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HSBC in very deep shit and refused Govt fund, shares FUCKED!

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THE RATINGS GAME
HSBC Holdings may need to raise $30 billion

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By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch
Last update: 5:01 a.m. EST Jan. 14, 2009
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LONDON (MarketWatch) -- HSBC Holdings may need to raise $30 billion in equity and slash its dividend in half, analysts from Morgan Stanley said Wednesday in a research note that challenges the perception that the bank is one of the strongest in the world.
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HBC, , ) (UK:HSBA: news , chart , profile ) (HK:5: news , chart , profile ) , Europe's largest, is unusual in that it hasn't accepted cash from any government during the credit crunch.
Morgan Stanley has long had a bearish stance on HSBC, with the broker in November estimating a capital shortfall of $25 billion that it could fill by raising $15 billion in capital and cutting its dividend in half.
But now the brokerage says HSBC needs to raise between $20 billion and $30 billion and is still calling for a halving of its dividend.
The note penned by a team led by Anil Agarwal says the group's Asian franchise isn't as well capitalized as thought. By Morgan Stanley's reckoning, HSBC's Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corp. division has one of the lowest reserves of any Hong Kong bank, and needs an extra $5.8 billion.
Plus, HSBC has already padded its U.K. and U.S. businesses by roughly $11 billion, leaving little cushion at the group level.
Morgan Stanley estimates that further losses in the U.S. will require another $5 billion in equity. And it says it can't rule out HSBC not paying a dividend for two years.
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HSBC's profits are also under threat, the broker said, with the bank not having anywhere to hide as it faces its first drop in a global credit cycle.
The "world's local bank" has 57% of its loan book in the U.S. and the U.K., making it highly exposed to the credit cycle.
But Hong Kong and Singapore also are in recession, and Latin America is undergoing a sharp slowdown as well.
Another problem for HSBC is the recent strengthening of the U.S. dollar, as HSBC pays its dividends out in greenbacks.
Morgan Stanley slashed its price target to HK$52 from HK$75 and reiterated an underweight rating.
In Hong Kong trade, HSBC shares lost 4% to HK$70. In mid-morning London trade, HSBC shares dropped close to 8% -- or a decline in market value of roughly $8 billion.
Morgan Stanley isn't alone in criticizing HSBC. The activist investment group Knight Vinke has long pressed for changes at HSBC, though much of it was centered on a perceived over-exposure to developed markets, notably the U.S.
The hedge fund Eton Park has carried a short position for several months, according to U.K. disclosure statements. End of Story
 
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Hong Kong Stocks Tumble as Economic Outlook Dims; Banks Plunge
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By Patrick Rial

Jan. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Hong Kong stocks dropped to the lowest level in almost two months as rising unemployment and a forecast of record losses by Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc intensified concern the global economic slump is worsening.

Foxconn International Holdings Ltd. lost 6.6 percent after the world’s biggest contract maker of mobile phones said profit is likely to drop as demand falls. HSBC Holdings Plc, Europe’s largest bank, lost 6.3 percent on rising speculation it will not be able to avoid raising capital.

“The global economy is going to remain weak,” said Michiya Tomita, a Hong Kong-based fund manager of Chinese stocks at Mitsubishi UFJ Asset Management Co., which oversees $61 billion. “The effect of the U.S. and European financial problems are being felt here because HSBC carries such a strong weight in equity indexes.”

The Hang Seng Index dropped 464.59, or 3.5 percent, to 12,874.40 as of 11:06 a.m. local time, set for the lowest level since Nov. 24. The Hang Seng China Enterprises Index, which tracks Chinese companies’ so-called H shares, retreated 3.6 percent to 6,983.71.

The Hang Seng lost 48 percent in 2008, its worst annual performance since 1974, as the financial crisis pulled economies worldwide into recession. The gauge has retreated 11 percent so far in 2009. Analysts have cut profit estimates by 12 percent in the last 12 months for companies in the index, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

GDP Estimate Lowered

Foxconn fell 6.6 percent to HK$2.81. The company said yesterday it had a “significant decline” in 2008 profit as demand and prices for mobile phones slumped.

New World Department Store China Ltd., a retailing unit of Hong Kong billionaire Cheng Yu-tung’s New World Development Co., retreated 5.6 percent to HK$3.05. Hang Lung Properties Ltd., which owns the Plaza 66 complex in Shanghai, tumbled 8 percent to HK$17.07.

Hong Kong’s unemployment rate climbed to 4.1 percent for the latest quarter, the highest level in 15 months, the government said yesterday.

Denise Yam, an economist at Morgan Stanley, lowered her gross domestic product forecast for Hong Kong to minus 3.8 percent for 2009 because waning global demand will reduce exports.

“The latest cuts are driven primarily by further weakening in external demand, which is expected to slash merchandise trade flows by more than 10 percent,” Lam wrote in a report.

Exports of goods and services will decline, Lam wrote. “The recovery in 2010 is expected to be tepid at best.”

ICBC Falls

HSBC lost 6.3 percent to HK$58.35, headed for the lowest level since October 1998. Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. dropped 5.2 percent to HK$3.27 after the New York Post reported American Express Co. plans to sell its $500 million stake in the bank as soon as restrictions on selling the shares are removed in three months.

RBS said yesterday it may post a loss of as much as 28 billion pounds ($41 billion) this year, which would be the biggest loss in U.K. corporate history, exceeding Vodafone Group Plc’s 22 billion pound net loss in 2006. The stock plummeted 67 percent.

To contact the reporter on this story: Patrick Rial in Tokyo at [email protected].
Last Updated: January 19, 2009 23:19 EST
 

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滙控拒注資 在英驚見51.8元
(星島)1月20日 星期二 05:30

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(星島日報 報道)滙豐控股面對證券行大力唱淡,股價再創十年新低,昨日英國 政府公布第二波救市方案,包括增持蘇格蘭 皇家銀行股權,但滙控重申無向英國政府尋求注資,亦無預見任何情況需作此舉。滙控股價昨在港六連跌後,昨晚在倫敦 繼續暴瀉,跌破大摩訂出的五十二元目標價,一度跌至約五十一點八港元,中段稍回升至約五十二點三港元,較昨日在港的收市價六十二點三元,再跌十元。滙豐銀行前亞太區主席艾爾敦力撐滙控,認為滙控成為近期銀行集資潮的犧牲品。

  本報財經組

  《英國電訊報》昨日傳出,英國的第二波救市方案,內容會包括注資入滙控,英國政府則為其壞帳提供擔保。消息被視為可消除供股不明朗因素,令滙控股價一度止跌回升,然而,滙控在收市後否認有關傳聞,令外圍股價跌得更急,昨晚在倫敦急跌十元,但另一家受英國政府增加注資的蘇格蘭皇家銀行,因預報出現重大虧損及進一步國有化,股價更一度急挫六成半,由三十四點七英鎊急跌至十一點八英鎊(詳見另文)。

  蘇皇股價一度挫65%

  滙控在聲明中強調,「無向英國政府尋求注資,亦無預見任何情況需作此舉。滙豐一直是世界資本最雄厚的銀行之一,亦決心維持此地位。集團會如期在三月二日公布○八年全年業績。」滙豐在去年十月,英國政府推出首個救市方案時,亦曾拒絕當地政府的援助。

  如期三月二日公布業績

  艾爾敦昨日出席公開場合時質疑滙控有集資需要的講法,他指出,滙控一直有穩健及保守的資產負債表,除非別無方法,例如無政府注資就難以經營,否則不應向政府求救,從而令政府成為銀行的大股東。若滙控有資金需要,向市場集資較向政府求援為佳。不過,他本身也質疑滙控有集資需要的講法,滙控在早前拒絕接受英國政府協助,是因為管理層更清楚本身的財務狀況,不過,正因如此,滙控成為近期集資潮的犧牲品。

  他又呼籲投資者不應根據個別證券報告,作出投資決定,應要了解市場實際情況。他更揚言,若日後證明這些證券行「睇錯市」,相信投資大眾會質疑這些機構日後再發表的研究報告的可信性。

  艾爾敦不滿大行「睇錯市」

  對於市場揣測滙控今年會削減派息,艾爾敦認為,派息要視乎盈利狀況,若管理層認為要保留較多資本,減派息也是合理的決定。

  除了大摩及高盛等大行輪流唱淡外,去年曾多次抨擊滙控管理層的「反叛股東」Knight Vinke近日亦再度活躍,除了贊同滙控有集資需要,並要趁早進行外,昨日亦提出,應任由旗下滙豐融資破產,不再向滙融提供資金。不過,《泰晤士報》引述消息人士稱,滙控管理層認為此建議不切實際,這樣做會令滙控失信,無法再在美國 債券市場融資,甚至被撤銷美國的銀行經營牌照。

  另外,艾爾敦認為,本港並非出現嚴重問題,只需依循既定措施,毋須開倉分派庫房盈餘。至於銀行監管架構問題,他贊同金管局 的建議由一個監管機構負責銀行各業務的監管,至於該局建議將傳統銀行服務與投資服務分開,他認為要視乎實際的可行性。美國昨日「馬丁路德金日」休市一天,港股沒有成交。
 
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HongkeeSBC wanna save face by not accepting cash from any gov'ts. If they accept cash, they are admitting that they're financially broke.
 
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