How to vote Matrix

[scroobal]

I noticed that people are have difficulty getting their head around voting a candidate that in their eyes does not reflect quality. This might help. Its very much like monopoly - you either get as many properties or deny your opponents getting as much or both.

Situation 1 - A truly democratic parliament
Where the govt of the day has a slight majority with the opposition parties having a sizeable presence. In such a situation, there is a clear mechanism of checks and balances with laws having been scrutinised carefully by the opposition.

Main aim of Voter: Choose a quality candidate from whatever party

Situation 2 [/B]- A totalitarian Govt in Parliament
This is where we are where the govt/PAP controls 82 of the 84 seats. Laws can be passed with ease, complacency sets in, lack of transparency, lack of checks and balances etc.

Main aim of Voter: Reduce near monopoly powers of a single party by voting opposition candidates to bring about balance, introduce checks and balances and stop abuse of executive powers. As there are many walkovers, there will no freak elections.

So when you go to the polls, the questions that you need to ask are -

1)Is our parliament monopolised by one party.
2) Who then provides the necessary check and balances.
3) What can I as the voter do to make it better.

If you go the polls and think the choice is between Ah Seng from Party X and Prof Ah Meng from PAP and that you should vote for Prof Ah Meng who went to Oxford, became the youngest scholar to head a company, then you do no service to singapore and its people.

 

[zhihau]

I noticed that people are have difficulty getting their head around voting a candidate that in their eyes does not reflect quality. This might help. Its very much like monopoly - you either get as many properties or deny your opponents getting as much or both.

Situation 1 - A truly democratic parliament
Where the govt of the day has a slight majority with the opposition parties having a sizeable presence. In such a situation, there is a clear mechanism of checks and balances with laws having been scrutinised carefully by the opposition.

Main aim of Voter: Choose a quality candidate from whatever party

Situation 2 [/B]- A totalitarian Govt in Parliament
This is where we are where the govt/PAP controls 82 of the 84 seats. Laws can be passed with ease, complacency sets in, lack of transparency, lack of checks and balances etc.

Main aim of Voter: Reduce near monopoly powers of a single party by voting opposition candidates to bring about balance, introduce checks and balances and stop abuse of executive powers. As there are many walkovers, there will no freak elections.

So when you go to the polls, the questions that you need to ask are -

1)Is our parliament monopolised by one party.
2) Who then provides the necessary check and balances.
3) What can I as the voter do to make it better.

If you go the polls and think the choice is between Ah Seng from Party X and Prof Ah Meng from PAP and that you should vote for Prof Ah Meng who went to Oxford, became the youngest scholar to head a company, then you do no service to singapore and its people.

bro,

need to ask so many questions? i thought this suffice: does absolute power corrupts?

 

[scroobal]

Unfortunately one has to. Not many people understand that wonderful adage and a proven one at that.

They are still comparing who is the better qualified candidate. If Yaw Shin Leong who is a CEC member of WP cannot understand it, it would appear that there will be others.

bro,

need to ask so many questions? i thought this suffice: does absolute power corrupts?

 

[rainnix]

Unfortunately one has to. Not many people understand that wonderful adage and a proven one at that.

They are still comparing who is the better qualified candidate. If Yaw Shin Leong who is a CEC member of WP cannot understand it, it would appear that there will be others.

Damn true for this bugger Yaw Shin Long. For me the question that should be ask is "Is this candidate fighting for our rights and benefits (people) or theirs (elite)?"

 

[Perspective]

If I recall not wrongly, YSL's last post retracted and reversed his stance. Assuming so it means his vote will be for SDP/Ling if he returns. I get the impression that you are peeved that he didn't lay out a clear, remorsefully worded apology in which tears and signs of suicide can be felt, but other than being the typical politician and nearly something else, omitting to mention his retraction would merely remind people that his earlier way is alright which defeats the purpose, so I do wonder why.

I'd rather lead people to heed YSL's latest after-thought "revelation" to vote all opposition, rather than erase it and leave his earlier act visible as an example some people can excuse themselves to follow.

 

[scroobal]

Don't worry about me. Be mindful of the comments that he received from so many people.

Yes the operating word is underlined and in bold. He did that after attempting to rationalise his choice despite the negative comments and the suprise that were expressed by many.

Because he dragged it on, it tarnished the image of Low and WP CEC. Poorly handled. The initial damage became worse because people began to realise that WP were more comfortable with the PAP than SDP. Frankly which part of Ling did Yaw find distasteful. His wig perhaps? Clearly a donkey that can't even work out the equation.

Frankly by then, the CEC should have sacked him. The party was surely more valuable than Yaw. Do read the "last post" and the supposed apology. It was grudingly given and vague at best.

It was the lowest point in WP history since it was founded by Marshall.

If I recall not wrongly, YSL's last post retracted and reversed his stance. .

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Dear Scroobal,

It is a bit too harsh to expect WP CEC to sack YSL.

First of all, I do not think the WP CEC have the power to sack YSL since he is voted into CEC by the cadre. I would think that it is up to Workers Party cadre members to decide on that.

Secondly, it seems that Workers Party cadre members have shown confidence in Shin Leong by re-electing him into CEC again. It means that he has substantial support from the whole Workers Party. We should respect the party's democratic process and the decision made by the stake holders of the party.

The issue is not widely publicized by the main media. Well, at least the Chinese newspaper didn't really publicize it. You may think Low and the CEC's image is being tarnished but I would say that it is hardly so. Not many people on the street knows about this issue or even if they know, for some reasons they would regard it as a non-issue.

I would not have any problem for YSL to vote against other opposition party members if there is already a relatively balanced of power within the system. I am a believer of multi-partisan political system. But as you have said it, at this instance, the context of democracy development is about eradicating the monopoly of power by a single party, PAP. Thus the consideration of vote would be very different.

Furthermore, it really disturbs me that for a partisan individual, he would not even vote for his own comrades if he finds that they are not good enough. This is the part where it is rather disturbing and I sincerely hope he has truly thought through this before he votes again in the next elections.

But as Perspective has stated, YSL has withdrawn his position, though fall short of a direct apology. So, just let this matter rest.

Goh Meng Seng

Don't worry about me. Be mindful of the comments that he received from so many people.

Yes the operating word is underlined and in bold. He did that after attempting to rationalise his choice despite the negative comments and the suprise that were expressed by many.

Because he dragged it on, it tarnished the image of Low and WP CEC. Poorly handled. The initial damage became worse because people began to realise that WP were more comfortable with the PAP than SDP. Frankly which part of Ling did Yaw find distasteful. His wig perhaps? Clearly a donkey that can't even work out the equation.

Frankly by then, the CEC should have sacked him. The party was surely more valuable than Yaw. Do read the "last post" and the supposed apology. It was grudingly given and vague at best.

It was the lowest point in WP history since it was founded by Marshall.

 

[scroobal]

Here are the main points

1) The trust has been broken. As he wrote in his blog, he was telling voters to vote WP while he had already made the decision for his mum and himself to vote PAP. Albeit for a different ward. Why would anyone trust him again, especially after he refused to concede in the 1st instance that something was wrong.

2) The fact that he let people's comments on the matter fall like water on a duck's back tells me that he is a poor listener and thinks that he knows best. There is a chap in the Istana who feels the same. And I am not talking about the President.

Look at his attempt at apology - nothing sincere. This is not a simple mistake, an exceptionally poor reasoning skill and fundamental flaw in character. What has Ling done that is so offensive? He is a qualified lawyer, a member of professional body although his mannerisms are quite an issue.

Not to worry, I do understand opposition solidarity unlike the shortarse and will not make it an issue, certainly not during the elections. He will still get my vote compared to PAP as I am voting an opposition candidate despite the donkey he is.

Dear Scroobal,

It is a bit too harsh to expect WP CEC to sack YSL.

 

[jw5]

I don't ask myself what the quality of the opposition candidate is.
I prefer to ask myself what the quality of the pap candidate is, and more importantly, what he or she has done or can do to improve the lives of ordinary singaporeans, including mine.
And I can tell you that I don't get a very positive impression of the pap candidate whenever I answer my own question.
At least I know that the opposition candidate will try to oppose policies that are detrimental to him, me and other ordinary singaporeans.

 

[SIFU]

what is the purpose of this thread..

to attack WP again huh screwball:oIo::oIo:

 

[Perspective]

Don't worry about me. Be mindful of the comments that he received from so many people.

Yes the operating word is underlined and in bold. He did that after attempting to rationalise his choice despite the negative comments and the suprise that were expressed by many.

Because he dragged it on, it tarnished the image of Low and WP CEC. Poorly handled. The initial damage became worse because people began to realise that WP were more comfortable with the PAP than SDP. Frankly which part of Ling did Yaw find distasteful. His wig perhaps? Clearly a donkey that can't even work out the equation.

Frankly by then, the CEC should have sacked him. The party was surely more valuable than Yaw. Do read the "last post" and the supposed apology. It was grudingly given and vague at best.

It was the lowest point in WP history since it was founded by Marshall.

Don't worry of negative comments or WP loses Hougang and the rest their deposits islandwide due to this. After all there is the NSP, RP, SDA and of course the SDP tries to check them all.

The issue is you, who had been most persistent in selling the vote-all-opposition message, in the course of reprising the YSL episode 6 times purposefully erased the important aspect of his call to vote for all opposition (which I assume he will vote for Ling of SDP if the old veteran returns). Even if people did not vote YSL, they should not be encouraged by his first post do the same for the rest.

A lack of apology and change in position are also 2 different issues. One can apologize and keep to his position or refuse to apologize and change his position. Drumming the non-apology as not having changed his position is misleading.

You can stick to everything else except that the folly of voting PAP should not replace the folly of retracting his stand when he should have known better as an opp candidate. A call of wrong person is more effective than the normal. When a former criminal goes straight, he does better than prison counsellors. Think how Neville Tan gets a lot of capital for Charismatic Church and social reformers.

 

[scroobal]

Take it easy and get your perspective right. Yaw is not a good reflection of WP. This is not an attack on WP or on the opposition as a whole but on Yaw and his integrity. I hope you can tell the difference. If I hate your mother-in-law does not mean that I hate you as well.

WP is currently and has been for years one of the best managed opposition parties. A brand name that has a history and carries considerable weight. They have Low who has been solid and they have an exceptional individual in Sylvia.

WP members and followers are more responsible, reliable and much more measured. Strategy and Tactic wise, they are far ahead of any other opposition party.

2006 GE showed that WP has truly come of age in the way they conducted their campaign, the launching of the manifesto, setting and controlling the agenda and managing yet another Gomez fiasco.

They certainly do have deficencies such as their ultra low profile in the Net and online space which tells me that they have little understanding of the term "opportunity cost" and the need to reach out to the younger and more sophisticated generation. WP also have an issue with political temperment which best can be described as mild.

The other party that I am pleased with is NSP which I initially thought will be business as usual with substance lacking. Delighted with SDP as their use of the Net to portray the issues of Singapore and Singaporeans are good in the main. Its certainly keeps the home fires burning even though I am highly critical of their poltical acumen.

Hope you now realise that YAW is distinct from WP and the rest of the opposition and that one swallow does not make a summer.

The issue is you, who had been most persistent in selling the vote-all-opposition message, in the course of reprising the YSL episode 6 times purposefully erased the important aspect of his call to vote for all opposition (which I assume he will vote for Ling of SDP if the old veteran returns). Even if people did not vote YSL, they should not be encouraged by his first post do the same for the rest.

A.

 

[scroobal]

The issue is simple. A half hearted attempt at an apology which had to be dragged out after many days. His heart was not in it. His intergrity is an issue. No matter how well you paint it, only he can address it.

I can't believe you dragged in the Charismatic church whose ex-pastor is now doing raunchy videos. You sure can pick one helluva example.

You can stick to everything else except that the folly of voting PAP should not replace the folly of retracting his stand when he should have known better as an opp candidate. A call of wrong person is more effective than the normal. When a former criminal goes straight, he does better than prison counsellors. Think how Neville Tan gets a lot of capital for Charismatic Church and social reformers.

 

[SIFU]

Take it easy and get your perspective right. Yaw is not a good reflection of WP. This is not an attack on WP or on the opposition as a whole but on Yaw and his integrity. I hope you can tell the difference. If I hate your mother-in-law does not mean that I hate you as well.





Hope you now realise that YAW is distinct from WP and the rest of the opposition and that one swallow does not make a summer.

CB ah gua screwball,:oIo:

dare to do but dun dare to admit.. typical PAP dog:oIo::oIo:

fuck you:oIo:

 

[Paparazzy]

C'mon, come back to Papa, Screwball..........

 

[chowka]

C'mon, come back to Papa, Screwball..........

Good riddance to trash!