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only PAP and the elites are allow to make big money, sinkies are not suppose to make big capital gain. Understand!!!!!!!



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Why WP's ideas are flawed: Mah
National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan yesterday gave three reasons why the Workers' Party's proposal to lower new flat prices by pegging them to median incomes rather than market forces is flawed

FIRST, the WP's proposal to price HDB new flats much lower than current levels will devalue existing flats.

If new flat prices are significantly lowered, more flat buyers will buy new flats instead of resale flats. This will cause prices of resale flats to fall.

First- and second-time home buyers who buy resale flats constituted over half (17,000 out of 32,000, or 53 per cent) of total resale transactions in 2010. They are eligible to buy new flats from HDB.

If we depress new flat prices, many of them will switch to buying new flats. This will lengthen waiting time for all new flat buyers and depress prices of resale flats. This must impact the flat values of the existing one million HDB home owners, and sooner rather than later.

Second, the WP is against the asset enhancement policy.

It blames HDB's upgrading programmes for pushing up flat prices. The PAP's home ownership and rejuvenation programmes - such as Remaking Our Heartland, Lift Upgrading Programme (LUP), Home Improvement Programme (HIP) and Neighbourhood Renewal Programme (NRP) - have made the HDB flat an asset, whose value appreciates in tandem with our economic growth.

In recent years, the Government has incurred deficits of about $1 billion each year in the home ownership programme and committed another $1 billion each year in rejuvenation programmes to benefit Singaporeans.

Why is the WP against upgrading programmes which enhance the value of Singaporeans' homes, and enable the people to enjoy the fruits of Singapore's progress? Why does the WP want to push down the value of all existing HDB flats?

Finally, the WP's proposal to lower flat prices by paying less for the land is an illegal raid on our reserves.

Under our Constitution, after every general election, the new Government is required to manage its expenditure based on its current revenue during its term in office.

It cannot use assets which have been accumulated under previous governments, unless the Elected President (EP) agrees. These assets are reserves protected by the EP for future generations of Singaporeans. This system was put in to prevent a profligate government spending money which it had not accumulated.

State land forms part of the reserves protected by the EP. When the Government takes state land from the reserves to use, for example for public housing, it has to pay the full value of the land back into the reserves, to replace the land which it has used.

This land value is determined by the Chief Valuer, according to objective market conditions and established valuation principles. In this case, it is valued for public housing, which is already lower than for private housing.

The Government cannot arbitrarily price state land higher or lower as it pleases. Nor can it appoint a Chief Valuer to do its bidding, because the Chief Valuer's appointment is protected, and subject to the approval of the EP.

Paying less for land to build flats is thus not a casual matter of 'left pocket to right pocket' as the WP have put it, but of raiding our reserves (contrary to our Constitution), which are meant for future generations, and spending the money on ourselves now. This is precisely what the EP was created to prevent.

Not coincidentally, the WP manifesto also advocates abolishing the EP. Its motive is clearly to remove the constitutional safeguards, so that it can raid the reserves to fund irresponsible spending. Is this what the WP means when it offers itself as a 'responsible' alternative to the PAP?'

AGAINST PROGRESS?

'Why is the WP against upgrading programmes which enhance the value of Singaporeans' homes, and enable the people to enjoy the fruits of Singapore's progress? Why does the WP want to push down the value of all existing HDB flats?'

National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan, questioning the WP's proposal to lower flat prices

WP's proposals dangerous: Mah
He says party's housing ideas will drive HDB values down
Upgrading enhances value of homes, but WP is against it
Pay less for state land? That's 'an illegal raid on reserves'
By Zakir Hussain, Political Correspondent

NATIONAL Development Minister Mah Bow Tan has described the Workers' Party's (WP) proposal to lower the prices of new Housing Board (HDB) flats as being 'not in the interest of Singaporeans and even dangerous'.

He gave three reasons.

One, it would impact the values of existing flats.

As new flat prices fall, home buyers would switch to buying new flats rather than resale flats. The values of the existing one million HDB flats would then fall, he said.

His second point: The WP was showing that it was against the Government's asset enhancement policy. The WP, he noted, has blamed HDB upgrading programmes for pushing up flat prices.

He asked: 'Why is the WP against upgrading programmes which enhance the value of Singaporeans' homes, and enable the people to enjoy the fruits of Singapore's progress? Why does the WP want to push down the value of all existing HDB flats?'

His third point: The WP's proposal amounts to an illegal raid on Singapore's reserves.

This is because state land forms part of the reserves. When the Government takes state land for public housing, it has to pay the full value of the land back into the reserves.

This value is determined not by the Government 'as it pleases', but by the chief valuer according to market conditions and valuation principles, said Mr Mah. Not only that, the appointment of the chief valuer is protected and subject to the approval of the elected president, he added.

So paying less for land to build flats is not a casual matter of 'left pocket to right pocket' as the WP put it, but has serious consequences for future generations, he noted.

Delivering a parting shot, Mr Mah noted that the WP advocates abolishing the elected presidency. 'Its motive is clearly to remove vital constitutional safeguards, so that it can raid the reserves to fund irresponsible spending.

'Is this what the WP means when it offers itself as a 'responsible' alternative to the PAP?'

Rising HDB flat prices have been a cause for concern for home buyers in recent years, and opposition parties are likely to zoom in on the issue at the hustings.

The National Solidarity Party has said it will make it an issue when it faces off against the People's Action Party team in Tampines GRC, which is helmed by Mr Mah.

In its recently released manifesto, the WP proposed to peg the prices of new HDB flats to median incomes of households that qualify to buy them.

At present, prices of new HDB flats are pegged to resale market prices, then discounted to ensure affordability.

WP chief Low Thia Khiang has on several occasions also called for the pricing of land to be lowered when it comes to HDB flats, saying this is a matter of internal transfers within the Government.

WP council member Gerald Giam has also argued that the high prices of HDB flats are due to the PAP's asset enhancement policies of the past 20 years.

In his response yesterday to these points, Mr Mah said the Government 'fully understands Singaporeans' concerns about rising housing prices'.

Price rises, he said, were due to the sharp economic recovery, low interest rates and excess liquidity.

'We cannot artificially depress prices. But we can moderate the increases, by increasing supply and moderating demand,' he added.

He pointed out that HDB was building 22,000 build-to-order flats this year, the most ever, and prices and transaction volumes were showing signs of stabilising.

Lower-income households get grants of up to $60,000 to buy flats, and the income ceilings for new three-room and design-and-build flats had also been raised, he said.

'The Government will continue to ensure that HDB flats will be both a home and an asset for successive generations,' he stressed.

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streetsmart73

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
hi there


1. at last, more fartings from the horse's rear.
2. lets go back to the fundamentals.
3. what's the mission of public housing, horse?
4. providing a decent roof over sheep head or profiteering!
5. in another word, what the current pricing for new flats and resale things has no flaw man!
6. well done, horsey.
 

Char_Azn

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
The guy is covering his own ass before the election. GMS needs to give him a good run for his money to make him wake up. Better yet, kick him out
 

Fool_Me_Hard

Alfrescian
Loyal
I think Marbok and many elites who own several flats or even more than 10 flat units are happy for asset enhancement because they are beneficiaries for this scheme. They can always sell off their flat if they need money for investment. However, if they price of flats are kept unchecked it will be the younger generation who suffers since they have to pay through their nose for their million dollar flats. We will then see that our CPF account got no money after we reach retirement age and also more people default in the mortgages. High HDB prices also discourages people to have children because they know that their children will suffer from the high living expenses too. So we should vote Marbok out for the sake of our children.
 

Fool_Me_Hard

Alfrescian
Loyal
Lets give Marbok a slap on his chee bye face. He is definitely profiteering from the sale of state land and asset enhancement of HDB flats. How can the flats be affordable when it takes forever like 30 years even for those middle income people to pay up?
 

ahleebabasingaporethief

Alfrescian
Loyal
___________How many properties does MaBoChee and his family members own in Singapore?

Should this not be disclosed before he runs for ERECTIONS?


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moolightaffairs

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
guys! i think now by increasing the oppositions in the pariahment also no use! so many seat kena contest! i said we send them all oppositions in one shot! now is the best time! go for the kill! so when pap want to pass blood sucking law, the oppositions will vote against it!!!
 

williamsF1

Alfrescian
Loyal
the horse with blinkers can only say that other's policies r flawed & sala. but he didnt know that his has been sala since the day he made HDB a revenue generating vehicle.

i hope the citizens & residents in tampines grc will do some justice... vote wisely, in so doing, sack the bugger
 

cicada

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Loyal
___________How many properties does MaBoChee and his family members own in Singapore?

Should this not be disclosed before he runs for ERECTIONS?


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You should check how many houses he, his family and cronies have across the second link and the new iskandar region also!!! hint: the purchase was near the time the 2nd link was built! That time he was still transport minister... :oIo:
 
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theDoors

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Loyal
You should check how many houses he, his family and cronies have across the second link and the new iskandar region also!!! hint: the purchase was near the time the 2nd link was built! That time he was still transport minister... :oIo:

We are down to Lego minifigures to fight the Empire!
 

Bigfuck

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Everytime land prices go up while your salay does increase commensurate to the rise, you suffer. Higher land prices means higher loans and if you become unemployed in between, you become a debt slave of the government. If you try to downgrade, you find many a time you cannot due to legislation. High land prices means landlords will ask for higher rentals to shop owners who have to either sell you things more expensive or give you inferior/harmful products to survive. For the elitist politicians making tax payer millions and not from the sales of products and services to foreigners overseas, they are just consolidating their power over slave rule.
 

zhihau

Super Moderator
SuperMod
Asset
If new flat prices are significantly lowered, more flat buyers will buy new flats instead of resale flats.

a couple of questions for Mr Mah:

1. when the new flat prices are significantly lowered and that more citizens will take on a new 99 year lease rather than taking up an old lease of less than 94 years, doesn't this help clear your stock of unsold flats?

2. why do we still need BTO if there's a surplus of flats unsold?

3. is there even a surplus of flats unsold?

4. if there isn't a surplus, why aren't you building fast enough?

as a concerned voter, i'm interested to know the answers.
 

coolguy

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Loyal
Mah BT: If new flat prices are significantly lowered, more flat buyers will buy new flats instead of resale flats. This will cause prices of resale flats to fall.

Answer:
1. Singaporean first time buyers will choose to buy new flat instead of resale flat because it is cheaper for them to buy new flats. If the new flat prices are significantly lowered, it will be beneficial for them since they can buy the new flat at a cheaper price. They will take lesser years to service the loans. Isn't it?
2. PRs and singaporean who already own a home can only buy resale flats. They cannot buy new flat. So even if new flat prices are significantly lowered, they still can't buy the new flat. Can they? So what makes you say the prices of resale flats will fall?


Mah BT: First- and second-time home buyers who buy resale flats constituted over half (17,000 out of 32,000, or 53 per cent) of total resale transactions in 2010. They are eligible to buy new flats from HDB.
If we depress new flat prices, many of them will switch to buying new flats. This will lengthen waiting time for all new flat buyers and depress prices of resale flats. This must impact the flat values of the existing one million HDB home owners, and sooner rather than later.

Answer:
If they can buy new flats in the first place, why must they go and buy resale flats?
New flat and resale flat caters to different segments of people in society.
If your HDB asset enhancement policy is so good as claimed, then depressing the new flat prices should not affect the existing flat prices. People should be able to sell their existing flat at the present good market price and then buy the new flat price at a cheaper price. Isn't it?
If not, then what good is your asset enhancement policy if new flat prices continue to rises and at the same time, you tried to curb the existing flat prices from rising?
 

Kuailan

Alfrescian
Loyal
Lowering new flat is like raiding the country reserve?
it just make new and & young couple affordable but at this price today
the young couple would to work their guts out for the next 30 years, by than 50+
in between this time hopefully they don't get retrenched due influx of Foreign Trash!
By than his CPF also GOT no money left for retirement, so work work work till u drop dead
at 80 yrs?

How about million dollars salary and 8 months bonus
doesn't that amount to raiding the reserve???
 

coolguy

Alfrescian
Loyal
One of the greatest raider of the spore reserves is now accusing sporeans of trying to raide the reserves?
How ironic life can be.
 

Windsor

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
It's a real no-brainer that all citizens can own one HDB Flat at any one time. Asset enhancements my foot. When one sells his home he also needs another roof over his head. Selling high also means buying high unless one downgrade to see any profit and usually the profits goes back into the CPF. As the retirement age keeps getting higher most probably one may not even enjoy the profit after downgrading and with old age there will be medical bills that will eat into the CPF Savings.

Unless a HDB owner is allowed to buy and sell every 5 years can he enjoy the asset enhancement. CPF interest should be pegged to GDP growth but that is only a dream if MBT is in charge.
 

gerard126333

Alfrescian
Loyal
only PAP and the elites are allow to make big money, sinkies are not suppose to make big capital gain. Understand!!!!!!!



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Why WP's ideas are flawed: Mah
National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan yesterday gave three reasons why the Workers' Party's proposal to lower new flat prices by pegging them to median incomes rather than market forces is flawed

FIRST, the WP's proposal to price HDB new flats much lower than current levels will devalue existing flats.

If new flat prices are significantly lowered, more flat buyers will buy new flats instead of resale flats. This will cause prices of resale flats to fall.

First- and second-time home buyers who buy resale flats constituted over half (17,000 out of 32,000, or 53 per cent) of total resale transactions in 2010. They are eligible to buy new flats from HDB.

If we depress new flat prices, many of them will switch to buying new flats. This will lengthen waiting time for all new flat buyers and depress prices of resale flats. This must impact the flat values of the existing one million HDB home owners, and sooner rather than later.

Second, the WP is against the asset enhancement policy.

It blames HDB's upgrading programmes for pushing up flat prices. The PAP's home ownership and rejuvenation programmes - such as Remaking Our Heartland, Lift Upgrading Programme (LUP), Home Improvement Programme (HIP) and Neighbourhood Renewal Programme (NRP) - have made the HDB flat an asset, whose value appreciates in tandem with our economic growth.

In recent years, the Government has incurred deficits of about $1 billion each year in the home ownership programme and committed another $1 billion each year in rejuvenation programmes to benefit Singaporeans.

Why is the WP against upgrading programmes which enhance the value of Singaporeans' homes, and enable the people to enjoy the fruits of Singapore's progress? Why does the WP want to push down the value of all existing HDB flats?

Finally, the WP's proposal to lower flat prices by paying less for the land is an illegal raid on our reserves.

Under our Constitution, after every general election, the new Government is required to manage its expenditure based on its current revenue during its term in office.

It cannot use assets which have been accumulated under previous governments, unless the Elected President (EP) agrees. These assets are reserves protected by the EP for future generations of Singaporeans. This system was put in to prevent a profligate government spending money which it had not accumulated.

State land forms part of the reserves protected by the EP. When the Government takes state land from the reserves to use, for example for public housing, it has to pay the full value of the land back into the reserves, to replace the land which it has used.

This land value is determined by the Chief Valuer, according to objective market conditions and established valuation principles. In this case, it is valued for public housing, which is already lower than for private housing.

The Government cannot arbitrarily price state land higher or lower as it pleases. Nor can it appoint a Chief Valuer to do its bidding, because the Chief Valuer's appointment is protected, and subject to the approval of the EP.

Paying less for land to build flats is thus not a casual matter of 'left pocket to right pocket' as the WP have put it, but of raiding our reserves (contrary to our Constitution), which are meant for future generations, and spending the money on ourselves now. This is precisely what the EP was created to prevent.

Not coincidentally, the WP manifesto also advocates abolishing the EP. Its motive is clearly to remove the constitutional safeguards, so that it can raid the reserves to fund irresponsible spending. Is this what the WP means when it offers itself as a 'responsible' alternative to the PAP?'

AGAINST PROGRESS?

'Why is the WP against upgrading programmes which enhance the value of Singaporeans' homes, and enable the people to enjoy the fruits of Singapore's progress? Why does the WP want to push down the value of all existing HDB flats?'

National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan, questioning the WP's proposal to lower flat prices

Minister Mah, if you are reading this can i you a question?
My question is why are PRs allowed to buy Hdb flats?
Aren't Hdb flats supposed to be for Singapore citizens only?
 
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