• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Looming street protests over China a test for Vietnam

Awake

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset

Looming street protests over China a test for Vietnam


Anger over an oil rig deployed by Beijing in a disputed area of the South China Sea drives rare public demonstrations in Vietnam


PUBLISHED : Saturday, 10 May, 2014, 2:04pm
UPDATED : Saturday, 10 May, 2014, 4:59pm

Associated Press in Hanoi

tensions_han02_42809243.jpg


Protesters shout as they hold an anti-China banner which reads, "down with China" at a park in front of Chinese embassy in Hanoi on Friday. Photo: Reuters

Vietnamese anger toward China is running at its highest level in years after Beijing deployed an oil rig in disputed waters. That’s posing a tricky question for Vietnam’s leaders: To what extent should they allow public protests that could morph into those against their own authoritarian rule?

At one level, the ruling Communist Party would like to harness the anger on the street to amplify its own indignation against China and garner international sympathy as naval ships from both countries engage in a tense stand-off near the rig off the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea.

But Vietnam’s government instinctively distrusts public gatherings of any sort, much less ones that risk posing a threat to public order. And they also know that members of the country’s dissident movement are firmly embedded inside the anti-China one, and have used the issue to mobilize support in the past.

The two Asian nations have a history of conflict going back 1,000 years, and the streets of Vietnam’s cities are named after heroes in those fights. In the more recent past, the navies have twice had deadly engagements in the South China Sea. There was a brief but bloody border war in 1979. All have a created a deep well of mistrust toward China among ordinary Vietnamese.

Yet the two countries share a Communist ideology and close economic ties, making the China-Vietnam relationship highly sensitive topic. The latest round of tension — the worst since 1988, when 64 Vietnamese sailors were killed in a clash with the Chinese navy — had led to fresh and awkward questions over that relationship, a normally taboo topic in the state-controlled media.

“It’s time for the Communist Party of Vietnam to reconsider all its policy toward Beijing ... Vietnam should immediately abandon Beijing as an economic and a political model,” Huy Duc, one of Vietnam’s best known bloggers wrote in a recent post. “Hopefully, the drilling rig 981 incident will awaken the Communist Party of Vietnam to be on the side of the people and drive out the Beijing expansionists.”

11.jpg


A Chinese ship uses water cannon on a Vietnamese Sea Guard ship on the South China Sea near the Paracels islands. Photo: Reuters

The first test for the government looks set to be this weekend. A statement widely circulated on Facebook and dissident blogs called for protests on Sunday morning in Hanoi outside the Chinese Embassy and a Chinese cultural centre in Ho Chi Minh City. In past years, authorities have only allowed anti-China demonstrators to walk around a lake in downtown Hanoi.

“Facing the danger of Chinese aggression appropriating the sacred East Sea, the source of livelihood of the Vietnamese over generations, we are determined not to compromise,” according to a statement posted alongside the protest call that used the Vietnamese term for the South China Sea.

“We cannot continue to compromise and be vile and sinful to our heroic ancestors and feel ashamed before our future generations,” it said.

The last time there was a flare-up in the South China Sea in 2011, anti-Chinese protests lasted weeks, and some protesters voiced slogans against the government. Authorities used force to break them up.

“The state is in a truly difficult position,” said Jonathon London, an expert on Vietnam at Hong Kong’s City University. “By expressing its stern objections to China, it also invites expressions of dissent from Vietnamese that can take multiple forms. Certainly there is some overlap between those who want to express their anger at China, and those who are calling for basic reforms.”

Vietnam’s first response to the rig’s deployment close to the Paracel Islands was to send ships to try and stop the rig from starting drilling, and demand Beijing withdraw. Each side accuses the other of ramming their boats. China has said it is staying put and called on Vietnam to pull back its ships.

Vietnam now finds itself pleading its case internationally but without any kind of solid alliance with a powerful country that that might make China listen more carefully. It can’t afford to do anything that would severely rupture ties with Beijing because it is the country’s largest trading partner.

That argument doesn’t wash with everyone, however.

“You can’t use the importance of the relationship as an excuse not to do anything,” said Nguyen Quang A, a respected academic who has been a frequent attendee of anti-China protests in the past. “I think what they did with sending the coast guard vessels was OK, but they have to be much stronger on the diplomatic and legal field.”

China has announced the rig will stay in the area until August, meaning tensions are likely to remain until then.

Experts say the incident might push Vietnam closer to the Philippines, which also is engaged in territorial disputes with China, or toward the United States, which wants closer ties with Vietnam as part of its efforts to counter Chinese influence in Asia.

Last year, the Philippines filed a case against the Chinese claim at a UN tribunal, to the displeasure of Beijing. Many analysts believe that Vietnam will now be seriously considering filing its own appeal or joining Manila, opening a diplomatic and legal front against Beijing.

“That’s the one arrow left in their quiver other than shooting,” said David Brown, a former US diplomat and Vietnam observer.

 

Sinkie

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Complain so what about China for fuck, Vietnam idiots.......it's the French and Americans who raped your women.......

In ancient times, China just wanted homage, not your women............Get real pleasssseee.......
 

IBelieve

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset

Large protests in Vietnam over China oil rig


AFP
May 11, 2014, 3:05 pm

62de50ece35cb9ec7cfda81439b6ba28865eadc4-19mu1l4.jpg


Hanoi (AFP) - Protesters staged one of Vietnam's largest ever anti-China demonstrations Sunday, decrying Beijing's deployment of a deep-water drilling rig in contested waters as territorial tensions soar.

Some 1,000 people, from war veterans to students, waved banners saying "China don't steal our oil" and "Silence is cowardly" -- a dig at Hanoi's handling of the dispute -- and sang patriotic songs in a park opposite the Chinese Embassy.

"This is the largest anti-Chinese demonstration I have ever seen in Hanoi," said war veteran Dang Quang Thang, 74.

"Our patience has limits. We are here to express the will of the Vietnamese people to defend our territory at all costs. We are ready to die to protect our nation," he told AFP.

Hundreds of plain clothes and uniformed police set up barricades to prevent protesters approaching the Chinese Embassy compound but made no move to break up the rowdy demonstration, even though the communist regime normally tightly controls any public expression of discontent.

Dozens of anti-China demonstrations have been held in Vietnam since 2007 to protest Beijing's perceived aggression over territory.

The two countries are locked in long-standing territorial disputes over the Paracel and Spratly islands, which both claim, and often trade diplomatic barbs over oil exploration and fishing rights in the contested waters.

Tensions between the communist neighbours have risen sharply since China unilaterally announced in early May it would move a deep-water drilling rig into disputed waters -- a move the United States has described as "provocative".

Vietnam said China's decision was "illegal", demanded the rig be withdrawn, and dispatched vessels to the area -- which it claims were subsequently attacked and rammed by Chinese ships.

Vietnam has alternated between tolerating anti-China rallies and violently breaking them up. The communist regime is wary of public gatherings that could threaten its authoritarian rule.

However, on Sunday it appeared there was a pro-government faction within the demonstration, including young protesters clad in t-shirts bearing Vietnam's revered founding president Ho Chi Minh's face, waving the communist hammer and sickle flag while shouting "Down with China!"

Other dissident-aligned factions at the protest were more critical of the Vietnamese government's handling of the dispute and used the opportunity to call for changes to the one-party state.

"We want to send a message to the Vietnamese government also -- they are responsible for this situation," demonstrator Tran Xuan Bach told AFP.

Protests also broke out in central Danang town and southern Ho Chi Minh City Sunday.

Vietnam's tightly-controlled state media have covered the oil rig dispute closely and reported on the demonstrations. There was no official comment from the government.

 
Top