase the size of the explosion by creating a bigger IED, but the yield is still the same.
 

Papsmearer

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it does not matter how tough it is.

because, muslim terrorists readjust their explosive strength if they found that it is not working.

in israel, even their best tank were destroy when ambush by a massive bomb. i mean massive.

the solution is not tough vehicle, but attack their logistic and source of explosive constantly until they break. if you know the supplier, you have to attack them, no matter where and who they are.

So easy meh? Talk big. A-stan is such a moutainous country with a long border that cannot be guarded in all places. Lots of mountain trails and paths going back and forth between A-stan and Pakistan. How to track the source? Kill everyone crossing the border on a donkey? The US are already targetting all these bomb makers and what not with Predator and UAV strikes. U need intelligence first before u can suka suka strike.
 

Papsmearer

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yes you can, you place the bomb at the road toward the cliff side, the bomb will send the tank over the cliff and gravity will take care of the rest.

yes maybe now, they dun use huge bomb, but if they find that it is not working anymore, they will increase the dose.

this is a matter of time.

what they need to, stop sending these patrol.

stop sending their men to their death.


why did usa lost vietnam? they lost, because they send too many men to vietnam. must keep troop number to a minimum. it is time to use robots.

is singapore making robots?? killing machine.

like r2d2 with a machine gun. like dalin

Stop sending patrols? SO easy, ah? What fucking logic is that. U are supposed to have conquered the country and kicked out the Taliban, and now u are afraid to come out of your base and do patrols? If there are no patrols, the terrorists will be given free hand to camp out in the villages and plot all they want. U need to win the hearts and minds of the populace and u cannot do that if the populace don't see you.
 

Papsmearer

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Everyone just need to calm down first. ST Eng just got very lucky with this contract. The UK needed some vehicle right away because of all the losses they were taking on their Vikings. There are not many makers of these vehicles in the world, Bofors in Sweden, ST Eng. and the Brit maker of Vikings. Only ST Eng could gear up to produce that number required on such a short notice because they were already in production for the SAF. The other companies basically have shut down their production lines already, so ST Eng was by default the only viable candidate for this contract. After incorporating all the mods that the Brit army wanted, ST Eng.delivered on their contract, but at the cut price of only USD$2.16 million per vehicle. They are not making any money on this contract, but they are taking it just to say that they have a big western power as a customer, and hope to open some doors for them in the future.
Just my 2 cents.
 

johnny333

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You are exactly right.

The way how explosives are packed and shaped will make the difference.

It is just an adjustment.

...

While the americans, Brits,.... spend millions getting new equipment. Don't expect the terrorists to sit around doing nothing.

They will simply adjust their tactics to counter any counter measures.

Even if these armoured vehicles were effective, sooner or latter troops have to disembark from these vehicles & enter the killing zone :rolleyes:
 

halsey02

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it does not matter how tough it is.

because, muslim terrorists readjust their explosive strength if they found that it is not working.

in israel, even their best tank were destroy when ambush by a massive bomb. i mean massive.

the solution is not tough vehicle, but attack their logistic and source of explosive constantly until they break. if you know the supplier, you have to attack them, no matter where and who they are.

Have you guys seen the Afhanistan terrain?...if the Russians can't handle them, can the United Nations or Unites States or whatever using whatever...can defeat them?

In anything..there is always a 'chink' in the armour...not that, slit eye, yellow..chink...ok..but a slit!.

Is the Warthog..halal...ha ha:biggrin:
 

boundThunter

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A formidable war machine, but are the batteries included ? Spareparts ? Coolants ? Flushing toilets ? I-Pod jacks ?
The list goes on...:confused:

They are fighting a guerrilla warfare and all these machines are just expensive toys or portable sofas.



Every Aghan fighters memorised the Chairman Mao's handbook on guerrilla's warfare:

When the enemy is in over-extended defence,
and sufficient force cannot be concentrated against him, guerrillas must disperse, harass him, and demoralize him.
When encircled by the enemy, guerrillas disperse to withdraw.
When the nature of the ground limits action,guerrillas disperse.
When the availability of supplies limits action, they disperse.
Guerrillas disperse in order to promote mass movements over a wide area.



So what are the Warthogs like in the terrains of that country ?
Liked a sitting duck. Might as well paint them red nd put a "quack, quack" horns on them. hahaha....

These strategies are so well-entrenched into the Afghans' minds, what we can look forward to with assurance and deja vu is the news of their first successful kill of the Warthog.
 
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