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Long-term Bearish on China

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Long-term Bearish on China

By: Steve Saville | Mon, Apr 12, 2010

With China's banking system being slightly less transparent than the average house brick, there is no telling how big the bubble will get before it bursts.

As discussed in a previous commentary, if the government doesn't deliberately deflate the bubble it could continue until the effects of the massive monetary inflation become evident in food prices. Once this happens, the political cost of not stopping the inflation will, we think, be greater than the political cost of continuing it.

It is not possible to know, in advance, when a great credit bubble will burst. Also, it is dangerous to bet against a bubble because the nature of these things is to go on for much longer than a rational observer would expect.

What we do know is that when they burst the result always includes a severe economic downturn and the wiping out of much of the 'wealth' that was created during the bubble years.

We think it's a good bet that China's government will make the same mistakes that were made by the US government during the 1930s, Japan's government post-1990 and the current US government, thus setting the stage for a long-term decline once the bubble eventually bursts. This is the main reason we are long-term bearish on China's economy.

As things now stand, we are inclined to give China's bubble the benefit of the doubt; meaning that we are disinclined to bet on falling Chinese asset prices at this time. It looks like China's stock market, as represented on the following chart by the Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index (SSEC), made a major peak in 2007 and is in the midst of a post-crash rebound, but the post-crash rebound may not be complete. A signal as to whether or not it is complete will be the direction of the breakout from the triangular pattern that the SSEC has traced out since last August. A downside breakout from this pattern could be interpreted as a warning that the credit bubble is in trouble, although it should be noted that the epicentre of China's boom is the property market, not the stock market.

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http://www.safehaven.com/article/16406/long-term-bearish-on-china
 

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Long-term Bearish on China

By: Steve Saville | Mon, Apr 12, 2010

With China's banking system being slightly less transparent than the average house brick, there is no telling how big the bubble will get before it bursts.

As discussed in a previous commentary, if the government doesn't deliberately deflate the bubble it could continue until the effects of the massive monetary inflation become evident in food prices. Once this happens, the political cost of not stopping the inflation will, we think, be greater than the political cost of continuing it.

It is not possible to know, in advance, when a great credit bubble will burst. Also, it is dangerous to bet against a bubble because the nature of these things is to go on for much longer than a rational observer would expect.

What we do know is that when they burst the result always includes a severe economic downturn and the wiping out of much of the 'wealth' that was created during the bubble years.

We think it's a good bet that China's government will make the same mistakes that were made by the US government during the 1930s, Japan's government post-1990 and the current US government, thus setting the stage for a long-term decline once the bubble eventually bursts. This is the main reason we are long-term bearish on China's economy.

As things now stand, we are inclined to give China's bubble the benefit of the doubt; meaning that we are disinclined to bet on falling Chinese asset prices at this time. It looks like China's stock market, as represented on the following chart by the Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index (SSEC), made a major peak in 2007 and is in the midst of a post-crash rebound, but the post-crash rebound may not be complete. A signal as to whether or not it is complete will be the direction of the breakout from the triangular pattern that the SSEC has traced out since last August. A downside breakout from this pattern could be interpreted as a warning that the credit bubble is in trouble, although it should be noted that the epicentre of China's boom is the property market, not the stock market.

16406.png


http://www.safehaven.com/article/16406/long-term-bearish-on-china

This angmoh is fork-tongued. I read through the article twice and still dun understand what the fuck he is trying to say.

Go in or dun go in? Bubble or not bubble. He says it is a bubble but he does not mind jumping in as well. (But he covers his backside with a "at the moment").

The best part is his "inclination" to give the bubble benefit of the doubt and "disinclination" to bet against rising property prices.

Where did you get this shit from?
 

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If he cannot convince then he will confuse. The oldest book in the trick for people who wants to be able to swing either way when it happens.



This angmoh is fork-tongued. I read through the article twice and still dun understand what the fuck he is trying to say.

Go in or dun go in? Bubble or not bubble. He says it is a bubble but he does not mind jumping in as well. (But he covers his backside with a "at the moment").

The best part is his "inclination" to give the bubble benefit of the doubt and "disinclination" to bet against rising property prices.

Where did you get this shit from?
 

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read on a article about the china property scene. for the first time since 1998. it's no longer showing a positive return.

there's always a saying in china about the property market. "only way is up".

no longer true.
 

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read on a article about the china property scene. for the first time since 1998. it's no longer showing a positive return.

there's always a saying in china about the property market. "only way is up".

no longer true.

The property bubble is the most dangerous type to handle when
trying to make a soft landing.
 

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Me feel still plenty of growth but need to digest for a few years. Current property market kena turbo charged because of the stimulus package in 08.

Fundamentally, China is probably like Singapore in the 70s. Orchard Road is developed but Sengkang, Sembawang, Tuas all ulu. Even areas like Serangoon Gdns was considered ulu.

read on a article about the china property scene. for the first time since 1998. it's no longer showing a positive return.

there's always a saying in china about the property market. "only way is up".

no longer true.
 
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