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Serious Good Minister Shan Admits New FICA Law Is Inadequate! Like Using Toy Gun To Fight Against Bazooka! Need Tougher Laws Pls!

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SINGAPORE - A law against foreign interference was on Monday (Oct 4) passed by Singapore's Parliament after a 10-hour airing in the House, three years after it was first raised and three weeks after the extensive, hotly debated legislation was tabled.

"This Bill is intended to address a serious threat that concerns our national security and sovereignty," said Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam.

"And these are important to ensure that Singaporeans continue to make our own choices on how we should govern our country and live our lives."

The Foreign Interference (Countermeasures) Act, or Fica, aims to tackle foreign meddling in domestic politics conducted through hostile information campaigns and the use of local proxies.

During the debate, 16 MPs from both sides of the aisle surfaced criticisms and concerns raised by lawyers, experts and civil society activists in recent days, including over the law's broad language and lack of judicial oversight.

These resulted in a parliamentary petition to delay its passage put forward by Non-Constituency MP Leong Mun Wai, a raft of proposed changes tabled by the Workers' Party (WP), and recorded dissent from opposition MPs at the final vote — but the ruling People's Action Party's supermajority meant Fica's passage was a given.

At around 11.15pm, the Bill was passed with 75 MPs saying "yes", 11 from the WP and Progress Singapore Party objecting, and two Nominated MPs abstaining.

WP chief Pritam Singh had called for a division in which each MP's vote is recorded.

Some proposed amendments to the Bill by the WP were accepted by the Government, including to expand the list of defined politically significant persons to include a member of the executive committee or similar governing body of a political party.

Another accepted modification was to make it obligatory to publicise the designations of these persons, as well as some stepped-up countermeasures against them.

The party had also suggested additional provisions allowing appeals to the court and a public registry of politically significant persons among other changes, which it said would lower the likelihood of abuse of power and lead to greater transparency.

Other MPs had also suggested for greater checks and balances to be incorporated into the law, citing "extensive" discretion granted to the authorities.

Mr Shanmugam offered a biting response, noting that "rhetoric alone doesn't solve problems".

"Parliament is not just a forum for reading out speeches with an intent of putting it out in social media eventually… without offering real suggestions.
We need to engage on the issues," he said.

Mr Shanmugam agreed that while executive powers must be subject to checks and balances, the questions are in what form and what are the appropriate and best solutions for Singapore's context.

Earlier, in a speech running more than two hours long to kick off the debate, Mr Shanmugam said Singapore's interracial and inter-religious mix was easily exploitable by foreign actors, who have been steadily building up covert, clever narratives to try an condition Singaporeans' thinking.

"In my view, this is one of the most serious threats we face, and our population and I think most MPs are not really aware of this," he said.

While international media regularly identifies Russia, China, Iran and North Korea as perpetrators, the United States and other Western countries have similar, or in the case of the US, even superior capabilities, added the minister.


He also said foreign interference and the need for legislation have been extensively discussed and debated for more than three years now, dating back to 2018, when a select committee set up to study the issue of fake news gathered detailed evidence on the seriousness of the threat.

Mr Shanmugam also described Fica as offering a more calibrated approach for the Internet age in contrast to blunter levers in other laws, and argued that the risk of rogue foreign interference was far greater than the risk of a rogue government abusing its power.

He also noted that the scope of Fica was narrower than that of laws in America and Australia on political activity by foreign persons or entities, and rejected suggestions by the WP to classify senior civil servants as politically significant persons.

And to protect sensitive information, appeals against directions issued should be heard by an independent reviewing tribunal instead of the courts, he said.

Mr Shanmugam also addressed the law's impact on trust in public institutions.

"Let's get real… Trust doesn't depend on putting in a series of legislation, just copying other (jurisdictions) whose trust levels are abysmally low."

High trust levels in Singapore can be attributed to its performance, probity, leaders' behaviour and exercise of powers, he said, adding that trust would also dissipate quickly in the face of abuse and corruption - particularly in a small place like the Republic.

The minister admitted that in the process of drafting Fica with his officers, there were parts he wished had turned out differently.

"But the threat we face is people armed with bazookas, and I describe this legislation as a toy gun," he said.

"Singapore believes in the law, so we give ourselves legal powers. But in reality the kind of threats we face, the kind of adversaries and the resources they have in terms of manpower, are far greater than what we have.

"Our people haven't even begun to realise what the problem is, and the nature of the problem."

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/s...-interference-domestic-politics-after-10-hour
 
I hope the first persons they take down with FICA are AWARE and Kirsten Han
 
I hope the first persons they take down with FICA are AWARE and Kirsten Han

The pappies have to pander to the feminazis to secure the votes from the wimmin and the libtards obsessed with 'equality'.

At the very least, pay lip service to them.

So no, FICA will not touch AWARE. AWARE has a role to play in their political game.
 
MHA operates without fear nor favour. They have taken down PAP ministers for corruption before. Remember Teh and Pey?
Those cases had nothing to do with MHA. Corruption cases under CPIB and they report to PMO.

Trust me, if the scenario was ideal back then, both these chaps wouldn’t be prosecuted.

They would either retire or resign. It’s always the Bo Pien Act when PAP takes action against one of their own.
 
MHA operates without fear nor favour. They have taken down PAP ministers for corruption before. Remember Teh and Pey?
That was when LKY was boss. His useless cowardly son dare not do anything in the event they point back to his HPL saga and the seatwarmer is just a piece of wood being nailed on the same.
 
Is it national security they are concerned about or PAP interest?
 
That was when LKY was boss. His useless cowardly son dare not do anything in the event they point back to his HPL saga and the seatwarmer is just a piece of wood being nailed on the same.

If you have evidence of the good PM Lee's wrongdoing, please report to the police or CPIB. They will investigate the case without fear nor favour. The Singapore judiciary system is famous for impartiality.
 
Those cases had nothing to do with MHA. Corruption cases under CPIB and they report to PMO.

Trust me, if the scenario was ideal back then, both these chaps wouldn’t be prosecuted.

They would either retire or resign. It’s always the Bo Pien Act when PAP takes action against one of their own.

PAP had nearly full control of Parliament when it took down Tey and Pey. If it was some other asiatic country, corrupted ministers would have gotten away scot free. Just look at the jiuhu and indon.
 
If you have evidence of the good PM Lee's wrongdoing, please report to the police or CPIB. They will investigate the case without fear nor favour. The Singapore judiciary system is famous for impartiality.
Sg judiaciary is known to be fair when it comes to criminal and commercial cases.
When it comes to political rulings, everyone knows its all a joke.
 
If we had FICA decades ago, we would have taken down the wankers for colluding with the CIA.
It was like going after a mosquito with an Axe. If failed, come up with another law that allows knife, gun, fire....etc, when in fact insect spray that is being used in the past suffice. So, what is the purpose of Axe, Gun and Fire? Surely, the PAP has hidden agenda more than just saying mosquito is dangerous. It is the usual insecuity syndrom at work when a person is covered with guilt and bad conscience.
 
Sg judiaciary is known to be fair when it comes to criminal and commercial cases.

Either the judiciary is fair or it isn't.

Politicians in Singapore and elsewhere often wear many hats. A judiciary system that is fair will prosecute a politician if they take bribes from the private sector or break any law while operating a business in the private sector.

In jiuhu, political rulings are usually mixed with commercial and criminal cases. Najib got away with the criminal case of murdering his mongolian mistress, taking bribes in the private sector.

Loofydralb said:
When it comes to political rulings, everyone knows its all a joke.

When oppies and jihadists use terms like 'everyone', it always doesn't mean every single person in the country. Wild exaggerations make you appear dishonest and your case very weak.

Clearly, the SDP doesn't think our courts political ruling to be a joke. They spent money to appeal the Pofma labels and won a partial victory.
 
It was like going after a mosquito with an Axe. If failed, come up with another law that allows knife, gun, fire....etc, when in fact insect spray that is being used in the past suffice. So, what is the purpose of Axe, Gun and Fire? Surely, the PAP has hidden agenda more than just saying mosquito is dangerous. It is the usual insecuity syndrom at work when a person is covered with guilt and bad conscience.

It's better to speak directly instead of using analogies. Nearly all the time, the analogy used is biased towards your case. An analogy that favours your case doesn't mean your case is correct. They are two separate incidents with no relations to each other.
 
When oppies and jihadists use terms like 'everyone', it always doesn't mean every single person in the country. Wild exaggerations make you appear dishonest and your case very weak.
Everyone here means people outside Sg and those in Sg who hates being hit by lightning.

SDP suing the POFMA case is a win win situation. If the courts threw out the appeal, it validates the joke. If the court accepts the appeal, the Minister is the joke.
 
Everyone here means people outside Sg and those in Sg who hates being hit by lightning.

To me, 'everyone' is defined as every single person, same definition as in the dictionary and different from yours. I am a businessman and accuracy of terms is important. I can't make business deals based on exaggerations and inflated figures.

SDP suing the POFMA case is a win win situation. If the courts threw out the appeal, it validates the joke. If the court accepts the appeal, the Minister is the joke.

Parliament already made it clear that the court is the final arbiter of what is truth and what is falsehood. The recent SDP appeals merely confirms that. The Minister could be wrong.
 
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