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Good News. ERP to be scrap

Conan the Barbarian

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For London

Mon, Dec 01, 2008
Reuters

London's 'ERP' extension to go

LONDON: The western extension to London's congestion charge zone, similar to Singapore's ERP, is to be scrapped after two-thirds of Londoners and businesses said they wanted it removed, Mayor Boris Johnson has said.

A consultation on the future of the extension, brought in by former mayor Ken Livingstone in February last year, found that 67 per cent of individuals and 86 per cent of businesses favoured scrapping the scheme.

With a few exceptions, such as taxi drivers and motorcyclists, all motorists have to pay a weekday charge of £8 (S$18) to drive through the parts of London covered by the scheme.

Plans to extend the congestion charge zone, the world's largest, had always attracted fierce opposition and in the manifesto for the Conservatives' mayoral election campaign earlier this year, Mr Johnson vowed to ask the public for their views.

"I promised I would respect their opinions and I promised that if clear support for a particular way forward emerged then I would act," he said on Thursday. "Londoners have spoken loud and clear, and the majority of people have said they would like the scheme scrapped."

Mr Johnson said he has started the legal process to remove the extension, which includes top shopping areas such as Chelsea's Kings Road; Knightsbridge, home to luxury store Harrods; Kensington and Notting Hill.

The earliest this can be completed is early 2010.

Business groups welcomed the move but Mr Johnson's decision was branded a "foolish and backward step" by his Labour opponents and one that would cost Transport for London (TfL) £70million.

"London's environment as a whole will suffer and local residents will no longer enjoy having 30,000 fewer cars a day clogging up their streets," said Labour transport spokesman Val Shawcross.

The Campaign for Better Transport argued that the extension had helped reduce city traffic by 10per cent.

In August, a TfL report found that while traffic levels had fallen significantly since the congestion charge was first introduced in 2003, London's roads were as clogged up as before it was brought in.
 

kansas

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The western extension to London's congestion charge zone, similar to Singapore's ERP, is to be scrapped after two-thirds of Londoners and businesses said they wanted it removed,

How come Singaporeans say they want ERP removed and gahment never listen? :p
 

theblackhole

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erp cannot be removed. otherwise the whole city becomes one big car park! londoners are different from sinkies lah...we only obey rules...and we don't break rules...we are the most kwai kwai people in the world..no wonder we all so peaceful and so kwai kwai one...
 

cass888

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The people who can easily afford cars wants ERP.
The people who can barely afford cars got no balls.
The people who cannot afford cars cannot be bothered.:biggrin:

Wrong. The people not in cars want higher ERP and less cars so their buses travel faster. Also, they know that if ERP goes up, COE goes down and maybe they can afford cars.

#1 + #3 > #2. So #2 should just succumb to the will of the majority.
 

miosux

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Wrong. The people not in cars want higher ERP and less cars so their buses travel faster. Also, they know that if ERP goes up, COE goes down and maybe they can afford cars.

#1 + #3 > #2. So #2 should just succumb to the will of the majority.

i don't think people want to just "afford cars" and leave them as a trophy at home with skyhigh ERP rates.

do you take the bus/mrt to work everyday? at morning and evening peak? if u tried, maybe, just maybe you can sniff the shit that the people put up with every bloody day, and that's why they aspire to owning an automobile - autonomous mobility - free from the unpredictable waiting times and the discomfort of being packed like sardines every friggin day. NOT to just "afford cars" as trophies.
 

Conan the Barbarian

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Yep, the whole idea of having cars is to save time from
travelling (standing) in our world class transport system.
Also the convenience of not having to lug our things around
by hand or push strollers on MRT and buses.

Its not a trophy to keep at home.
 

cass888

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Do you drve everyday? If you do, then maybe you can feel the frustration when there is congestion congestion and wish that you could just pay another $5 ERP (that's only 20 days x $5 = $100 anyway, heck $10 is only $200 more) to force some of the cars to stay at home.

i don't think people want to just "afford cars" and leave them as a trophy at home with skyhigh ERP rates.

do you take the bus/mrt to work everyday? at morning and evening peak? if u tried, maybe, just maybe you can sniff the shit that the people put up with every bloody day, and that's why they aspire to owning an automobile - autonomous mobility - free from the unpredictable waiting times and the discomfort of being packed like sardines every friggin day. NOT to just "afford cars" as trophies.
 

2lanu

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erp cannot be removed. otherwise the whole city becomes one big car park! londoners are different from sinkies lah...we only obey rules...and we don't break rules...we are the most kwai kwai people in the world..no wonder we all so peaceful and so kwai kwai one...

We dun break rules here but break rules out of SG. Hahaha
 

Cestbon

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I support gov on ERP. They should increase the rate to double/tripple the current rate and add more ERP grantry. I don't mind paying more with less car on the road because time is money.
 

johnny333

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How come Singaporeans say they want ERP removed and gahment never listen? :p

Must be because of confuscianism. LKYs confusing ideas is the best for Spore. Removal of ERP can only be a communist plot, or chinese chauvinist, or.....
 
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