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Gas, oil prices to double by 2012, CIBC economist predicts

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Gas, oil prices to double by 2012, CIBC economist predicts

Alia McMullen, Financial Post
Published: Thursday, April 24, 2008
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CIBC World Markets' Jeff Rubin stands by a screen showing his predictions for gas prices to double by 2012.

TORONTO -- Forget the fuss about US$100 oil; the liquid gold will be trading twice as high within the next few years as production stalls, Canada's most aggressive oil forecaster says.

Jeff Rubin, chief economist at CIBC World Markets says oil production will barely grow over the next five years, edging up barely more than 1-million barrels a day over the next three years, and only half a million barrels a day between 2010 and 2012.

The increases will fall far short of demand, forcing the price of crude oil to surge to US$150 a barrel by 2010, and over US$200 a barrel by 2012. The updated forecast is aggressively higher than Mr. Rubin's previous forecast of US$150 a barrel by 2010 and follows the recent record-breaking run in light crude prices, which fell just US10-cents short of US$120 a barrel on Tuesday.

"Despite the recent record jump in oil prices, the outlook suggests that oil prices will continue to rise steadily over the next five years, almost doubling from current levels," Mr. Rubin said in his latest oil outlook report.

"Whether in fact, these levels will define ultimate production peaks or not, cannot of course be known at this time, but whether they do or do not define such peaks, they indicate at a minimum that world oil markets will remain as tight over the next five years as they have over the last two years."

He said growing demand for fuel from developing countries such as India would drive a surge in car ownership, and hence intensify demand for fuel. However, surging prices would cause demand to ease in the United States, with gasoline prices, already averaging US$3.60 a gallon, climbing to well over US$4 a gallon this summer and as much as US$7 a gallon by 2012.

Furthermore, he said a rise in natural gas liquids found in current oil production was a sign of depleting oil supply as falling well pressure releases natural gas trapped in mature oil fields.

The forecasts goes against many strategists that expect slower global and U.S. economic growth to drag oil prices back below US$100 a barrel this year
 

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It all started with Goldman Sachs and suddenly everyone is jumping on the bandwagon predicting oil prices to double, triple or quadruple in the years ahead.

Oil prices is dependent on the global economic health and yes the V shape recovery which most people assumed is a given judging by the way equity markets have performed.Let's see how it pans out in the next 2 quarters.
 

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It all started with Goldman Sachs and suddenly everyone is jumping on the bandwagon predicting oil prices to double, triple or quadruple in the years ahead.

Oil prices is dependent on the global economic health and yes the V shape recovery which most people assumed is a given judging by the way equity markets have performed.Let's see how it pans out in the next 2 quarters.

Goldman is the chief culprit for speculating oil price to the all time high.

they& MS have been renting oil tankers and oil storage facicilities to store the oil that they have taken delivery of when it was at 90, 100 & 110. if you do a search on it, you can find the articles

so this bastards are up to their dirty tricks again
 

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Goldman is the chief culprit for speculating oil price to the all time high.

they& MS have been renting oil tankers and oil storage facicilities to store the oil that they have taken delivery of when it was at 90, 100 & 110. if you do a search on it, you can find the articles

so this bastards are up to their dirty tricks again

Agree and they are getting away with it.
 

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even 10 times also need to pay. at that time, from changi airport to suntec city will be $500.


I'm guessing the next upgrade to the MRT system is to lengthen the length per stations so that they can squeeze more cars per trip :rolleyes:
 

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<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oTICXL0V4bA/SCVuEWPGz9I/AAAAAAAAAyI/oXT4bqdfq4I/s1600-h/LKY+vs+GS.JPG"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oTICXL0V4bA/SCVuEWPGz9I/AAAAAAAAAyI/oXT4bqdfq4I/s400/LKY+vs+GS.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5198682365836578770" border="0"></a><br>Two months ago, Lee Kuan Yew, Minister Mentor of Singapore and Chairman of GIC, made the following statements about oil prices, as reported by the Straits Times:<br></p><blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold;">Oil prices 'unlikely to rise further' </span><br><span style="font-size: 85%;">March 8, 2008 (Straits Times)<br><br>OIL prices are not likely to go higher, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew said yesterday.<br><br>As crude oil prices hit US$105 (S$145) per barrel, </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 85%;">MM Lee believes it is not likely to creep further up to US$110.<br><br></span><span style="font-size: 85%;">'The oil suppliers are testing the limits. They believe that China and India now form a new long-term base demand. They may be right,' he said.<br><br>'I don't think it can go up US$110, US$120, US$150 and the world economy goes on. Inflation will go through the roof.<br><br>'Economies of the West will go down, hyper-inflation in many developing countries. So it will go into reverse. There's no projection right to the end.'</span></blockquote>Well, shortly after Lee Kuan Yew's pronouncement, Oil prices shot up above $110, and <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/oil_prices;_ylt=AgNW4CJjr32yLoWY3zgY33KAsnsA">today is trading at above $125</a>.<br><br><div style="text-align: center;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oTICXL0V4bA/SCUkE2PGz7I/AAAAAAAAAx4/PGNvP1R2QsE/s1600-h/20080425-lee-kuan-yew-110-oil-comments.png"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oTICXL0V4bA/SCUkE2PGz7I/AAAAAAAAAx4/PGNvP1R2QsE/s400/20080425-lee-kuan-yew-110-oil-comments.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5198601010566057906" border="0"></a><span style="font-size: 85%;">(Image courtesy of <a href="http://cleantechcollective.com/TheEnergyCollective/21888">theenergycollective</a>)</span><br></div><br>On top of that, just a few days ago, respected Goldman Sachs Analysts <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=apQjjLKQVm_k&amp;refer=home#">have predicted that oil could spike up towards $150 </a>and even maybe $200!<blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold;">Goldman Says Oil `Likely' to Reach $150-200 a Barrel</span><br><span style="font-size: 85%;">By Nesa Subrahmaniyan<br><br>May 6 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil prices may rise to between $150 and $200 a barrel within two years because of a lack of adequate supply growth, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analysts led by Arjun N. Murti said in a report.<br><br>``<span style="font-weight: bold;">The possibility of $150-$200 per barrel seems increasingly likely over the next six-24 months, </span>though predicting the ultimate peak in oil prices as well as the remaining duration of the upcycle remains a major uncertainty,'' the Goldman analysts wrote in the report dated May 5.<br><br>Global fuel demand growth is outpacing gains in output. China, the world's fastest growing major economy, has more than doubled oil use since New York crude dropped to this decade's low of $16.70 a barrel on Nov. 19, 2001. That's soaked up most of the world's spare capacity amid supply cuts in Nigeria, Iraq and Venezuela.</span></blockquote> Well well, wrong again, Mr. Lee Kuan Yew.<br><br>Wrong on energy, and wrong on banking.<br><br>Not only are the industry's most respected analysts holding opinions diametrically opposite to you, the world's most respected investors, such as <a href="http://utwt.blogspot.com/2008/05/lee-kuan-yew-vs-warren-buffett-round-2.html">Warren Buffett</a> and <a href="http://utwt.blogspot.com/2008/04/gic-ubs-jim-rogers.html">Jim Rogers</a>, have also made the opposite investment decisions compared to you.<br><br>Seriously, what is Lee Kuan Yew doing as the Chairman of GIC, Singapore's $300 billion investment fund? <span style="font-style: italic;">The man isn't qualified for the post!</span><br><br>----------------<br>Related:<br><a href="http://utwt.blogspot.com/2008/05/lee-kuan-yew-vs-warren-buffett-round-2.html">Lee Kuan Yew vs Warren Buffett: Part 2</a><br><a href="http://utwt.blogspot.com/2008/04/lee-kuan-yew-aint-no-warren-buffett.html">Lee Kuan Yew Ain't No Warren Buffett</a><br><a href="http://utwt.blogspot.com/2008/04/gic-ubs-jim-rogers.html">GIC, UBS &amp; Jim Rogers</a>
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<p>LKY will never admit GIC mistakes because he has already given himself 20-30 years to prove that he is right.</p>
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<p>Out of so many comments he is bound to be correct in a few instances. If it is wrong, just sweep it under the carpet.</p>
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<p>20/30 years time, he is no more in this earth,does not matter right or wrong</p>
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<p>He's just a used car salesman who knows nothing about the product that he's selling. Piece of shit.</p>
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<p>Hi Gary Teoh;<br><br>it matters a lot to his offsprings, but he won't be around to be responsible to anybody or for anything.<br><br>He could outsmart himself, a moment of folly could destroy many things, including ones' credit.<br><br>patriot.</p>
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<p>His deputy at GIC was recently reported saying that the global recession would be the worst in many decades. A few days later, he "clarified" that this was a worst-case scenario of GIC, not his.<br><br>A couple of days ago, SWF would have a more difficult time managing their reserves in light of the global credit crunch.<br><br>I can only conclude three things from these:-<br><br>One, why all these gloomy outlook now after investing billions in UBS and Citicorp? This sounds like a case of preparing the ground for investments gone wrong.<br><br>Two, when liquidity was high investment risks were higher, not lower. With credit supply coming down, the returns are higher or much higher and reflect risks better. The global liquidity crunch would present opportunities for true investors, especially those with access to ample funds (like SWF).<br><br>Three, these pronouncements from GIC are worrying for Singapore. It calls into questions, the real reasons for the large investments and timing.<br><br>Thanks to UWT for monitoring such developments.<br><br>MadameG</p>
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<p>who give green light to all these investment ? president?guardian of our reserve ? parliament ? PM? who?,we citizens got the right to know!!</p>
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<p>gary teoh,<br><br>When it comes to profit and credit, the coffers, the coffers blatantly admit their responsibility and claim their reward. When it is blunder or loss, suddenly no one is responsbile like Selamat's sage. NATO. Pretending to be responsible but in the end no one responsible.<br><br>Happily living forever with iron-rice bowl.<br><br>By the way, they use whatever light they choose, don't have to be green light. Ah Loong use Pinkish light to siam responsbility and accountability.</p>
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<p>No man is perfect I guess. Think LKY uses gut feel and logic more than data.</p>
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<p>You guys are too hard on LKY. There are other prominent figures who have predicted otherwise too, most notably Steve Forbes, who predicted in 2005 when oil prices are around US$70pbl that prices will fall to around US$35 within a year. He also said that if it hits US$100pbl, prices are going to crash even more spectacular. Well, everyone knows the story after.</p>
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<p>My friends. What is the oil price now? He was wrong at the limit but was spot on when it comes to trend because he understand macro and human nature. That man is wise. Even if you dont like him, you must respect him. His CPU is far superior to most of us.</p>
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I'm guessing the next upgrade to the MRT system is to lengthen the length per stations so that they can squeeze more cars per trip

I got an idea for urban developers and PAP ! Link all close quaters shopping malls with Conveyor belt .
 
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