How can nature be intelligent?

[VIBGYOR]

How could it create this by itself? Doesn't make sense to me.

God must be involved for this complexity to exist.

 

[etherc]

http://www.math.com/students/wonders/life/life.html

 

[VIBGYOR]

http://www.math.com/students/wonders/life/life.html

nope still doesn't explain it. human knowledge are insufficient to proof it.

who or what created nature? it can't simply evolved?

if there's no answer yet, i still stick with Jesus!

 

[po2wq]

How could it create this by itself? ...

bcos mother nature is a bitch! ...

 

[etherc]

These systems don't form overnight just as your stereoscopic eyesight was formed over many millions of years of evolution that probably began from a few rudimentary photosensitive receptors on one of the earliest predators in some stream, river, sea or ocean. Systems gradually get built upon. These flagellum although wondrous are just complex woven protein strands that most probably started off as a mutation of some filament growth and slowly became rotatable. Perhaps these filaments pushed the bacterium away from hazards, allowing them to survive and so trillions of generations and many mutations later, the flagellum system was formed. And since this adaptation helped with survival and still helps it was kept.

Don't try to externalise God all the time, looking for signs all over the place. If you really had faith you need not look.

 

[SneeringTree]

nope still doesn't explain it. human knowledge are insufficient to proof it.

who or what created nature? it can't simply evolved?

if there's no answer yet, i still stick with Jesus!

Just because you are either too lazy to find the real explanation or too dumb to understand, it doesn't mean that god is the architect/reason for such things. In any case, if any divine being is involved, there is no guarantee whatsoever that it is your christian god.

 

[VIBGYOR]

Just because you are either too lazy to find the real explanation or too dumb to understand, it doesn't mean that god is the architect/reason for such things. In any case, if any divine being is involved, there is no guarantee whatsoever that it is your christian god.

i really cannot accept the evolution. evolution just described the process. it doesn't tell you the source. it doesn't tell you the trigger from nothing to something. i.e. it doesn't even tell you the creator.

who or what started the evolution. who programmed the evolution? how can things stores programs for evolution? is there memories in living cells?

how can it evolved by itself? what is the trigger or evolution?

where are humans evolving to?

simply too many questions, i am afraid books cannot answer me. because science is limited within the imagination of the limited human minds!!

so i am not convinced, so i still stick with Jesus! :p

 

[VIBGYOR]

These systems don't form overnight just as your stereoscopic eyesight was formed over many millions of years of evolution that probably began from a few rudimentary photosensitive receptors on one of the earliest predators in some stream, river, sea or ocean. Systems gradually get built upon. These flagellum although wondrous are just complex woven protein strands that most probably started off as a mutation of some filament growth and slowly became rotatable. Perhaps these filaments pushed the bacterium away from hazards, allowing them to survive and so trillions of generations and many mutations later, the flagellum system was formed. And since this adaptation helped with survival and still helps it was kept.

Don't try to externalise God all the time, looking for signs all over the place. If you really had faith you need not look.

why do such bacerium behaved in such a way? does it stored some kind of artificial intelligence or expert system programmed into it?? who and what program such baterias? or it's self programmed based on the interaction with the environment?

if who or what causes such baterias to be self programmed? :p:p:p

or for that matter, how do cancerous organs get heal? sometimes it doesn't get healed. doctors have to use draconian measures such as radiotheraphy to destroy the organs or even cut it off with lethal side effects?

sometimes it 'magically' can get healed! doctors are amazed??

why?

 

[SneeringTree]

i really cannot accept the evolution. evolution just described the process. it doesn't tell you the source. it doesn't tell you the trigger from nothing to something. i.e. it doesn't even tell you the creator.

who or what started the evolution. who programmed the evolution? how can things stores programs for evolution? is there memories in living cells?

how can it evolved by itself? what is the trigger or evolution?

where are humans evolving to?

simply too many questions, i am afraid books cannot answer me. because science is limited within the imagination of the limited human minds!!

so i am not convinced, so i still stick with Jesus! :p

I also want to know the source of some peoples' gross stupidity. Some things don't need any reasons.

 

[VIBGYOR]

I also want to know the source of some peoples' gross stupidity. Some things don't need any reasons.

can we discuss on the issues at hand instead of the people?

please show me your intelligence?

 

[SneeringTree]

can we discuss on the issues at hand instead of the people?

please show me your intelligence?

I am using an analogy to discuss the issue at hand. You claim that it is so critically important to know the "source". I have suggested to you that even if there is a source for everything, it may not be a divine being, and even if it is a divine being, it may not be your Christian god.

Next, I use a analogy to say that there's nothing wrong with not knowing the "source". I'll make this easier for you, I am very interested in knowing how and why plates move under our feet, because it helps in predicting earthquakes etc. But I don't think it is even necessary to know who or what made plates such that they move.

 

[VIBGYOR]

I am using an analogy to discuss the issue at hand. You claim that it is so critically important to know the "source". I have suggested to you that even if there is a source for everything, it may not be a divine being, and even if it is a divine being, it may not be your Christian god.

Next, I use a analogy to say that there's nothing wrong with not knowing the "source". I'll make this easier for you, I am very interested in knowing how and why plates move under our feet, because it helps in predicting earthquakes etc. But I don't think it is even necessary to know who or what made plates such that they move.

wait a min, you are not even sure if there's a divine being, you can be sure it's not Jesus?

i am really interested to know the source. because it is the source we are arguing about it the first place?

you can predict earthquakes when it moves. but don't you want to know the trigger too? doesn't that gives you extra time to prepare for such disaster? it's better than after it moved?

 

[SneeringTree]

wait a min, you are not even sure if there's a divine being, you can be sure it's not Jesus?

i am really interested to know the source. because it is the source we are arguing about it the first place?

you can predict earthquakes when it moves. but don't you want to know the trigger too? doesn't that gives you extra time to prepare for such disaster? it's better than after it moved?

I am not sure if there's a divine being but I tend towards "NO". And I, for the sake of argument, granted you that even IF there's a divine being, there's no reason to believe it is your christian god.

Knowing the mechanisms of how earthquakes are formed and behave is not predicated upon knowing who or what "made" plates susceptible to movement. Seismology can function very well without knowing who "created" earthquake because that is completely irrelevant.

 

[theblackhole]

nope still doesn't explain it. human knowledge are insufficient to proof it.

who or what created nature? it can't simply evolved?

if there's no answer yet, i still stick with Jesus!

u r right...stick to jesus...jesus will save you...jesus will help you to understand the wonder of nature. hallelujah!

 

[facial]

Its Yahshua, not Jesus, or does it even matter what you name Him?Where and when did the name Jesus first appear?

 

[VIBGYOR]

u r right...stick to jesus...jesus will save you...jesus will help you to understand the wonder of nature. hallelujah!

are you singabagus in 3in1Kopitam?

 

[VIBGYOR]

Its Yahshua, not Jesus, or does it even matter what you name Him?Where and when did the name Jesus first appear?

Lotsa names, Yahweh, Elohim, Jehovah...etc..

 

[facial]

Is Yahshua aka Jesus God?

 

[VIBGYOR]

Is Yahshua aka Jesus God?

Yahshua is an attempted transliteration of the original Hebrew or Aramaic name of Jesus commonly used by individuals in the Sacred Name religious movement out of Christianity. Those who follow Sacred Name teachings (such as the Assemblies of Yahweh) believe that it is essential to salvation to use the correct pronunciation of the name of the one most Christians call "Jesus". It is believed by some that this is the correct transliteration of the Hebrew יהושע (yod-he-waw-shin-ayin - usually transliterated as Y'hoshua or sometimes Yahoshua), which means "Yahweh is Salvation."

"Yahshua" supporters teach that since the Messiah will "come in his Father's Name", then he must have the name of Yahweh, or at least the abbreviated form (Yah) in his spoken name. (Sacred Name believers teach that "name" is to be interpreted literally as opposed to mean "authority.")

Occasionally one will see the term Yahshuah, inserting the shin into the Tetragrammaton based according to some upon ancient occult literature. "Yahshua" uses the same Hebrew consonants as Y'hoshua (Joshua), but assigns a somewhat different set of vowels. The vast majority of Sacred Name groups use יהושע instead of יהושה ("Yahshuah"). Another popular contraction is Yah'shua with the apostrophe ( ’ ) serving as a division to emphasise the "Yah" aspect of the name and the Hebrew shua (salvation).

Critics say that in their labor to get the pronunciation "Yahshua" out of יהושע, they are ignoring Hebrew linguistics that do not allow the waw to be silent, so "Yahshua" is a questioned translation. Furthermore, it is argued by some that this pronunciation is not yet attested in antiquity, unlike the pronunciation Yehoshua. Some in favor of "Yahshua" argue that the added vowel -o is an attribution of Moses' speech impediment, based on his statement at the burning bush: "I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue."(Exodus 4:10-16 KJV)

Opponents claim this pronunciation of יהושע first came into use during the early days of the Sacred Name movement in the 1930s, perhaps developed by leaders such as Angelo B. Traina and C.O. Dodd. Christians, historians, and linguists outside the sacred name movement for the most part reject the term Yahshua in favor of Yeshua (ישוע) as the original pronunciation.