Indian Lawyer asked client to belly dance for him

[RonRon]

Lawyer asked client to belly dance for him
Disciplinary tribunal issues written warning to him over behaviour
By K.C. Vijayan

A BELLY dancing instructor expected a discussion about a property transaction when her lawyer showed up at her apartment late at night.

After all, that was the reason he gave when he insisted on meeting her at about 11pm in February three years ago.

Instead, the lawyer, Mr Kirpal Singh, checked her Bishan condominium unit to see if she was alone before 'cajoling' her to perform a belly dance for him.

Stunned, Ms Lin Ying Ying, who lived alone, rejected his 'verbal advances' and complained to the Law Society later.

A disciplinary tribunal appointed by Chief Justice Chan Sek Keong and headed by Senior Counsel Molly Lim took him to task and reprimanded him recently for his unbefitting professional conduct.

In its report released last week, the tribunal also ordered Mr Singh to bear the costs of the proceedings.

Under the law, the tribunal has powers to fine or reprimand a lawyer. It can also refer a lawyer to be dealt with by a Court of Three Judges, who can suspend or bar a lawyer from practice.

A reprimand - a written warning - is at the lowest end of the punishment the tribunal metes out.

The tribunal heard how the lawyer of 14 years, who runs a sole proprietorship in Club Street, had gone to Ms Lin's apartment, under the pretext of discussing a property deal he was handling for her.

But even before he turned up, he sent her a text message, asking: 'U (sic) need anything? I buy wine, food or cigarettes.'

Taken aback, Ms Lin declined and told a friend that the text message was 'strange' and 'scary'.

Mr Singh denied he had asked her to perform a belly dance and claimed he went to her home to view the apartment to assess its value for a potential sale.

The text message, he claimed, was sent by mistake. He had actually meant it for his cousin whom he was supposed to meet that night. In fact, his sister was with him and waiting at the foot of Ms Lin's block when he went up to her home.

But the tribunal found that while Ms Lin had been 'firm and unwavering' when she testified during a five-day hearing late last year, Mr Singh was not only untruthful, but offered explanations which were 'unbelievable'.

The reason he gave for visiting her home was 'implausible and unlikely', given that the job of assessing how much the unit was worth belonged to a valuer.

As for the text message, it was consistent with his intention to 'make advances' towards Ms Lin, the tribunal said.

Mr Singh's lawyer during the hearing, Mr Ragbir Singh Bajwa, argued that belly dancing is an art that may 'not necessarily have sexual connotations'.

But the tribunal said: 'By asking her to perform a belly dance, (he) had made verbal advances towards her while he was meeting her in his professional capacity.'

Mr Singh, through his lawyer Ragbir Singh, yesterday expressed disappointment at the outcome but 'wants to let the matter rest and move on'.

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[Baroko]

Another one bites the dust.

 

[Alamaking]

Got belly dancer picture bor? chio or not?

 

[butoh6050]

He wanted her to perform a belly dance routine and in the middle of the dance, bayi will drop something on the floor and when Ms lin bends over to pick it...."Ai karamba!!"

 

[KuanTi01]

Another one bites the dust.

With respect, the punishment meted out by the DC was nothing more than a slap on the wrist! He's one lucky bayi.

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

With respect, the punishment meted out by the DC was nothing more than a slap on the wrist! He's one lucky bayi.

What so many people couldn't wait to see a lawyer or doctor fall from grace ?

Only the two of them knew what the events leading up to the house visit. The disciplinary tribunal remarked that : "The reason he gave for visiting her home was 'implausible and unlikely', given that the job of assessing how much the unit was worth belonged to a valuer."

Did the tribunal obtain the victim's confirmation that was the reason why the lawyer was invited to her condo ? If the reason was implausible and unlikely, surely it must cut both ways. If the victim had invited or allowed the lawyer to pay her a house visit based on such implausible and unlikely reason, inference must also be drawn against the victim.

The tribunal again remarked that : "But the tribunal said: 'By asking her to perform a belly dance, (he) had made verbal advances towards her while he was meeting her in his professional capacity.' "

If the reason for the visit was implausible and unlikely, then he could not be deemed as meeting her in his professional capacity. He could only be deemed to have met her in his professional capacity if the reason for the meeting put forth by the lawyer was accepted as true.

What is wrong with asking a belly-dancer to perform belly dancing ? Did the tribunal perceive belly dancing as some equivalent of lap dance or pole dance ? I felt the defence was sound. There was no sexual connotation.

 

[cooleo]

What is wrong with asking a belly-dancer to perform belly dancing ? Did the tribunal perceive belly dancing as some equivalent of lap dance or pole dance ? I felt the defence was sound. There was no sexual connotation.

The tribunal heard how the lawyer of 14 years, who runs a sole proprietorship in Club Street, had gone to Ms Lin's apartment, under the pretext of discussing a property deal he was handling for her.

Hello...he is going to the apartment as a lawyer. Not as a customer. If your wife work as a dancer, people can suka suka command her to dance outside her workplace?

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

The tribunal heard how the lawyer of 14 years, who runs a sole proprietorship in Club Street, had gone to Ms Lin's apartment, under the pretext of discussing a property deal he was handling for her.

Hello...he is going to the apartment as a lawyer. Not as a customer. If your wife work as a dancer, people can suka suka command her to dance outside her workplace?

The words "under the pretext" were chosen by the tribunal and the press. It's only "under the pretext" after the tribunal has chosen NOT to believe him. It's between an excuse and a reason. If you believe him, it's a reason; if not, it's an excuse.

The point is the tribunal rejected the reason (that valuation is the job of a valuer) for his presence at the client's condo, but yet relied on the same reason (that he was acting in his professional capacity) to corroborate their case against him. When the tribunal concludes that he was acting in his professional capacity, the tribunal has implicitly accepted that valuation was part of a lawyer's role.

It's not suka suka command. The details leading to the visit and the conversation leading to the request were scanty, if not, non-existent. What we read now is conclusion.

And if you've respect for art and belly dancing, you wouldn't regard any request for a belly dancer to perform a belly dancing is some "verbal advances".

If the client happens to be a pianist, and the lawyer asks her to perform a piece for him, nobody will construe it as verbal advances. You've to think dirty in order to relate belly dancing with verbal advances.

 

[wikiphile]

Dancer Like her?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpjA_eNPbqA

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

There is certainly more to it than it meets the eye.

If you want to sell your property, you go to a property agent, not a law office. The client must have known the lawyer even before this issue of property transaction deal arose.

 

[cooleo]

The words "under the pretext" were chosen by the tribunal and the press. It's only "under the pretext" after the tribunal has chosen NOT to believe him. It's between an excuse and a reason. If you believe him, it's a reason; if not, it's an excuse.

U sure are full of shit. If the lawyer molest the lady, u will probably say he was being friendly. If the lawyer rape a woman, u will probably say no ejaculation cannot be considered rape.

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

U sure are full of shit. If the lawyer molest the lady, u will probably say he was being friendly. If the lawyer rape a woman, u will probably say no ejaculation cannot be considered rape.

If he had molested or raped, it would amount to a criminal act. It would have nothing to do whether he was acting in his professional capacity. You're moving away from the crux of the matter without realizing it.

His reason for being there determines whether he was acting in his professional capacity. The tribunal rejected his reason, i.e. he had no professional reason to be there. So how could he be acting in his professional capacity. The phrase "under the pretext" needs to be tested if you are to give both parties the benefit of the doubt. The phrase "under the pretext" itself carries no evidential value, just as the phrase "U sure are full of shit".

A conclusion must be based on evidence; a conclusion is not and cannot be presented as evidence. With the phrase "U sure are full of shit", you've just moved away from discussing the issue to attacking the person.

Is there a possibility that they could be friends or acquaintances ? After all, nobody in his right frame of mind would approach a lawyer instead of a property agent to sell his or her condo.

 

[cooleo]

If he had molested or raped, it would amount to a criminal act. It would have nothing to do whether he was acting in his professional capacity. You're moving away from the crux of the matter without realizing it.

His reason for being there determines whether he was acting in his professional capacity. The tribunal rejected his reason, i.e. he had no professional reason to be there. So how could he be acting in his professional capacity. The phrase "under the pretext" needs to be tested if you are to give both parties the benefit of the doubt. The phrase "under the pretext" itself carries no evidential value, just as the phrase "U sure are full of shit". A conclusion must be based on evidence; a conclusion must not be presented as evidence.

Is there a possibility that they could be friends or acquaintances ? After all, nobody in his right frame of mind would approach a lawyer instead of a property agent to sell his or her condo.

U are not the first idiot to try to wriggle out of an intellectual sleeper hold by me. But alas, like all who have tried and failed miserably, you will be given credit for trying.


After all, that was the reason he gave when he insisted on meeting her at about 11pm in February three years ago.

The above statement clearly indicates that the term "under the pretext" is valid. Now i want you to go google the definition of "insisted". Next, use a dose of common sense to assess the validity of his insistence of 'assessing' a property at 11PM!

 

[NoNewsGood]

If not for using his professional capacity as a lawyer, that lawyer would not gain entry into the client's apartment.

After he gained entry, he did not perform his professional job. He asked the client to do something totally unrelated.

Whatever reason the lawyer gave to gain entry is irrelevant. That lawyer had abused his professional capacity.

 

[busdriver111]

I think it is difficult to draw conclusions or even comment on the case either way, simply based on a newspaper report and without looking at the grounds of decision.

However, I would believe that most prudent lawyers would not do what Mr Singh did.

 

[halsey02]

He wanted her to perform a belly dance routine and in the middle of the dance, bayi will drop something on the floor and when Ms lin bends over to pick it...."Ai karamba!!"

Aiyoh! horly! Chapati...berry good!..berry good!

 

[halsey02]

There is certainly more to it than it meets the eye.

If you want to sell your property, you go to a property agent, not a law office. The client must have known the lawyer even before this issue of property transaction deal arose.

Their bellies were dancing before??? you are saying?

 

[myo539]

....What is wrong with asking a belly-dancer to perform belly dancing ? ...I felt the defence was sound.

Nothing wrong of course... The next time the Sikh lawyer (or any lawyer for that matter) will again ask a meimei or Thai prostitute-client to demonstrate on him how she made love to her clients - without clothes of course.

What do you call a Sikh lawyer who loves to watch belly-dancing?

 

[myo539]

If not for using his professional capacity as a lawyer, that lawyer would not gain entry into the client's apartment.

After he gained entry, he did not perform his professional job. He asked the client to do something totally unrelated...Whatever reason the lawyer gave to gain entry is irrelevant...

Lawyers are very good at cooking up cock-and-bull stories for their clients.

His sister was waiting downstairs (no CCTV in a condominium to show evidence of a Kaur loitering downstairs at that hour?).

He also SMS buying "wine, food or cigarettes" for a cousin but made a mistake routing it to her handphone (lawyers - although intellectually very bright - are also human; they make mistakes - nevermind sometime they mistaken pleading "guilty" instead of "innocent" for their clients.)

He could also cook up another story that bellydancing in front of him could jack up the price of her flat put up for sale.

KNNA, my troublesome lawyer asked me to take a day leave and an MRT trip down to his CBD office to just sign a document instead of him coming up to my flat in Woodlands with the document and at the same time to admire the arowana in my fishtank.

How I wish we could have more such lawyers who wouldn't mind paying house visits in the wee hours of their clients to sign a document - with wine, food and cigarettes - thrown in!

They could have taken the service industry in Singapore to the top.

 

[cocobobo]

friens who had a falling out over money... all sorts of crap dug out