Local Indians' views on Indian FTs in SG

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'I'm an Indian Singaporean. Growing up, I experienced every level of racial insensitivity as a member of a minority group. Yet I learnt from each incident and today, I am equally comfortable chatting up a kopitiam auntie in Hokkien as I am making a full-blown presentation to a room full of conservative Chinese businessmen in a mix of English and Mandarin. Singapore is my country and I love it and the Singaporean way of life, warts and all.
I say all this to give context to what I'm about to say next: In my 42 years as a Singaporean, I have never witnessed the kind of racial insensitivity that the Indian expats have for Singaporeans.
I work in an industry that has embraced Indian expats in a big way. I constantly come into contact with Indian expats because of my older daughter, who goes to kindergarten and other enrichment courses that either Indian expats enrol their children in, to get a leg up, or pull them out of because the school isn't up to their impossible expectations.
Indian expats, I feel, seem to confuse the growing economic stature of their homeland with some sort of licence to be loud and boorish, and to have absolute leeway to be rude and inconsiderate to others, especially to people who they perceive to be below their stations, like coffee-shop aunties, taxi uncles, waiters and waitresses and so on. That to me is the biggest issue I have with the Indian expat community here.
So if you ask me, I'd say the Indian expat needs to take a long, hard look at himself. If he doubts me, all he has to do is pretend to be a local Indian and speak to a cross-section of Singaporeans.'
Mr Anand Vathiyar, in an e-mail.
[email protected]

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[Sperminator]

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'I'm an Indian Singaporean. Growing up, I experienced every level of racial insensitivity as a member of a minority group. Yet I learnt from each incident and today, I am equally comfortable chatting up a kopitiam auntie in Hokkien as I am making a full-blown presentation to a room full of conservative Chinese businessmen in a mix of English and Mandarin. Singapore is my country and I love it and the Singaporean way of life, warts and all.
I say all this to give context to what I'm about to say next: In my 42 years as a Singaporean, I have never witnessed the kind of racial insensitivity that the Indian expats have for Singaporeans.
I work in an industry that has embraced Indian expats in a big way. I constantly come into contact with Indian expats because of my older daughter, who goes to kindergarten and other enrichment courses that either Indian expats enrol their children in, to get a leg up, or pull them out of because the school isn't up to their impossible expectations.
Indian expats, I feel, seem to confuse the growing economic stature of their homeland with some sort of licence to be loud and boorish, and to have absolute leeway to be rude and inconsiderate to others, especially to people who they perceive to be below their stations, like coffee-shop aunties, taxi uncles, waiters and waitresses and so on. That to me is the biggest issue I have with the Indian expat community here.
So if you ask me, I'd say the Indian expat needs to take a long, hard look at himself. If he doubts me, all he has to do is pretend to be a local Indian and speak to a cross-section of Singaporeans.'
Mr Anand Vathiyar, in an e-mail.
[email protected]

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Dear Makapaa,

Thank you for being such a great contributor of current affairs information to be discussed...

You are doing a good service, which I enjoyed most of the articles very much.

Have a great weekend.

 

[scroobal]

I once accompanied a local Indian to India. This chap had links to family in India as well and had gone there a number of times and was familiar with the country. The moment he landed in India, he was changed man. He was basically a tyrant, shouting, demanding being absolutely rude to taxi drivers, waiters and anyone who he considered below his station. He however was very endearing to those who were client and their bosses.

I took him aside after he screwed a rickshaw puller over a few cents. He told me when in rome do what the romans. I guess these people must learn that they have left India.

Dear Makapaa,

Thank you for being such a great contributor of current affairs information to be discussed...

You are doing a good service, which I enjoyed most of the articles very much.

Have a great weekend.

 

[Sperminator]

I once accompanied a local Indian to India. This chap had links to family in India as well and had gone there a number of times and was familiar with the country. The moment he landed in India, he was changed man. He was basically a tyrant, shouting, demanding being absolutely rude to taxi drivers, waiters and anyone who he considered below his station. He however was very endearing to those who were client and their bosses.

I took him aside after he screwed a rickshaw puller over a few cents. He told me when in rome do what the romans. I guess these people must learn that they have left India.

Let me share with you an interesting observation through the years in China.

Singaporeans are really a friendly bunch of nice people. Really.

When I was in China, I was my usual courteous self, as if I am in SINGAPORE.

However, the net outcome is that I was taken advantage of, and taken for a ride. Instances like receiving fake notes, being overcharged, and politicized by local staffs when working there...

It's quite funny, it's exactly the opposite of your story.

So, I realized that in China, to get by, just remain neutral, no need to reveal your identity, just state your requirements and do your stuff, remain as a mystery, that always works...

Of course, we have to have an open mind to understand the situation of the country, and adapt accordingly to their culture, and their social norms.

I guess when your friend behaved differently is due to the fact that in India, they still practice the Caste System (although abolished, but some pigs are more equal than others)

In China, the funny thing is that MOST PEOPLE are NOT courteous at all, and you'll get a feeling of fakeness in them, most people put on a facade, when they do not know you, however, when they know you well, and long enough, they are really nice people (applies to nice people, but not to tricksters, note that in china there are 1.3 billion people, the law of statistics apply)

So, it's really socially acceptable to talk rudely to these people... crazy huh?

I don't do that, but my PRC friends do it... gesh...

 

[po2wq]

... Indian expats, I feel, seem to confuse the growing economic stature of their homeland with some sort of licence to be loud and boorish, and to have absolute leeway to be rude and inconsiderate to others, especially to people who they perceive to be below their stations, like coffee-shop aunties, taxi uncles, waiters and waitresses and so on. ...

dat sounds exactly like ze ugly sporeans wen dey go overseas ...

 

[scroobal]

Agree with you. It was eye opener for me and I realised that you have do that in China, Eastern Europe where survival comes forth. Nepal was one country where people were really nice even when they met you for the first time.

Let me share with you an interesting observation through the years in China.

Singaporeans are really a friendly bunch of nice people. Really.

When I was in China, I was my usual courteous self, as if I am in SINGAPORE.

However, the net outcome is that I was taken advantage of, and taken for a ride. Instances like receiving fake notes, being overcharged, and politicized by local staffs when working there...

It's quite funny, it's exactly the opposite of your story.

So, I realized that in China, to get by, just remain neutral, no need to reveal your identity, just state your requirements and do your stuff, remain as a mystery, that always works...

Of course, we have to have an open mind to understand the situation of the country, and adapt accordingly to their culture, and their social norms.

I guess when your friend behaved differently is due to the fact that in India, they still practice the Caste System (although abolished, but some pigs are more equal than others)

In China, the funny thing is that MOST PEOPLE are NOT courteous at all, and you'll get a feeling of fakeness in them, most people put on a facade, when they do not know you, however, when they know you well, and long enough, they are really nice people (applies to nice people, but not to tricksters, note that in china there are 1.3 billion people, the law of statistics apply)

So, it's really socially acceptable to talk rudely to these people... crazy huh?

I don't do that, but my PRC friends do it... gesh...

 

[holyman]

I think every race has its likeable and diabolical triats, many of which is inculcated through centuries of culture and parental upbringing...

The Indians...a race that have been "inferior" after years of british rule, scietificically they have the nearest gene code to the caucasian, they still practise gender discrimination (males favoured over females) as well as a socially and mentally ingrain caste system...they have one of the largest population in the world, and like most populated countries, jobs are hard to come by, meaning one will have to cheat and lie just to put food on the table, and add to their cultural ego, e.g. i am a man and from a "premium" caste group, i cannot allow my wife and in laws to look down on me, hence the constant lies and "superior" attitude. Alcohol dependence is also in their genes, but they use it more as a stress reliever for all those lies rather than as a relaxant. And to add on, corruption is also very rampant in India, with a majority paying for their driving licenses and other things liike degrees etc...

what more to say, for a country with a population of 1 billion, they produce an obscure amount of atheletes (i can only think of those who play crickets, and one or two soccer players in the championship), world class researchers or inventors(speaking from the medical field where I do read quite a bot of journals, and where there are a huge influx of Indian Drs) world class self made entreprenuers (we do not count billionaires as most of them are in family business that deals in commodities)...

Anyway its not all bad. India is a beautiful country, they have beautiful women (and many of the local Indian girls like Chinese guys, most of them make good wives as they still follow a certain degree of tradition) and their food is nice.

The behavior of FTs in SG currently are like parasites, one day they will take over the country...God bless the government...however SGreans take it in stride, by the time you decide to migrate, you would have acquired a lot of knowledge on other races and this adds to our survivor skills as well...

 

[Sperminator]

I think every race has its likeable and diabolical triats, many of which is inculcated through centuries of culture and parental upbringing...
.....
Anyway its not all bad. India is a beautiful country, they have beautiful women (and many of the local Indian girls like Chinese guys, most of them make good wives as they still follow a certain degree of tradition) and their food is nice.

The behavior of FTs in SG currently are like parasites, one day they will take over the country...God bless the government...however SGreans take it in stride, by the time you decide to migrate, you would have acquired a lot of knowledge on other races and this adds to our survivor skills as well...

Dear Holyman, thank you for your short overview of INDIA.

In fact, I was thinking just now that with everyone's kind input, we can really piece a very good picture of things going out there.

I have heard that the Northern Indian women / girls are pretty, and some in Kashmir (a debated state of India & Pakistan) have BLUE EYES. It's paradise city... however I've only heard, seen on TV, and read about it.

The part about bribing Car License officials, and University Principals are so similar in China as well... it's quite easy for people to make passport, make documents, sometimes make ID, and many more, all depends on your ANG PAO... the magical red packet does the trick.

To me, I've really not been INDIA before... now with more flights directly accessible from SGP, I can see that the business activities with INDIA & SINGAPORE are getting more.

Every race have it's unique traits, it's positives and negatives...

And in National Geography, there was a chapter about the case that all of us originally started in the southern part of AFRICA... and when everyone's DNA are checked, it's concluded that it's 99.9% similar to each other... meaning to say, we are all Brothers and Sisters... funny thought...

However, linked to the Story of ADAM & EVE for GENESIS

Anyways, as long as the FTs don't cross my path and not make my life miserable, I am okay with their presence, however, when they start to take things for granted... and start to bring THEIR culture and erode ours... then we really have to take some actions...

However, it is interesting to note that the CHINESE culture could absorb any cultures and turn them into one of them... for 2 examples, the YUAN DYNASTY and the QING DYNASTY were absorbed into the CHINESE CULTURE...

(Come to think of it, what does Singapore Culture have?)

Uniquely Singapore? I only think that Singapore have good food, peaceful environment, great economic infrastructure, and a docile workforce and people... is that unique? I don't know.

 

[limpeh2]

I have heard that the Northern Indian women / girls are pretty, and some in Kashmir (a debated state of India & Pakistan) have BLUE EYES. It's paradise city... however I've only heard, seen on TV, and read about it.

They're only pretty in the eyes of an Asian SPG.

Every race have it's unique traits, it's positives and negatives...

And in National Geography, there was a chapter about the case that all of us originally started in the southern part of AFRICA... and when everyone's DNA are checked, it's concluded that it's 99.9% similar to each other... meaning to say, we are all Brothers and Sisters... funny thought...

Since all edible fungi are related to toxic toadstools, I'm sure you've not problems popping some toadstools in your mouth.

Anyways, as long as the FTs don't cross my path and not make my life miserable, I am okay with their presence, however, when they start to take things for granted... and start to bring THEIR culture and erode ours... then we really have to take some actions...

Most of them're dirt cheap economic parasites here to hemmorhage the economy but are economic heroin for bloody greedy businesses. These newcomers're UNLIKELY to stay as assimilate as true citizens? Why?

Because it's easier to fly home when they've earned enough.

Because of more effective international transportation unlike during our ancestors' time, 80-100 years back, where people ACTUALLY needed to stay in ships for many months or even years, and died en masse from poor hygiene and rampant diseases. Can't imagine too many rich immigrants risking such perilous journeys to return home.

However, it is interesting to note that the CHINESE culture could absorb any cultures and turn them into one of them... for 2 examples, the YUAN DYNASTY and the QING DYNASTY were absorbed into the CHINESE CULTURE...

That was only possible because they all looked almost alike & were practical. If these 'assimilated' Chinese ethnicities all looked remarkably different (e.g. blue eyes, yellow hair) from the Han, either 1 of 2 things would happen, genocide or perpetual warfare & a rigid caste system.

That's why we can never truly assimilate with angmos without being the permanent low man on the totem pole anymore than we can expect the angmos to assimilate into Asian culture. Appearance can be a remarkable deterrent & cause for incompatibility unless one side is prepared to swallow its collective pride & lose its distinctiveness.

 

[Sperminator]

That's why we can never truly assimilate with angmos without being the permanent low man on the totem pole anymore than we can expect the angmos to assimilate into Asian culture. Appearance can be a remarkable deterrent & cause for incompatibility unless one side is prepared to swallow its collective pride & lose its distinctiveness.

Thanks for the wise words Limpeh2....

Now it's up to us show the FTs who are truly on a boat!

Singapore is so small that it can be a boat, and the 3 people that you see could be represented as TRUE BLUE SINGAPOREANS, and the FTs newbies are those that are not on the BOAT....

ENJOY!!!

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THE LONELY ISLAND - I'm on a boat

LISTEN TO THE LYRICS CAREFULLY YOU FT!

 

[Unrepented]

I agree with you bro. And I appreciate your frankness.

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'I'm an Indian Singaporean. Growing up, I experienced every level of racial insensitivity as a member of a minority group. Yet I learnt from each incident and today, I am equally comfortable chatting up a kopitiam auntie in Hokkien as I am making a full-blown presentation to a room full of conservative Chinese businessmen in a mix of English and Mandarin. Singapore is my country and I love it and the Singaporean way of life, warts and all.
I say all this to give context to what I'm about to say next: In my 42 years as a Singaporean, I have never witnessed the kind of racial insensitivity that the Indian expats have for Singaporeans.
I work in an industry that has embraced Indian expats in a big way. I constantly come into contact with Indian expats because of my older daughter, who goes to kindergarten and other enrichment courses that either Indian expats enrol their children in, to get a leg up, or pull them out of because the school isn't up to their impossible expectations.
Indian expats, I feel, seem to confuse the growing economic stature of their homeland with some sort of licence to be loud and boorish, and to have absolute leeway to be rude and inconsiderate to others, especially to people who they perceive to be below their stations, like coffee-shop aunties, taxi uncles, waiters and waitresses and so on. That to me is the biggest issue I have with the Indian expat community here.
So if you ask me, I'd say the Indian expat needs to take a long, hard look at himself. If he doubts me, all he has to do is pretend to be a local Indian and speak to a cross-section of Singaporeans.'
Mr Anand Vathiyar, in an e-mail.
[email protected]

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