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Gay Loong tries to justify but digging himself deeper hole in Roy's legal case

Papsmearer

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Gay Loong finally commented on his legal action against Roy. And he justified it by bringing up an article on FT that is totally unrelated to his case. Don't be fulled by this pathetic attempt to spin the situation. Gay Loong used an article from the Financial Times in a case before the European Court of Human Rights to justify the lawsuit. What he failed to mentioned is the following:

- In the article, popular widely read blogs moderated by an individual or a company, was the emphasis. It says that people can write defamatory comments anonymously, and the blog admin has to remove the offence comments. Failure to do so resulted in the above case in the European Court of Human Rights. However, this case specifically refers to commercial websites and in particular, the offender was Delphi. Because Delphi operates the website for profit, it had a legal obligation to remove offending and defamatory comments.
- The article mentions that most responsible sites and blogs do monitor the comments and contents and take steps to remove offensive ones as soon as possible or when requested to do so. NO LEGAL ACTION was mentioned if this was done.
- Roy did remove the offending comments when asked to do so by Gay Loong's lawyer. Therefore, he has self moderated himself, and is actually doing the right thing according to this FT article. In addition, his blog is not a commercial enterprise as I did not see any banners or advertising on it. It was a personal blog, and therefore, not covered under this court case.

Therefore, I find this a pathetic attempt by Gay Loong to do damage control by dredging up this article on a case 7 years ago in Estonia.


For the first time since launching a defamation suit against local blogger Roy Ngerng, Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong spoke up on Tuesday about freedom of speech online.

In a post on his Facebook page on Tuesday evening, Lee shared an article from the Financial Times about a European Court of Human Rights ruling that a website must anticipate insulting or defamatory comments and be prepared to either moderate or remove them promptly.

“It is not the last word on the matter. But it reflects how societies are still finding the right balance between freedom of speech and responsible online behaviour,” the prime minister wrote in text accompanying the link.

“This is a tough problem to solve, but we need to develop our own ways to keep online conduct civil and constructive,” he added.

His comments come amid criticism against him for pursuing a defamation case against healthcare worker Ngerng, author of the The Heart Truths blog, for allegedly accusing the prime minister of “criminal misappropriation” of public funds in a post on May 15.

The defamation suit was filed in the High Court, where the typical minimum value of claims for damages is S$250,000.

Ngerng, the first online critic sued by a Singapore leader, said he has raised more than $80,000 for his legal defence from more than 1,000 people in just five days through crowdfunding.

The FT article highlighted by Lee was previously shared by Minister for Communications and Information Yaacob Ibrahim on his Facebook page, where he reiterated his previously-voiced stance that “the right to speak freely and responsibly must go together”.

Lee’s post triggered a flurry of comments about the defamation suit. Some users agreed with the prime minister’s decision while others criticized the suit against Ngerng, who is represented by human rights lawyer M Ravi.

Wrote one Facebook user Nervin Pillai, “As a Prime Minister, do you think it is morally correct to sue your own citizen?… Prime Minister, always bear in mind that you work for Singapore, not the other way around.”

Responding to him, another user, Danial Lim, said, “No one is saying citizens can’t criticize the CPF system or any other govt policies. But to allege that a govt official is misappropriating public funds is ground for a lawsuit. It is more than a disagreement; it is malicious slander. The challenge to a discussion is not sincere, more like an attempt by Roy Ngerng to claw back what little credibility he had.”

Yet another commenter, Amirul Adli, said, “Now I’m not supporting (Ngerng) but if the PM were to just issue a direct reply instead of pursuing a libel case he would’ve gained the respect of much of the Internet community.”

“If the bases are sound and the points are valid, why cower and why sidestep the issue by appealing to ‘no freedom of speech’?” asked another commenter named Jennifer Lim Choon Yeoh. “Let’s support and demand responsible speech,” she added.
 
That is how an incompetent loser sounds like. and he is actually a PM ??? wahahahah..that is a total joke.
 
It was a co-ordinated effort cooked up with the useless Yakult, who posted something on the theme and LHL responded rather quickly to highlight the theme. Pathetic. PM got nothing to do but check around other ministers' FB posting? I thought he said only unhappy people go online and FB?
 
It was a co-ordinated effort cooked up with the useless Yakult, who posted something on the theme and LHL responded rather quickly to highlight the theme. Pathetic. PM got nothing to do but check around other ministers' FB posting? I thought he said only unhappy people go online and FB?

He got lots of time mah. Checking FB, sueing bloggers, etc. Don't know how hard he works for his $ million dollars salary.
 
Don't let Pinky and Yakult brainwash you.

This is all you need to know about freedom of speech.

For the tyrants, 'responsible' or 'constructive' can be substituted with the words 'flattery' or 'praise'.
Don't be fooled.


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hahaha....same shit, different day...
don't understand why the empty vessel talk so much cocccck for what???
you want to bring down lky/lhl/papee.....so bloody easy...
Originally Posted by papsmearer

Sigh..............I have to explain everything again. That is not his "personal friend". That is his half brother that he went to Taiwan to see. Back in the 70s and 60s, Old Goat LKY had a mistress in Taiwan. The Mistress was handpicked for him by Chiang Ching Kuo. He was always travelling to Taiwan in those days, usually without Gecko. Gecko allowed him to have the mistress on the condition it was not in singapore. The half brother is almost Gay Loong's age, and people who have met him say he even looks like Gay Loong. I believe that all this was revealed to Gay Loong when he became PM, and his father ask him to go and see the brother. Can you imagine that Gay Loong would risk such a serious political implication if it was not a significant event. I guess going to meet your half brother for the first time is a significant event and worth the risk to him. You really think Gay Loong went all the way to Taiwan to fuck a pussy or fuck a gay? Please. Singapore got plenty of whores of both male and female persuasion, go all the way there to fuck them? Makes no sense right? My story is the right one. I am related to a very reliable source who knows this.

just expose the name of lky mistress and illegitimate son and game over for them....
really useless idiot..... good for talking cocccck..
 
In the aftermath of the court case, tinpot dictators all over the world would simg praises at the resolute and decisive actions taken by our prime minister. A true pioneer and visionary!
 
i agree Roy made a strategic miscalculation of accusing PM Lee of misapporpriating CPF funds,he should have accused the prime minister of being a bapok and manhunter,these accusations are harder to dispute and could jolly well be a career finisher.although singapore is not a islamic state,i believe singaporeans are generally a homophobic lot enough to condemn a homosexual being in the prime minister's office.
 
This twit looks like a bleached version of JBJ.

I suggest you rethink your comment on this individual...

From Wikipedia

Avram Noam Chomsky (born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist, philosopher,cognitive scientist, logician, political commentator and activist. Sometimes described as the "father of modern linguistics", Chomsky is also a major figure in analytic philosophy. He has spent most of his career at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he is currently Professor Emeritus, and has authored over 100 books. He has been described as a prominent cultural figure, and was voted the "world's top public intellectual" in a 2005 poll.

Calling a person who was voted as the "world's top public intellectual" a twit is telling the whole world how "big" a brain you have.
 
Calling a person who was voted as the "world's top public intellectual" a twit is telling the whole world how "big" a brain you have.

If he was really a top public intellectual, he wouldn't be sprouting such rubbish. :rolleyes: Everyone knows freedom of speech does not give you the right to go around insulting others.

A real intellectual would say something along the lines.."If you have nothing nice to say, it would be best to say nothing.".
 
If he was really a top public intellectual, he wouldn't be sprouting such rubbish. :rolleyes: Everyone knows freedom of speech does not give you the right to go around insulting others.

A real intellectual would say something along the lines.."If you have nothing nice to say, it would be best to say nothing.".

i disagree,lee kuan yew would have said something along the lines of "hard truths to keep singapore going"...no matter how ludicrous the hard truths.

u really dont know this guy?he is a legend.watch his old debates.
 
i disagree,lee kuan yew would have said something along the lines of "hard truths to keep singapore going"...no matter how ludicrous the hard truths.

u really dont know this guy?he is a legend.watch his old debates.


Smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY fart through his mouth and eat through his anus.
The kindest thing to be done to LKY is to drag that bastard from his death bed or wheel chair and hang and dangle him from lamp post to see that bastard dance

Then our yam seng can start and hooting of his bapok son Arseloon can commence
 
If he was really a top public intellectual, he wouldn't be sprouting such rubbish. :rolleyes: Everyone knows freedom of speech does not give you the right to go around insulting others.

A real intellectual would say something along the lines.."If you have nothing nice to say, it would be best to say nothing.".

He did not say or accommodate about insulting others as freedom of speech.
He did say about accepting other views though you do not like them.
Your understanding on his freedom of speech is zero.
 
If he was really a top public intellectual, he wouldn't be sprouting such rubbish. :rolleyes: Everyone knows freedom of speech does not give you the right to go around insulting others.

A real intellectual would say something along the lines.."If you have nothing nice to say, it would be best to say nothing.".

What intellectual bullshit her has? intelligent , yes! any fool can see....we are talking about credibility here , the only one he has, is he is the son of somebody & rides on that coat tail.

Other than that, I do not even bother to read or hear his speeches..ash for his Dad that, is a different story. Roy is an Idiot, falling for their old trick....but I support him, with a donation , not on that, but on the issue of CPF & the ability to SLAP PAP on this & their bully tactics...

There is a decorum...but we are free to insult, don't tell me, I can't call you a TWIT?
 
It was a co-ordinated effort cooked up with the useless Yakult, who posted something on the theme and LHL responded rather quickly to highlight the theme. Pathetic. PM got nothing to do but check around other ministers' FB posting? I thought he said only unhappy people go online and FB?

Yep, that's right. Yaacock got arrowed to back up his boss.
 
If he was really a top public intellectual, he wouldn't be sprouting such rubbish. :rolleyes: Everyone knows freedom of speech does not give you the right to go around insulting others.

A real intellectual would say something along the lines.."If you have nothing nice to say, it would be best to say nothing.".

Actually, freedom of speech does allow someone to express her/his thoughts.. so if he/she feels that someone or something is not to their liking, they can express their feelings. However, how far they go in expressing themselves.. is not up to anyone to say. One can go overboard.. and possibly get sued.. but that is the price of freedom of speech.

If you want to control it in anyway.. then it's not FREEDOM anymore.. is it?
 
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