If Singapore allowed Muslim women to wear the tudung or hijab to be worn as part of their school/work uniform...

[UltimaOnline]

Other than Muslims who overwhelmingly want the Singapore Govt to allow the tudung or hijab to be worn as part of their school/work uniform, many non-Muslims also agree to support this change, naively thinking they're being good & brotherly fellow Singaporean citizens to the Singaporean Muslims.

But one small group of people who will suffer as a result of this, are some of the Muslim girls & women who intensely don't wish to wear the tudung or hijab, and are secretly grateful that the Singapore government currently has this rule. Because without this rule, they would be pressurized by their family and community to wear the tudung or hijab (because of a misguided false notion that Islam commands it, which is a matter in dispute by various Islamic authorities, like all things religion), which would make them feel lagi oppressed and unhappy.

Yes, I personally know a number of Muslim students and working women who strongly feel this way. These Muslims may or may not be the majority, but that's irrelevant. One victim of oppression is one too many.

So ironically, the PAP got it right in this instance, but not for the reason of personal rights concern specified above, but for another separate reason altogether (see recent Parliamentary debate).

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/m&d-can-go-fuck-off-to-mudland-if-they-want-to-wear-tudung.301383/

On a related note :

Indonesian girls traumatized by push to wear hijab

By Kate Lamb and Yuddy Cahya Budiman

JAKARTA (Reuters) - Ifa Hanifah Misbach was 19 when her father died - and her family told her he would not go to heaven because she refused to wear the hijab, a Muslim head covering.

Misbach now works as a psychologist in Bandung, West Java, where she has counselled dozens of Indonesian girls who have been ostracised, bullied and threatened with explusion from school because they too declined to wear the veil.

"The impact of religious pressures, especially to wear the jilbab, when you’re young, makes it feel like you have no breathing room," Misbach said, using the word for hijab more commonly used in Indonesia, in a report by Human Rights Watch. "I wanted to run away."

The 45-year-old's experience is one of many shared by women and girls in the world's largest Muslim-majority nation, including cases of girls being expelled from school.

Indonesia's ideology enshrines religious diversity and the country has significant Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and other minorities, but religious conservatism and growing intolerance of beliefs other than Islam has been rising over the past two decades.

Women and girls across the country can face "intense and constant" pressure to wear the hijab, said Human Rights Watch Indonesia researcher Andreas Harsono, which the rights body described as an assault on basic rights to freedom of religion, expression and privacy.

"Wearing a jilbab should be a choice, it should not be a mandatory regulation," Harsono told Reuters. "There is a growing belief all over Indonesia that if you are a Muslim woman and you don’t wear the hijab you are less pious; you are morally less."

Human Rights Watch identified more than 60 discriminatory local, provincial bylaws issued since 2001 to enforce female dress codes. A 2014 national government regulation has been widely interpreted as requiring all female Muslim students in the country of around 270 million people to wear a jilbab at school.

"Indonesian state schools use a combination of psychological pressure, public humiliation, and sanctions to persuade girls to wear the hijab," said the report.

One Muslim highschooler, who asked to remain anonymous, recalled being told at age 12 by two of her classmates that she should wear the hijab as "one strand of hair that is shown is equal to one step closer towards hell".

There has been some pushback. The case of a Christian schoolgirl in West Sumatra who was forced to wear the hijab sparked a national outcry last month, leading the education and religious affairs ministry to issue a decree banning public schools from making religious attire mandatory.

Indonesia's main rights body, Komnas HAM, said the decree supported the right to religious choice, but it remains unclear how strictly it will be enforced.

Human Rights Watch found the problems extended well beyond school, reporting cases of female civil servants and lecturers who resigned from their jobs due to pressure to wear the hijab, and others who were unable to access government services because they chose not to veil.

A spokesman for the Education Ministry did not respond specifically to questions about the report, referring Reuters to its recent decree. The religious affairs ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

(Reporting by Kate Lamb in Sydney and Yuddy Cahya Budiman in Jakarta; Additional reporting by Angie Teo and Agustinus Beo Da Costa; Editing by Ed Davies and Jane Wardell)

https://sg.yahoo.com/news/indonesian-girls-traumatized-push-wear-042102836.html

 

[syed putra]

The coercion is a problem in muslim societies. Not just the hijab but also ritusls such as
5 times daily prayers and fasting. The authorities can implement the hijab rule but at the same time give warning to those who coerce others into wearing one.
Current islam is not that of what it was intended. But if many people believe in it, we should protect those that want out but are stuck due to cultural situations.

 

[countryman]

The coercion is a problem in muslim societies. Not just the hijab but also ritusls such as
5 times daily prayers and fasting. The authorities can implement the hijab rule but at the same time give warning to those who coerce others into wearing one.
Current islam is not that of what it was intended. But if many people believe in it, we should protect those that want out but are stuck due to cultural situations.

I will implement minimum 10 times daily prayers n if possible 20 times daily to attain the highest level of blissfulness!

 

[syed putra]

I will implement minimum 10 times daily prayers n if possible 20 times daily to attain the highest level of blissfulness!

There is no such prayer rituals. Todays muslims think rituals will earn them merit points when the quran says we will be judged by our deeds alone.
The last original islamic believers stronghold on the planet i think was in al-andalus. They held on until 1153 and refuse to bow down to the corrupt version of islam that came later with the abassids. Because the original muslims were tolerant, 2/3rds of indigenous people of spain under their territory converted voluntarily.
And in northern aftica, the urban roman population prefer arabic rule than roman and actually help arabs defeat rome.
All these of course changed when abassids took over and turned a belief in god alone into a religion with its clerical hierarchy, rituals and pilgrimage and holy cities, and tyranny. Those who refuse to submit to this corrupt version of islam were exterminated. Books and evidence of early islamic teachings were destroyed. Nothing survived about mohamad and what he said. The earliest quran in Birmingham carbon dated to the time of mohamad was for the parchment it was written on. Not the ink. So that copy of quran could have been written much later.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

The coercion is a problem in muslim societies. Not just the hijab but also ritusls such as
5 times daily prayers and fasting. The authorities can implement the hijab rule but at the same time give warning to those who coerce others into wearing one.
Current islam is not that of what it was intended. But if many people believe in it, we should protect those that want out but are stuck due to cultural situations.

U bought up 1 point. The coercion part. For example the puasa time. In mudland if they makan during the day n seen. Got religious police to catch them. In singkieland it's ok to makan..but I heard that fellow mudslimes is starting to dob them in. So I am all for anti coercion laws. The point is how to implement?

 

[A Singaporean]

Want to wear tudung, implement your plan B and go back to Mudland.

 

[sweetiepie]

KNN my uncle can accept they wear purely head scarf but not able to accept the king Kong type KNN

 

[mojito]

Is not allow or not allow. Is formally accept as part of uniform anot. Two different thing. Feeble minded sinkies always fall prey to simple word play.

 

[syed putra]

U bought up 1 point. The coercion part. For example the puasa time. In mudland if they makan during the day n seen. Got religious police to catch them. In singkieland it's ok to makan..but I heard that fellow mudslimes is starting to dob them in. So I am all for anti coercion laws. The point is how to implement?

Sinkie already implement. I myself eat during fasting month no problem. The malay auntie serve me never complain or nag. You go jiu hu, fasting month at mcd and kfc drive in longest queue.but now eith food deliveries, this will bypass stringent religious enforcers. The day of religious subjugation and tyranny during ramadan is coming to a end.

With regards to hijab, schools can make policy very clear that it is not mandatory for muslim girls to wear. They are free to choose and her choice will be protected by the state.

 

[sweetiepie]

KNN my uncle can accept they wear purely head scarf but not able to accept the king Kong type KNN
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Acceptable type KNN
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Non acceptable type KNN

 

[Hypocrite-The]

I will implement minimum 10 times daily prayers n if possible 20 times daily to attain the highest level of blissfulness!

There is no such prayer rituals. Todays muslims think rituals will earn them merit points when the quran says we will be judged by our deeds alone.
The last original islamic believers stronghold on the planet i think was in al-andalus. They held on until 1153 and refuse to bow down to the corrupt version of islam that came later with the abassids. Because the original muslims were tolerant, 2/3rds of indigenous people of spain under their territory converted voluntarily.
And in northern aftica, the urban roman population prefer arabic rule than roman and actually help arabs defeat rome.
All these of course changed when abassids took over and turned a belief in god alone into a religion with its clerical hierarchy, rituals and pilgrimage and holy cities, and tyranny. Those who refuse to submit to this corrupt version of islam were exterminated. Books and evidence of early islamic teachings were destroyed. Nothing survived about mohamad and what he said. The earliest quran in Birmingham carbon dated to the time of mohamad was for the parchment it was written on. Not the ink. So that copy of quran could have been written much later.

It was 50 times a day. Than negotiated to 5 times a day.

Shadia: From 50 prayers a day to five
This might hurt. But once it’s over, we’ll all feel better.

Jerusalem, the blessed city, the witness to heaven’s miracles, the center of faith, hope and despair, is not just important to Jews and Christians.

It is significant to Muslims as well.

Muslims just celebrated the anniversary of the Prophet Muhammad’s Night Journey and Ascension from Mecca to Jerusalem to heaven on June 17, which this year was the 27th day of the Islamic lunar calendar month, Rajab.

You almost don’t want to believe it. I mean, how could you go from Mecca in Saudi Arabia, to Jerusalem to the seventh heaven and back to Mecca in one night?

But like the miraculous crossing of the sea by Moses and the birth of Jesus to the Virgin Mary, this story was also one of the first I learned about as a child.

The prophet had just lost his most beloved wife, Khadija, and his uncle, Abu Talib, who raised him and protected him, and had been enduring the cruelty and physical attacks of those who didn’t believe him when God took him on the journey of the Isra and Mi’raj.

He led a prayer with the prophets of Islam, where the Dome of the Rock mosque, inside Haram al Sharif (or the Noble Sanctuary) in the Old City, now stands. Jerusalem is repeatedly referred to in the Koran as the sacred and blessed land. It is also the direction in which early Muslims used to pray.

That changed later when Muslims were instructed to pray toward Mecca, the same direction we believe Abraham used to pray.

After leading the prayer in Jerusalem during the Night Journey and Ascension, the prophet ascended from that point to heaven and came back with instructions for Muslims to pray five times a day. He couldn’t have gotten to heaven from anywhere else.

With him at almost every step of the way was the angel Gabriel.

In the first heaven, the prophet met Adam.

In the second, he met Jesus and John the Baptist.

In the third, he met Joseph

In the fourth, he met Idris (Enoch).

In the fifth, he saw Aaron.

In the sixth, he saw Moses.

And in the seventh, he met our patriarch, Abraham.

The prophet was welcomed by Adam, Jesus, John the Baptist, Joseph, Idris, Aaron and Moses as their brother, and by Abraham as his son, and a deputy of God. (It’s right about here in the story when I get goosebumps all over.)

This is where it becomes clear that our religion’s root doesn’t start with Muhammad, but begins with Adam and goes on from Abraham to Jesus and beyond. Dishonoring or disrespecting one of them is like disrespecting all of them.

OK. Back to the prophet’s Night Journey and Ascension.

The prophet then continued on to what’s called the Lote-Tree of the Farthest Limit, and it was then when Gabriel told him he’d have to go it alone.

There, the prophet spoke directly to God. He commanded him to instruct Muslims to pray 50 times a day. That’s 50!

The prophet didn’t question it.

But on his way back, Moses saved the day (he’s famous for that).

He told Muhammad to go back and request that the number be decreased, that the burden is too high, that he’d experienced human nature with the Children of Israel, and 50 is just too much, and it isn’t going to work.

The prophet went back and the number was lowered to 45. Moses again told him to return and request that the number be decreased.

The number was again lowered, but not by much, to 40.

Moses continued to send him back until the daily prayer was lowered from 50 to five.

At that point, Moses still wanted to send him back, but Muhammad told him he was too embarrassed to go again, and the number remained at five.

I would like to officially thank Moses for intervening to lower the number of daily prayers from 50 to five. Keeping up with five is tough enough.

Every single command given to Muslims came from heaven to Muhammad on earth through the angel Gabriel. But when it came to prayers, the prophet was ascended to heaven to retrieve it directly.

Praying is a Muslim’s direct link to God. It’s difficult to forget about God, to lie, steal, cheat or hurt when you’re constantly going back for five times a day to connect with him, to thank him and ask for his strength.

It is like food for the soul. (I hear that eating small meals several times a day is a good way to stay healthy and keep your metabolism going.)

So when you see a Muslim praying, remember this story. Remember that more likely than not, that Muslim is feeding his or her soul.

And now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m late for my second prayer.

MONA SHADIA is a reporter for Times Community News. An Egyptian American, she was born and raised in Cairo and now lives in Orange County. Her column includes various questions and issues facing Muslims in America. Follow her on Twitter @MonaShadia.

 

[countryman]

So u mean the prophet can fly or he used the flying carpet?

 

[UltimaOnline]

Feeble souled 'sinkies' always fall prey to missing the bigger, far more critical point underlying the real issues...

 

[bobby]

We should also change our Sundays Sabbath Day to Fridays Prayer Day....

 

[Hypocrite-The]

We should also change our Sundays Sabbath Day to Fridays Prayer Day....

Sabbath day is Sat lah

 

[whoami]

Current islam is not that of what it was intended. But if many people believe in it, we should protect those that want out but are stuck due to cultural situations.

Since the time Islam arrived in Malay archipelago, putting on hijab or veil was the norm. Not just present. Get ur facts right.

 

[syed putra]

Since the time Islam arrived in Malay archipelago, putting on hijab or veil was the norm. Not just present. Get ur facts right.

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By the time islam reached the malay archipelago, it was already corrupted.

 

[ilovechinesegal]

Cut botak problem solved

 

[Leckmichamarsch]

There is no such prayer rituals. Todays muslims think rituals will earn them merit points when the quran says we will be judged by our deeds alone.
The last original islamic believers stronghold on the planet i think was in al-andalus. They held on until 1153 and refuse to bow down to the corrupt version of islam that came later with the abassids. Because the original muslims were tolerant, 2/3rds of indigenous people of spain under their territory converted voluntarily.
And in northern aftica, the urban roman population prefer arabic rule than roman and actually help arabs defeat rome.
All these of course changed when abassids took over and turned a belief in god alone into a religion with its clerical hierarchy, rituals and pilgrimage and holy cities, and tyranny. Those who refuse to submit to this corrupt version of islam were exterminated. Books and evidence of early islamic teachings were destroyed. Nothing survived about mohamad and what he said. The earliest quran in Birmingham carbon dated to the time of mohamad was for the parchment it was written on. Not the ink. So that copy of quran could have been written much later.

EVIL N VIOLENT RELIGION period

 

[Leckmichamarsch]

By the time islam reached the malay archipelago, it was already corrupted.

corrupted ab initio