I took up Singapore citizenship

[James Porn]

After more than a decade here, I finally decided it was time to drop my Malaysian passport for a Singaporean one. This coming Aug 9, I will truly celebrate my new status and cheer my heart out for Singapore at the Beijing Olympics.

By default I was a Malaysian because my parents came from China, settled in Malaysia and became her citizens. By the same token, I moved here and my children will become Singaporeans as a result of my decision. I believe there are many Malaysians here who are PRs, who have been working here for the longest time but yet to take up citizenship. In the past I was apprehensive about giving up my Malaysian citizenship, but after working and living here, I do find in my personal opinion,that Singapore is where I truly want to belong. I agree, no country is perfect and I'm curious as to why Malaysians here are still hesitating about taking up Singapore citizenship? Your input will be well appreciated.

 

[Leongsam]

I do find in my personal opinion,that Singapore is where I truly want to belong. I agree, no country is perfect and I'm curious as to why Malaysians here are still hesitating about taking up Singapore citizenship? Your input will be well appreciated.

Who wants to take up citizenship in a country where citizens are treated worse than foreigners?

 

[James Porn]

Who wants to take up citizenship in a country where citizens are treated worse than foreigners?

Being a Chinese Malaysian (well, ex) I somehow feel we are treated better here in Singapore than in Malaysia. Sad but true.

 

[Leongsam]

Being a Chinese Malaysian (well, ex) I somehow feel we are treated better here in Singapore than in Malaysia. Sad but true.

Yeah but the Malaysian govt is a lot more honest. It tells you straight to your face that you are 2nd class citizens compared to the bumiputras.

The Singapore govt, on the other hand, comes up with all sorts of motherhood statements about how important citizens are and how they are accorded all sorts of privileges.

The reality is a lot different. Singaporeans are treated like dirt while foreigners are placed on a pedestal. Even the judiciary treats Foreigners better.. especially white foreigners.

 

[antehner]

Welcome to Singapore!!! Well but thats not a good choice, in my opinion. =)

 

[american]

Being a Chinese Malaysian (well, ex) I somehow feel we are treated better here in Singapore than in Malaysia. Sad but true.

Dear James

Twenty years ago, the above statement is true. Today, Sam is right. Singaporeans are treated like dirt while foreigners are placed on a pedestal, .. especially white foreigners.

The chinese today is Malaysia has more bargaining power. Malays know they can't form a government without chinese votes.

Just 2 days ago, MCA talked about the possibility of leaving the Barisan, but MCA say that will not happen yet, MCA still needs UMNO. They quoted even the DAP needs PKR.

Penang with the DAP in power may even be better than Singapore. House and car are cheap there.

 

[James Porn]

Yeah but the Malaysian govt is a lot more honest. It tells you straight to your face that you are 2nd class citizens compared to the bumiputras.

This, I must credit you for the point blank straight in the face fact. I accept the fact I'm 2nd class to bumis, but I do not find a good reason as to why my children should remain 2nd class and their generation after them. That brings to my point of starting this thread:

Do ex Malaysians feel 2nd class as Singaporean citizens?

I answer for myself, no I don't. I feel I'm glad I am able to break away from being a 2nd class Malaysian in my previous country. Honestly, does one feel '1st class' in another country after giving up their Singaporean citizenship?

 

[american]

Do ex Malaysians feel 2nd class as Singaporean citizens?

I am not sure if you are aware of an elite class in Singapore .

 

[James Porn]

Dear James
Penang with the DAP in power may even be better than Singapore. House and car are cheap there.

Hi american,

Well, if you take into considerations the earning power and disposable income of Malaysians, it is not really cheap as they still need to pay 25 years for homes and 7 years for cars. Most Malaysians would not claim that their houses or cars are cheap.

 

[Leongsam]

but I do not find a good reason as to why my children should remain 2nd class and their generation after them. That brings to my point of starting this thread:

If you care about your children, for goodness sake get them out of Singapore as quickly as you can.

Nobody is treated more badly than 18 year old male Singapore citizens. They are forced into slavery under the guise of "defending Singapore". The reality is that they are there to protect the elites of Singapore and help them with their propaganda.

National day is coming up. Guess who the slaves are.. the ones that do the real work for a pittance in order to put on a grand show to make the PAP look good.

Other than the elite class, who else enjoys the security and slave labour that they provide? Ans : The million or so foreigners that have invaded the country without a shot being fired. They take your jobs and fuck your women and plunder your wealth.

When they have earned enough, they head home to enjoy the spoils.

If you don't have any sons, count yourself very lucky. All my friends who have sons have all escaped from the clutches of the PAP by emigrating before their kids reach the age of 10.

 

[american]

Hi american,
Well, if you take into considerations the earning power and disposable income of Malaysians, it is not really cheap as they still need to pay 25 years for homes and 7 years for cars. Most Malaysians would not claim that their houses or cars are cheap.

Sure, I'm not expert in that. There are still pros about living in Penang or Malaysia. The country is big, you have many places to go to compared to Singapore which is so small and stressed up. You can own a bungalow, have a little garden which is quite impossible in Singapore unless you are a millionaire.

Best of all, if you return to Malaysia with your savings in Singapore, you can probably buy a nice bungalow and semi retire.

I know a Malaysian who worked in the IT industry back in 1990s. He eventually return to Malaysia after earning enough money.

 

[James Porn]

If you care about your children, for goodness sake get them out of Singapore as quickly as you can.

Thanks for sharing. All these points were carefully considered and much time was spent on forums related to this for the past many years. As for my children, I'll let them grow up in this environment and if need be, they will make their choice to be citizens of other countries, on their own merits and mind.

 

[James Porn]

I know a Malaysian who worked in the IT industry back in 1990s. He eventually return to Malaysia after earning enough money.

I agree, that's one of the reasons why most Malaysians hesitate on settling down in Singapore permanently. Different folks different strokes, ain't nothing wrong with that. Cheers!

 

[cantor]

do find in my personal opinion,that Singapore is where I truly want to belong. I agree, no country is perfect and I'm curious as to why Malaysians here are still hesitating about taking up Singapore citizenship? Your input will be well appreciated.

Malaysians generating income from Singapore find it economically more advantageous to enjoy the benefits of their homeland. One good example is the buying of properties.

 

[american]

All these points were carefully considered and much time was spent on forums related to this for the past many years.

Dear James

At least now you can proudly buy direct from HDB instead of like that Indian FT PR who whine that PR cannot buy direct from HDB.

I must congratulate you on this decision.

 

[James Porn]

Dear James

At least now you can proudly buy direct from HDB instead of like that Indian FT PR who whine that PR cannot buy direct from HDB.

I must congratulate you on this decision.

Thanks but unlikely to be taking up the HDB benefit, and as for the Indian FT PR's writeup in the ST Forum, that's another story for another day.

 

[James Porn]

Malaysians generating income from Singapore find it economically more advantageous to enjoy the benefits of their homeland. One good example is the buying of properties.

Malaysia is no doubt a beautiful country, and for many years when I was living there, I've never failed to impress on my foreign guests visiting to experience the country's food, sights and warm hospitality of the locals. These days my concerns are the rising crime rates and the costs of living.

 

[88max]

After more than a decade here, I finally decided it was time to drop my Malaysian passport for a Singaporean one. This coming Aug 9, I will truly celebrate my new status and cheer my heart out for Singapore at the Beijing Olympics.

By default I was a Malaysian because my parents came from China, settled in Malaysia and became her citizens. By the same token, I moved here and my children will become Singaporeans as a result of my decision. I believe there are many Malaysians here who are PRs, who have been working here for the longest time but yet to take up citizenship. In the past I was apprehensive about giving up my Malaysian citizenship, but after working and living here, I do find in my personal opinion,that Singapore is where I truly want to belong. I agree, no country is perfect and I'm curious as to why Malaysians here are still hesitating about taking up Singapore citizenship? Your input will be well appreciated.

If you have a son, he will blame you for making him serve NS.

There are many malaysians PR in SG.They have been holding SG PR for some 20 yrs or so. It give them a choice in the near future to decide whether to retire back to Malaysia or elsewhere (Australia)

SG is the only country which charge their own male citizens if they remain overseas without a exit permit or take up dual citizenhsip.You don't see your former Malaysia govt do that to their own citizens.

You are allow to protest freely on the street against any bad policy set by the govt like what we have seen in Malaysia and Thailand except singapore.


You should have consider & reconsider before you thinking of taking up SG citizenship. In facts, holding a SG PR is far more better than been a citizen. Your cpf money you can withdraw anytime. Once you be a citizen, your cpf money is as good as gone.

 

[James Porn]

If you have a son, he will blame you for making him serve NS.

Appreciate your feedback, but to be fair not everyone shares the same concerns about NS, Exit Permits, CPFs. My share of concerns will be along the lines of future water supply, jobs, regional security, costs and standard of living. As I've said, no country is perfect: there are strengths and weaknesses, it is a question and matter of which fits you best.

 

[Leongsam]

Appreciate your feedback, but to be fair not everyone shares the same concerns about NS, Exit Permits, CPFs. My share of concerns will be along the lines of future water supply, jobs, regional security, costs and standard of living. As I've said, no country is perfect: there are strengths and weaknesses, it is a question and matter of which fits your best.

If you're concerned about water supply, jobs and regional security, Singapore is the last place on earth you would want to settle down in.

The whole of Singapore's stability revolves around ONE MAN... the great LKY!

Unless you truly believe that he's immortal, (as he proclaims to be) it should be pretty obvious to you that things are going to start unraveling once he kicks the bucket. He's 85. How much longer do you think the status quo is going to be maintained???

Living in Singapore creates many illusions and one of them is this idea that as an ethnic Chinese, you belong to the "majority" race. However, you forget that the region actually belongs to the muslims and there are 250 million of them surrounding that little red dot which simply isn't viable over the long term.

Even is Singapore succeeds in being self sufficient in water, all Indonesia needs to do to bring Singapore to its knees is to turn off the gas while Malaysia blockades the Malacca Straits.

I think you have allowed PAP propaganda to cloud your senses. :(