LHL needs 6 ministers to hold his hand

[VIBGYOR]

Our PM Lee has a grand total of 6 ministers helping him.

SM Lee & MM Goh give advice

DPM Wong and Jaya are immediate sidekicks

Then we have PMO Ministers Swee Say and Boon Heng to do the photostating??

Let's say each minister costs $2 mil, that means our $3 mil PM still needs a $12 mil walking stick!

How does Obama manage to do it with only 1 VP?

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[Alu862]

Obama has one Chief of Staff, two deputy COS and three personal advisers plus Biden. Plus his Executive Office.

 

[Cthulhu]

White House Chief of Staff is not a full fledged elected minister. It's closer to a senior civil servant. Apples and orange comparison.

The President's Office of USA is roughly equal to our PMO.
In USA, their ministers and called Secretaries.
We have the specific post of Minister, PM Office.
USA does not a Secretary, President's Office.

Senior Minister and Minister Mentor, to the best of my knowledge have no equivalent in the civilized world.

Countries like Australia, NZ, Germany, USA and Matland have only one Deputy PM / Chancellor or Vice President. Britain currently has none. Singapore, which is a peesai interms of global influence, geographical size and economy needs 2.

 

[commoner]

The SM & MM is behind giving advice pulling the strings and change diapers.

The other 4 guys is like secret service, anything happens they block the bullet.

 

[Papsmearer]

White House Chief of Staff is not a full fledged elected minister. It's closer to a senior civil servant. Apples and orange comparison.

The President's Office of USA is roughly equal to our PMO.
In USA, their ministers and called Secretaries.
We have the specific post of Minister, PM Office.
USA does not a Secretary, President's Office.

Senior Minister and Minister Mentor, to the best of my knowledge have no equivalent in the civilized world.

Countries like Australia, NZ, Germany, USA and Matland have only one Deputy PM / Chancellor or Vice President. Britain currently has none. Singapore, which is a peesai interms of global influence, geographical size and economy needs 2.

What u say is absolutely true. That is why every one in the world except Sinkies know that this is legal corruption. Don't forget that each MM, SM ,and other PMO ministers have their own entourage, and office. Their office budget is something like 150% of their salary. So, if the Minister gets paid $2 million, he also gets a budget of another $3 million to run his office. This is particularly stupid because the SM and the MM can share the same office with the PM. After all they are supposed to be there to advise the PM, so, they might as well be on the same floor. This brings me to another point. Why does LHL need so many consultant ministers after he was on the job training for over 10 years. He was holding DPM, Minister of Finance and other portfolios for donkey number of years. Obama never had the luxury of his training, yet he needs so many assistant Ministers. Either he must be the slowest learner in the world or he is retarded. Also, look at the amount of overseas travelled put in by the SM and the MM. How can they be mentoring the PM when they are out of the country half the fucking time?

 

[Shi Jin]

Senior Minister and Minister Mentor, to the best of my knowledge have no equivalent in the civilized world.

Modern civilised world. Only in the ancient world do we find a equivalent.

太傅 Grand Tutor, 太师 Grand Preceptor

 

[Shi Jin]

The SM & MM is behind giving advice pulling the strings and change diapers.

The other 4 guys is like secret service, anything happens they block the bullet.

SM is there for show so that people cannot say he was just a seat warmer. MM is there because he wants to be there but his ego cannot accept the same title of SM so the title of MM was created just for his ego.

 

[Cthulhu]

What u say is absolutely true. That is why every one in the world except Sinkies know that this is legal corruption. Don't forget that each MM, SM ,and other PMO ministers have their own entourage, and office. Their office budget is something like 150% of their salary. So, if the Minister gets paid $2 million, he also gets a budget of another $3 million to run his office. This is particularly stupid because the SM and the MM can share the same office with the PM. After all they are supposed to be there to advise the PM, so, they might as well be on the same floor. This brings me to another point. Why does LHL need so many consultant ministers after he was on the job training for over 10 years. He was holding DPM, Minister of Finance and other portfolios for donkey number of years. Obama never had the luxury of his training, yet he needs so many assistant Ministers. Either he must be the slowest learner in the world or he is retarded. Also, look at the amount of overseas travelled put in by the SM and the MM. How can they be mentoring the PM when they are out of the country half the fucking time?

To add further points, one of Loong's advisors is a cho bo lan. He is so free he can visit his friend in hospital 5 times. One DPM is bloody useless as well. If not for his department's ineptitude, the CBL advisor wouldn't even need to visit his hospitalized friend.

 

[Zeitgeist]

The SM & MM is behind giving advice pulling the strings and change diapers.

The other 4 guys is like secret service, anything happens they block the bullet.

If my memory serves me correctly, this the chronology of the reports over a short period of time about LHL's lymphoma in 92'.

First the shocking report that both DPMs at the time LHL & OTC were diagnosed with lymphoma at the same time.

Next the Old Fart and the shadow dowager who were in South Africa were informed. KGC was reported to be devastated by the news. Mummy's favourite boy? Remember on LHL's first election speech in Raffles Place, the dowager was perched alone on Fullerton's rooftop observing her son's baptism. Bet she was overflowed with tears of pride!

Upon their return, in a press statement then SM Old Fart anguished over what he believed to be the cause of his son's illness. Stress from the labours of the responsibilities of office!

I guess, naturally Prince Loong had been kept from stressing himself into the return of Boss Grim Reaper!

Credit should be given though for the stoicism and calm displayed by LHL during that dark period.

Now for the naughty part. I would not not mind the job of taking a possible bullet if it pays $2 million a year.

I tried to apply for a job of "Grenade Eater" with Temasick but was told they already have two floors of that in the office building next to the Istana!


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[wusangui]

Modern civilised world. Only in the ancient world do we find a equivalent.

太傅 Grand Tutor, 太师 Grand Preceptor

what is 太宝?

 

[diversifyx2]

what is 太宝?

Are you talking about 太保？？

 

[batman1]

The MIW Elites is a bunch of shameful,irresponsible and insensitive blood-suckers !

 

[myo539]

Why are so many of you so jealous of LHL or the ministers? If you happens to be one of them - which I think hardly anyone will qualify - I think you would have your own lumpah stuck in your mouth.

 

[cass888]

Your post is misleading. Singapore is not like the US where the departments' functions are fixed. Under Westminster systems, functions of each Ministry are decided by the PM. E.g. in Malaysia, the law Minister is a PMD Minister as the "Law" subjects are parked in the PMD. It's the same for Singapore.

Also, firstly, DPM Wong and Jaya have their own ministries to oversee or run.

Secondly, LBH has his own "subjects" to take care of. It just happens to be parked under PMO rather than a separate ministry.

Thirdly, LSS's full time job is being Sec Gen of NTUC. Instead of being called "Minister without Portfolio" he is parked in the PMO.

Fourthly, SM has his own set of subjects. Again, it can be parked in a separate ministry but is not done so.

Maybe you prefer LBH and SM to head their own ministries with a full compliment of 2nd Ministers, Ministers of State, Parliamentary Secretaries and Permanent Secretaries?

Our PM Lee has a grand total of 6 ministers helping him.

SM Lee & MM Goh give advice

DPM Wong and Jaya are immediate sidekicks

Then we have PMO Ministers Swee Say and Boon Heng to do the photostating??

Let's say each minister costs $2 mil, that means our $3 mil PM still needs a $12 mil walking stick!

How does Obama manage to do it with only 1 VP?

http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=3in1kopitiam&msg=6065.3

 

[Pek Kim Lui]

Why are so many of you so jealous of LHL or the ministers? If you happens to be one of them - which I think hardly anyone will qualify - I think you would have your own lumpah stuck in your mouth.

What to do? My parents did not bring me up to be a brown noser

 

[The_Latest_H]

Our PM Lee has a grand total of 6 ministers helping him.

SM Lee & MM Goh give advice

DPM Wong and Jaya are immediate sidekicks

Then we have PMO Ministers Swee Say and Boon Heng to do the photostating??

Let's say each minister costs $2 mil, that means our $3 mil PM still needs a $12 mil walking stick!

How does Obama manage to do it with only 1 VP?

http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=3in1kopitiam&msg=6065.3

Its funny. Both Lee Hsien Loong and Obama are Harvard alumnis, and yet the former needs so much manpower, while Obama only has his VP and Chief of Staff as his closest advisers in the course of governing.

Something tells me that being a top lawyer(from Harvard Law Review) is more suitable in becoming a politician than an awkward-but-top Mathematician who was probably pressurised by his father to do politics, because his father was Prime Minister at that time.

In the end also, it comes down to personal character. Obama is much better because he was brought up in an ordinary fashion, a boy who has much luck, but also had to grow up in a streetwise fashion. One usually matures pretty quickly in such a situation. The other was wrapped in cotton wool since he was born. As such he reacts in a way that only a cotton wooled boy can react- badly, awkwardly, in a weird sense in manner.

 

[The_Latest_H]

Why are so many of you so jealous of LHL or the ministers? If you happens to be one of them - which I think hardly anyone will qualify - I think you would have your own lumpah stuck in your mouth.

I rather grow up ordinarily than have a dominating father who just wants you to follow his path and will micromanage endlessly to ensure such a situation.

Life would be nothing but hell when your future is taken away from you. Even your future wife is dictated by your father? What life is that when you don't even have the power to decide what kind of woman your future wife would want to be?

The money, in the end, is pointless. I'd not swap my life choices for a million dollars. Power to decide who you want to marry, what career you want, the type of lifestyle that suits you and your moral principles are priceless choices. You can't swap with money at all.

 

[makapaaa]

Modern civilised world. Only in the ancient world do we find a equivalent.

太傅 Grand Tutor, 太师 Grand Preceptor

Dun forget the Grand Emperor (太上皇）!

 

[Papsmearer]

Your post is misleading. Singapore is not like the US where the departments' functions are fixed. Under Westminster systems, functions of each Ministry are decided by the PM. E.g. in Malaysia, the law Minister is a PMD Minister as the "Law" subjects are parked in the PMD. It's the same for Singapore.

Also, firstly, DPM Wong and Jaya have their own ministries to oversee or run.

Secondly, LBH has his own "subjects" to take care of. It just happens to be parked under PMO rather than a separate ministry.

Thirdly, LSS's full time job is being Sec Gen of NTUC. Instead of being called "Minister without Portfolio" he is parked in the PMO.

Fourthly, SM has his own set of subjects. Again, it can be parked in a separate ministry but is not done so.

Maybe you prefer LBH and SM to head their own ministries with a full compliment of 2nd Ministers, Ministers of State, Parliamentary Secretaries and Permanent Secretaries?

I think u are missing the point here. Although u are right that DPM WOng Cunt Stink and DPM Jackyourmama have their own ministries to run, it than begs the question of why they are even made DPMs. In fact, given that now there is a MM and SM position, these are actually DPM positions, as they are supposed to assist the PM. The reason they are made DPMs is simply because these 2 retards are the favourites of MM. By being made DPMs, they can draw a salary from their own ministries and also from the PMO. They are doubled paid. Once a year, their ministry is supposed to sit down with the PMO to apportion the amount of time that each spends in his own ministry and in the PMO. They are than supposed to adjust the salary so that there is no duplication. For example, Wong Cunt Stink is being paid $3 million from the Ministry of Home Affairs, but he spends 30% of the year on DPM business. The PMO is supposed to reimburse MHA for the 30% of his salary. In reality, there is no public oversight into this apportioning process, so whether this happens or not, is really up to speculation. In fact, it probably does not happen. Hence, The DPMs draw a full salary from their own ministries and than a partial one from the PMO.

 

[The_Latest_H]

Papsmearer, I think in the end, this argument about DPMs and MM and SM, are just an exercise by them to justify- or lack of it- why Singapore needs 4 people to assist the PM.

The fact is that in the Westminster system, there's only a Prime Minister, and One Deputy Prime Minister. The DPM is the closest adviser to the Prime Minister and assist in the running of the country, and takes over temporarily domestically when the PM is overseas or on his/her holidays.

The DPM also takes over permanently if the PM is incapacitated, or impeached, and unable to fulfill his/her duties as PM. In the end there's no-one above the PM really. Even the Chief Of Staff to the Prime Minister is of lower rank and earns far less than the PM.

Therefore if there's ever a good chance an opposition party or coalition has
in winning a majority of votes and seats in an election in the future, then I think its valid for them to make a pledge to streamline the bureaucracy both in the civil service and also in the political apparatus- to ensure taxpayers money are not wasted because of political self-interest by the previous government.