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Let's stop trying to cure cancer, says cancer professor​

Cancer cells


Cancer will evolve to get past any treatment to kill it and so scientists should develop ways to manage it Credit: Wellcome Collection




Sarah Knapton
29 August 2014 7:00am BST
Sarah Knapton




Most cancers cannot be cured and scientists should give up trying and, instead, look for ways to manage the disease, the director of the Centre for Evolution and Cancer at The Institute of Cancer Research, has claimed.

Professor Mel Greaves, an expert in childhood leukaemia, said developing more advanced cures would only lead to cancer cells becoming more resistant to treatment.

He believes that scientists should focus on prevention, such as giving aspirin to all over 50s to stop the onset of stomach cancer, and stalling the disease once it has emerged.

“With a lot of respect to oncologists we need to get smarter,” he told journalists at a press briefing in London yesterday.

“Very intelligent people who aren't scientifically minded think there must be a cause, there must be a cure and it’s just not right. It’s fundamentally wrong.

"Talking about a cure in terms of elimination is just not very realistic. There are some examples of it. Childhood leukaemia had a cure rate now of 90 per cent but that is an exception.

“There are a few cancers that are curable but most are probably not including the common carcinomas in adults.

“We should be a bit more subtle. We should not try to eliminate the cancer, we should try to hold it in check.”


Many institutions are attempting to find cures for individual cancers using increasingly advanced methods.

They include ramping up the body’s own immune system to fight the disease; personalised treatments based on the DNA of the tumours and gene therapies.

But Prof Greaves believes no therapy will work in the long term because tumours continue to evolve like all life-forms. He is a leading figure in the study of cancer evolution – the Darwinian process by which cancer cells mutate and diversify by natural selection within our tissue ecosystems

“You must have noticed that when you read reports about new target therapies, isn’t it odd that they work dramatically, but three months later (cancer) is back with a bang. It’s almost always the story.

"I would argue that if you look at the age distribution of cancers, most people are in the 60s, 70s and 80s. If you could slow everything down for 10 to 15 years, maybe 20, then that would be a huge advance.

"It is wrong to think we need some fancy therapy that kills it. I think slowing it down is a much more interesting proposition. “

However, leading cancer expert Professor Karol Sikora, Dean of Medicine at the University of Buckingham, said he was confident cures could still be found.


“I think this is a pessimistic view, and strange given that Professor Greaves has done so much to help find a cure for leukaemia.

“I absolutely think we will find new cures in the future and the closer we get to understanding the mechanism of the disease, the quicker this will happen.”

There are more than 200 types of cancer and more than 330,000 people are diagnosed each year. More than one in three people will develop some form of cancer in their lifetime.

Breast, lung, prostate and bowl account for more than half of all new cancers each year and more than a third of cancers are diagnosed in people over the age of 75.

Half of people now survive cancer for at least 10 years and survival rates have doubled in the UK in the last 40 years. But it still causes more than one in four of all deaths.

Prof Greaves said that preventing cancer should be of primary importance, using drugs which tackle the ‘ecosystem’ of the disease – by changing the chemical make-up of the body.

“I think one of the best drugs that exists is aspirin. It’s fantastic what it does. There is a big debate about whether we should all take aspirin over a certain age. I think over 50 we probably should, because it has a huge impact on gastro-intestinal cancers.


“Here is another drug that doesn’t attempt to kill the cancer; it simply tries to restrain it.”

However Professor Peter Johnson, chief clinician at Cancer Research UK said many people had already seen their cancers cured.

“We already have cures for many types of cancer. For example, millions of people who have had breast cancer, prostate cancer or bowel cancer are alive years after their surgery to remove the tumour, if it was caught early enough," he said.

“However, when people talk about a cure for cancer they usually mean drugs, and here things are more complicated. Cancer isn’t just one disease – there are hundreds of types, and as we understand the genetic signatures of individual tumours it’s becoming clear that each person’s cancer is as unique as they are – so it’s simplistic to talk about a single cure. “
 

Let's stop trying to cure cancer, says cancer professor​

Cancer cells


Cancer will evolve to get past any treatment to kill it and so scientists should develop ways to manage it Credit: Wellcome Collection




Sarah Knapton
29 August 2014 7:00am BST
Sarah Knapton




Most cancers cannot be cured and scientists should give up trying and, instead, look for ways to manage the disease, the director of the Centre for Evolution and Cancer at The Institute of Cancer Research, has claimed.

Professor Mel Greaves, an expert in childhood leukaemia, said developing more advanced cures would only lead to cancer cells becoming more resistant to treatment.

He believes that scientists should focus on prevention, such as giving aspirin to all over 50s to stop the onset of stomach cancer, and stalling the disease once it has emerged.

“With a lot of respect to oncologists we need to get smarter,” he told journalists at a press briefing in London yesterday.

“Very intelligent people who aren't scientifically minded think there must be a cause, there must be a cure and it’s just not right. It’s fundamentally wrong.

"Talking about a cure in terms of elimination is just not very realistic. There are some examples of it. Childhood leukaemia had a cure rate now of 90 per cent but that is an exception.

“There are a few cancers that are curable but most are probably not including the common carcinomas in adults.

“We should be a bit more subtle. We should not try to eliminate the cancer, we should try to hold it in check.”


Many institutions are attempting to find cures for individual cancers using increasingly advanced methods.

They include ramping up the body’s own immune system to fight the disease; personalised treatments based on the DNA of the tumours and gene therapies.

But Prof Greaves believes no therapy will work in the long term because tumours continue to evolve like all life-forms. He is a leading figure in the study of cancer evolution – the Darwinian process by which cancer cells mutate and diversify by natural selection within our tissue ecosystems

“You must have noticed that when you read reports about new target therapies, isn’t it odd that they work dramatically, but three months later (cancer) is back with a bang. It’s almost always the story.

"I would argue that if you look at the age distribution of cancers, most people are in the 60s, 70s and 80s. If you could slow everything down for 10 to 15 years, maybe 20, then that would be a huge advance.

"It is wrong to think we need some fancy therapy that kills it. I think slowing it down is a much more interesting proposition. “

However, leading cancer expert Professor Karol Sikora, Dean of Medicine at the University of Buckingham, said he was confident cures could still be found.


“I think this is a pessimistic view, and strange given that Professor Greaves has done so much to help find a cure for leukaemia.

“I absolutely think we will find new cures in the future and the closer we get to understanding the mechanism of the disease, the quicker this will happen.”

There are more than 200 types of cancer and more than 330,000 people are diagnosed each year. More than one in three people will develop some form of cancer in their lifetime.

Breast, lung, prostate and bowl account for more than half of all new cancers each year and more than a third of cancers are diagnosed in people over the age of 75.

Half of people now survive cancer for at least 10 years and survival rates have doubled in the UK in the last 40 years. But it still causes more than one in four of all deaths.

Prof Greaves said that preventing cancer should be of primary importance, using drugs which tackle the ‘ecosystem’ of the disease – by changing the chemical make-up of the body.

“I think one of the best drugs that exists is aspirin. It’s fantastic what it does. There is a big debate about whether we should all take aspirin over a certain age. I think over 50 we probably should, because it has a huge impact on gastro-intestinal cancers.


“Here is another drug that doesn’t attempt to kill the cancer; it simply tries to restrain it.”

However Professor Peter Johnson, chief clinician at Cancer Research UK said many people had already seen their cancers cured.

“We already have cures for many types of cancer. For example, millions of people who have had breast cancer, prostate cancer or bowel cancer are alive years after their surgery to remove the tumour, if it was caught early enough," he said.

“However, when people talk about a cure for cancer they usually mean drugs, and here things are more complicated. Cancer isn’t just one disease – there are hundreds of types, and as we understand the genetic signatures of individual tumours it’s becoming clear that each person’s cancer is as unique as they are – so it’s simplistic to talk about a single cure. “
Our resident retard spammer posted cancer threads before.
 
read somewhere the average cancer sufferer spent 300k before dying......go figure.....eventually also mati
 
read somewhere the average cancer sufferer spent 300k before dying......go figure.....eventually also mati

Cancer "treatment" is nothing more than the medical industry's way of ensuring that you don't have anything left to leave to your family.

In 2017 one my good friends was diagnosed with stage 3 cancer. He spent $250,000 on a cutting edge drug that was supposed to work miracles. The treatment bought him 4 months at best. When he died his family was left with a mountain of debt which they are still paying off today.
 
Cancer "treatment" is nothing more than the medical industry's way of ensuring that you don't have anything left to leave to your family.

In 2017 one my good friends was diagnosed with stage 3 cancer. He spent $250,000 on a cutting edge drug that was supposed to work miracles. The treatment bought him 4 months at best. When he died his family was left with a mountain of debt which they are still paying off today.
There is no cure for cancer. The best they can do is to put it into remission. For how long before it will relapse again is anybody's guess.
 
There is no cure for cancer. The best they can do is to put it into remission. For how long before it will relapse again is anybody's guess.

I used to think that "remission" meant the tumor(s) had disappeared. A wiser me now realises that all it means is that the tumor does not appear to be growing for the time being.
 
I used to think that "remission" meant the tumor(s) had disappeared. A wiser me now realises that all it means is that the tumor does not appear to be growing for the time being.
What I've said before was what a true oncologist had once told me.
 
it best that Prof Mel Greaves and his family, loved ones, parents and sibbling be cancer patients to support his proposal of stopping a cure to that .... it will probably be more convincing. :thumbsup:
 
Cancer "treatment" is nothing more than the medical industry's way of ensuring that you don't have anything left to leave to your family.
Cancer is reversible thru fasting. Let the cancer cell go hungry and then they eat each other until no more is left. They thrive on sugar.
 
There is no cure for cancer. The best they can do is to put it into remission. For how long before it will relapse again is anybody's guess.

thats why when you hear the person relapse, half the time means game over.....
 
Cancer is reversible thru fasting. Let the cancer cell go hungry and then they eat each other until no more is left. They thrive on sugar.

I actually know someone who was cured of cancer via diet, exercise and meditation. She had surgery to remove the tumor but no radio or chemo. 10 years later and still going strong.
 
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3662856/

Refusing Treatment​

Moshe Frenkel1,✉


PMCID: PMC3662856 PMID: 23704223

The number of patients that decline conventional cancer treatment is substantial enough to warrant close attention. Effective patient-doctor communication is crucial in addressing this challenge.


Keywords: Patient-doctor communication, Cancer care, Complementary medicine, Refusing treatment, Declining cancer treatment, Alternative medicine



In the late 1990s, I was working as a family physician. During that time, I was integrating complementary therapies into routine practice in family medicine, as well as being involved in academic work and teaching family physicians and residents. Even with a very open mind toward complementary therapies, when it came to patients affected by cancer, I strongly advocated that these therapies should not be used as an alternative to conventional treatment, but rather as complementary approaches with a single goal of improving patients' well-being and quality of life.


During my years of consulting cancer patients and families, I noticed an increasing number of patients who declined conventional cancer treatment, a phenomenon that piqued my curiosity but somehow was not acknowledged by my colleagues, other than to mention that they had another “difficult patient.” One of these patients was Suzanna.


Suzanna, who was born in England and emigrated to Israel in her late teens, was an attractive divorcee in her mid 40s. She had been working as a complementary practitioner for many years. When she entered the room, you could not ignore her presence: she is tall with dark long hair, piercing green eyes, and a smile that warms your heart. But one day in 1997, she found a 3-cm lump in her left breast that extended to the skin. From that moment, her life turned upside down. A quick process of evaluation including mammography, ultrasonography, and biopsy confirmed the diagnosis to be infiltrating ductal carcinoma. At that time, assessments of hormone receptor status or other prognostic factors were not available.


At first, like most people, Suzanna was shocked and devastated by the diagnosis. She underwent surgical excision, which confirmed advanced disease (stage IIIB) with six of eight affected axillary glands, and she was advised to begin chemotherapy as soon as possible. She came to me distressed and ambivalent about undergoing chemotherapy. During our prolonged and charged discussion, she suddenly asked me a question I had never heard from any of my patients. She asked me to look through the medical literature and determine her chances for recovery if she received chemotherapy. With my limited knowledge of oncology at the time, I assumed that the survival rate would be around 80%.


After consulting the literature, however, I was surprised to find that, given her advanced disease stage and the chemotherapeutic agents available at that time, her chances for survival would be only 32%.


When I shared this bad news with her, she didn't seem too upset. In fact, she asked me to do her another favor: to search the medical literature again and see what her chances for survival would be without chemotherapy. With both sadness and conviction, I told her, “You will die.” Still, she urged me not to jump to conclusions, but to take a second look.


So, I dove into the research once more. To my surprise, during that time, when the Internet and PubMed were relatively new, finding the answer to her question in the current medical literature was not easy.


Finally, after spending a few hours in the local medical library, I unearthed a relevant article that estimated the survival rate of women with diseases at the same stage who did not receive chemotherapy. It was 26%.


At that point, Suzanna firmly said: “Look, chemotherapy would add only 6% to my survival rate. But I would lose my hair, which is so precious to me, it would affect my social interactions, and I would suffer nausea and vomiting. In fact, the oncologist gave me a list of side effects two pages long! I've decided that I am willing to risk losing the theoretical 6% advantage chemotherapy would give me. Chemo would destroy my quality of life. I am not doing it.”


I was taken aback by her cold calculations. I told her she was making a great mistake, and I tried to change her mind. Not even the persistence of her oncologist and repeated calls from various clinic staff convinced Suzanna that she should change her mind. Her oncologist, an experienced physician, was puzzled by her decision and informed her that she had 6 months to live if she did not follow his treatment recommendations, and if that was her decision, there was no reason for her to continue to see him. Nonetheless, she decided against chemotherapy and began trying a wide variety of alternative and complementary therapies that she heard about from other cancer patients.


Close to 15 years have passed, and this issue of patients refusing conventional therapy still concerns me deeply. What is the actual extent and incidence of this experience? What is the best approach to address this issue? How should we confront the issue of a patient who makes an informed decision to decline therapy that we feel might be beneficial? Should we close the door on the continued care and follow-up of these patients?


Although the refusal of cancer treatment is a serious concern and has been shown to reduce the effectiveness of treatment and decrease survival duration after diagnosis [1, 2], the phenomenon itself has been scarcely studied. The number of patients who make this decision is not very well-known, but the number appears substantial enough to warrant close attention [3]. Studies have reported rates of less than 1% for patients who refused all conventional treatment [4] and 3%–19% for patients who refused chemotherapy partially or completely [59].


We tend to think that refusing therapy leads to a poorer quality of life as the disease progresses without treatment. Interestingly, that might not be the case.


A study that evaluated the quality of life of 140 cancer patients who had refused, discontinued, or completed chemotherapy revealed that the quality of life of patients who refused or discontinued chemotherapy was no different than that of patients who completed treatment [10].


In my interactions with patients who seek advice about complementary therapy options, I occasionally meet patients who have actually decided to decline treatment. Some have shared their decision process to refuse treatment, partially or completely, but most have not shared this decision with their treating physician. More commonly, during their search for second or third opinions, patients do not return to any of their original physicians for treatment and are lost to follow-up. Patients are looking for a physician to share their decision with a trusted professional who is willing to listen to their account of their painful journey. When they share their rationale for refusing conventional treatment, they mention multiple reasons, such as fear of adverse side effects of cancer treatment (particularly chemotherapy), uncertainty about treatment effectiveness, hopelessness, helplessness, loss of control, denial (about their illness), psychiatric disorders, dysfunction in the health care system, and, above all, issues surrounding communication and the patient–physician relationship [4, 1118].


Patients are often aware of the serious side effects and complications that are likely to accompany conventional therapies, and some have witnessed the ultimate futility of such interventions. They weigh the evidence and often make choices that reflect their underlying values and beliefs rather than rely on medical evidence or advice as the determining factor. Nonetheless, these patients keep their medical appointments and seek reassurance that they will not be abandoned, that when needed, palliative care services would be available to them, and that they would not die in pain, but with dignity and have some control over the end of their life. In the meantime, they focused on living in the present, keeping to their usual schedules and routines, working, presiding over family gatherings, and seeking support and affirmation from close family and friends [16].


The unique patients who refuse conventional treatment are at times self-directed, confident, and active, and have thought deeply about the meaning of life and cancer and about their cancer treatment options.


It may not always be easy for clinicians to deal with these type of patients as they deviate from the norm and challenge current evidence [3]. Physician response is not always supportive of these decisions that patients make. Although physicians understand that patients have the right to decide about their treatment and recognize the possibility of an in-between phase when treatment effects and outcomes are far less predictable, physicians nevertheless tend to categorize their patients dichotomously: those who can be cured and those for whom a cure is no longer possible [18]. Patients who fall into the former category and refuse conventional treatment are considered “difficult patients” or “noncompliant.”


Current evidence suggests that health care professionals often feel uncomfortable, troubled, and even distressed when dealing with patients who make decisions that go against medical advice. In such situations, communication between patients and the health care team can become strained, impacting on future contact and quality of therapeutic interaction [16]. In a recent qualitative study on women who refuse conventional treatment, and reflect back to their experience, they mention that a better first experience with their physicians might have made a difference in the treatment path they ultimately chose. They said that they would have been more likely to accept conventional treatment earlier had they felt that they had caring physicians who acknowledged their fears, communicated hope, educated them about treatment possibilities, and allowed them time to adjust to their diagnosis and assimilate information before starting treatment [17].


This experience with Suzanna made me aware that the communication between the patient and the physician must integrate the medical balancing of pros and cons of treatment effectiveness with the patient's personal perspective. It seems with the current trend of “patient-centered care” that there is a need to get a better insight into the role that the patients' view of life, their values, and personal judgments play in the decision-making process. In addition, an approach that uses effective communication with these patients and integrates their values with current medical evidence is needed.


Communication is crucial in establishing trust with patients, gathering information, addressing patient emotions, and assisting patients in decisions about care [1921]. The quality of communication in cancer care has been shown to affect patient satisfaction, decision making, patient distress and well-being, compliance, and even malpractice litigation [22, 23]. Treatment decision making is an ongoing process; thus, patients who initially refuse treatment may later choose to undergo conventional cancer treatment if given the adequate support, information, and time necessary to make the decision. Even if patients have declined oncologic care, they may continue to see their primary care providers and family physicians. Patients need to feel that they have not been permanently excluded from the health care system even if they make choices that are contrary to the recommendations of their medical team [24].


As to Suzanna, to my initial astonishment, she thrived. In 2007, she published a book with an inspiring title: Six Months to Live, Ten Years Later [25]. She became a daily reminder for me that there are exceptional patients, and refusing treatment is only the tip of the iceberg and presents a major challenge that needs to be addressed.
 
There are many people in this world who have cured their cancers using the alternative methods.

Cancers are also man-made diseases to benefit the health industries.

Ancient people do not have cancers

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I actually know someone who was cured of cancer via diet, exercise and meditation. She had surgery to remove the tumor but no radio or chemo. 10 years later and still going strong.
quite common these days. The fast is quite aggressive, like chemo. The cells actually starve, die and disappear.
 
quite common these days. The fast is quite aggressive, like chemo. The cells actually starve, die and disappear.
Ironically, most of the time, before the cancer cells would starve to death, the patient himself would have gone first.
 
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