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Good to have a bigger population...

theblackhole

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An economics professor has spoken up to dispel what he perceives to be misconceptions on immigration and Singapore having a bigger population.

Among these, says Nanyang Technological University’s Winsemius Chair Professor of Economics Ng Yew Kwang, are the ones that make people oppose the idea of a larger population for Singapore — congestion, as well as the depletion of existing resources and the crowding out of locals.

“These views are largely based on fallacies, on mistaken ideas,” said Ng, who spoke as a panellist on Thursday evening at a forum by the Economic Society of Singapore on the government’s new budget.

“When you are in a crowded MRT or congested on the road, it’s natural to say that if the number of cars is halved, if the number of passengers is halved, then how nice would it be,” he said.

“So people then blame congestion... this is mistaken. I think we should also think, if each person pays the same tax, same amount to spend on the road, if we halve the number of people, then the width of the road will probably also be halved, then you’re going to have more congestion, not less.

“And with half the number of people, you can’t have so many MRT routes, and the number of bus frequencies would also be very small,” he added.

Turning to capital investment and resources, Ng argued that development and technological advancement is more likely to take place in a densely-populated city, as opposed to the sparsely-populated countryside.

“And on the same earth, is it the sparsely-populated Africa or the most densely-populated continent Europe that has higher per capita income? And the spectacular scientific and technological advancements and the industrial revolution, did it take place in sparse Africa or did it take place in the densely populated Western Europe? So the anti-population (argument) is fallacious.”

Turning to the argument that a country’s per capita resources decrease with a larger population, Ng responded that immigrants “cannot take away the resources that are owned by Singaporeans and the Singapore government without payment”.

“In fact, with more people coming in, the higher demand pushes up the prices of things owned by locals, and pushes down the input price of immigrants, and make locals better off. Seen in another way, with more people coming in, the local people have more people to cooperate, supplement them and increase their productivity — this is true even in the absence of economies of scale and in the presence of pollution and congestion,” he added.

Therefore, said Ng, the intensified measures to curb the influx of foreign workers in this year’s budget are “not only bad for Singapore but also bad for Singaporeans”.

“It’s like a tax on imports of services, and this is against free trade, which is good for Singapore,” he explained, adding that even though his view is very unpopular he felt he had to say it “because it is the correct view”.

Asked later on about the negative impact of lower-skilled foreign workers crowding out lower-income Singaporeans who compete for the same jobs, Ng acknowledged this, but maintained that the overall impact for Singaporeans as a whole is still a good one.

“If you have immigration of low-skilled workers then it’s good for Singaporeans as a whole, but it’s bad for unskilled Singaporeans because it depresses the wage rates,” he said. “Then it may be bad in terms of happiness and welfare terms. I’m still in favour of an immigration policy, but then it has to be supplemented by help to the poor.”

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Professor Ng Yew Kwang speaks on his opposition to anti-immigration policies in this year's Budget. (Yahoo! photo)
 

Agoraphobic

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It may be a good idea for Peesai to have a large population. Maybe then, with a larger talent pool, Sg can select a halfway decent soccer team that can play the game decently.

Cheers!
 

Fook Seng

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It may be a good idea for Peesai to have a large population. Maybe then, with a larger talent pool, Sg can select a halfway decent soccer team that can play the game decently.

Cheers!

We will then need to import a large number from Malaysia and Indonesia. It is no longer a secret that Chinese dislike playing soccer, particularly professional soccer.
 

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More sinkies would please a certain forummer here, especially if they are mostly meat eaters.
 

Spock

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“And with half the number of people, you can’t have so many MRT routes, and the number of bus frequencies would also be very small,” he added.

He needs to first ask if SMRT and SBS are making profits that are too obscene. There is no ombudsman to question this even though the essential service providers have too much power over the market.
 

Agoraphobic

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We will then need to import a large number from Malaysia and Indonesia. It is no longer a secret that Chinese dislike playing soccer, particularly professional soccer.

You're right. Chinese can only play ping-pong. BTW, Malays can play football meh? Dont see any top-notch soccer player who is Malay leh?

Cheers!
 

kopiuncle

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i hope and pray that singapore will merge with malaysia
we need this merger for our long term survival
i hope our present leaders will start cultivating such aspiration....
 

Fook Seng

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You're right. Chinese can only play ping-pong. BTW, Malays can play football meh? Dont see any top-notch soccer player who is Malay leh?

Cheers!

Malays love to play soccer. Problem is they don't like strength and fitness training.
 

red amoeba

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I din noe sungei road got sell professorship, cos that's where I think he bought his. Half the population means everything half? He think everything just x2 ? R n d happen faster in densely populated areas ? So logically Australia is a land of spastic kids ? N Monaco is filled w rocket scientists ?

Come this year ndp, prof Ng will b in running for national day award n medal.
 
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Fook Seng

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“If you have immigration of low-skilled workers then it’s good for Singaporeans as a whole, but it’s bad for unskilled Singaporeans because it depresses the wage rates,” he said. “Then it may be bad in terms of happiness and welfare terms. I’m still in favour of an immigration policy, but then it has to be supplemented by help to the poor.”

The poor does not want to always hold out their hands and beg for alms. They want to earn a decent salary and be able to stand on their own feet.

The unbridled capitalism where low unit cost of production determines how a company operates and in Singapore where the country is run just like a profit making corporation, this has caused an abnormally high inequality in income and a high Gini coefficient.

Already in many open market countries, the uncomfortable effect on social stability is being felt. In the USA, where the Gini is also high, it gives rise to Occupy Wall Street and this movement has replicated in many other countries.

In Switzerland, 68% of people have recently voted for an initiative to rein in top executive pay and to put a ban on golden parachutes, a term used for extremely high severance payment. A bill in parliament will follow to pass a law to forbid retired or sacked top management members from getting more than a small reasonable sum.

In the Netherlands, the severance pay is capped at 75,000 Euros and in France, the top pay in the public service is kept at 20 times the pay of the lowest worker.

This propagation of keeping the low end pay low and allowing the top salaries with practically no ceiling to grow is fast becoming an old fashion idea because of the social ills that it brings. So what is this professor talking about?
 
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