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HK Political Reform: 1-man-2-votes ssytem. Martin Lee may resign from Democrats

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http://hk.news.yahoo.com/event/fc/20100530/hkactnow.html

最新消息：政府接納「一人兩票」方案


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行政會議 拍板通過接納民主黨的「普選區議會代表」方案（「一人兩票」方案），讓全港近300萬選民可投票選出五名新增的區議會功能組別議員。特首曾蔭權形容，香港 民主進程見曙光，方案亦凝聚社會共識。由於方案已取得立法會足夠票數支持，預料政府提出的政改方案將於周三順利通過。但與此周時，民主黨卻面臨分裂，前主 席李柱銘更表示考慮退黨...
曾 蔭權就政改方案會見傳媒現場 (亞視新聞) (20:30)
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Can you explain what is meant by 1 man 2 votes?
Does it mean every citizen gets 2 votes? What purpose does it serve?
 
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jw5 said:
Uncle

Can you explain what is meant by 1 man 2 votes?
Does it mean every citizen gets 2 votes? What purpose does it serve?
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http://specials.mingpao.com/cfm/New...c2029a617002bf7cc1b7f7f06003bf7d50a1f08e60037

　（2）在2012年，新增的區議會功能組別改變為：由區議員提名，由全港現時沒有功能組別投票權的選民一人一票選出，使全港選民可以享有一人兩票，即一票功能組別和一票地區直選。
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The media released the above.

There is lots of controversies and disagreements.

Basically HK people & opposition had been fighting towards 普選 plus abolishing FC(功能組別) , these are the 2 main agendas of HK politics.

Now there is so called Political Reforms, that will modify electoral system for a compromise.

Basically this new system (proposed) gives people 2 separated sets of voting rights to exercise independently during the poll. 1 set to decide the FC (functional committees) & one more set to decide MPs.

HK legislative council is NOT a National Parliament and their MPs are not really MPs but just the SARs' legislative council members. They each have a seat like our Single Seats SMCs. There are further more 12 functional committees for e.g. Labour; Industries; Legal; Commerce; Engineering; Education; Finance; Medicine;... each only have rights to decide for relevant fields of their own specialties during the legislative process, e.g. Medicine FC have their rights to decide during making of medical laws but not for Engineering laws.

Other normal legislative council members (MPs) have rights to decide any laws by votes. FC only vote during legislations concerning their own fields of specialties. There is a good logical reason for this, because each MP have their own backgrounds and fields of trainings, they are not the same, nor equally good in every aspects. However they have all equal rights or voting power in the legislative process. The FC approach tunes the process by shifting weights & power more towards the hands of those (who are supposedly) know their own fields of specialties better. But this is not agreeable to HK oppositions who already felt that powers are already unfairly manipulated in hands of some powerful minorities in their society, this shift of weight or by via FC, made it worst. Because Tycoons indirectly have more powers within the parliament than the peasants, when it is supposedly one-man-one-vote aka, Lee Kah Sheng (李嘉诚) supposed to have same voting power as Ah Chan (阿灿) within a democracy. The FC offers tycoons direct control of powerful weight shifting votes within legislative process, you can be sure that Lee Kah Sheng (李嘉诚) have some lawyers in the legal FC; and some bankers in the finance FC; and some businessmen within the commerce FC.... etc. Ah Chan (阿灿) will sure lose out big time and no fight possible.

FC system ensures that power of each relevant specialties are more within the hands of their relevant elites. Elite engineers will dominate engineering field, university professors will dominate educational fields. They have much more say then any others outside this field of specialties, and the system allows them to be entrenched for their $$$INTEREST$$$. Each FC is like a castle of power itself.

:( FC takes care of elites, & opposition MPs fights for poor peasants. Peasants depending on opposition MPs will have little chances against these power castles.

http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh/%E5%8A%9F%E8%83%BD%E7%95%8C%E5%88%A5
 
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民主黨黨大會通過接納「一人兩票」方案


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在行政會議早上通過接納民主黨提出的「普選區議會代表」方案（「一人兩票」方案）後，民主黨黨大會深夜亦以246票贊成、63票反對表決通過接納區議會改良方案。民主黨創黨主席李柱銘，對議決感到失望。他表示，暫未決定是否退黨，會放假兩星期，好好思考...
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Mr. Martin Lee is pondering withdrawal of his own party membership from HK Democratic Party which is was the founding chairman. This is over the disputes and controversies regarding 1-man-2-votes political reform.

Good stunts by ruling party & Beijing, the fucking reform trick split & divided the traditionally cooperative HK oppositions. :(

醒定地啦兄弟！中招啦！:eek:

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/100621/18/irg8.html

李柱銘說暫時未決定是否退黨會好好思量


(商台)2010年6月22日 星期二 00:19

民主黨 創黨主席李柱銘 ，對民主黨黨員大會，通過接納區議會 改良方案感到失望。他表示，暫時未決定是否退黨，會放假兩星期，好好思考。
李柱銘表示，本來希望民主黨將今日的討論押後兩星期，他話不相信政府不會亦押後議會討論兩個星期。李柱銘說，以前民主黨經常批評政府，但今次是有史以來，用最短時間要作出一個決定，他說特首昨日中午至表態，民主黨晚上就要作決定，是太倉卒。
 
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