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Former NS clerk reveals something about detention barracks detainees

UltimaOnline

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Generous Asset
https://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/...g-about-detention-barracks-detainees.6573528/

"Dear editor

I refer to the recent comment by PAP MP Josephine Teo who said NSmen's service for the nation cannot be measured in dollars and cents.

I was a clerk in a camp CCO when I was an NSF.

In my 2.5 years there, I witnessed not less than 20 soldiers who had to serve time in detention barracks for Absent without Official Leave (AWOL).

I had to prepare charge sheet, prepare statements, coordinate the Regimental Police so to prepare the AWOLee to face charge in the presence of a Senior Disciplinary Officer. After that was done, I had to tag along with the AWOLee to hand dockets and the relevant documents to Kranji where the detention barracks is located to complete the handover process.

I can confirm that the root cause of more than 70% of the AWOL cases was related to financial problems. These AWOLees came from complicated family and detested SAF because the allowances as a Private was pathetic They needed to work outside to boost their family income. Otherwise, how could the family survive on SAF allowance of barely $350 a month?

I talked to some of them. They book into camp but ended up having to constantly worry about bills at home. SOme had ill-parents and younger siblings to take care of. Financially strapped, they AWOLed to moonlight. From their point of view, family should come first, and not SAF who pays pittance under the excuse of national service.

Why didn't these soldiers seek financial assistance, you may ask. Those who served NS in the Army will know how much red-tape and the "world-class efficiency" in getting things done. One form had to be accompanied by documentary proof that your family is in hardship, and it also had to be passed through the chain-of-command. These soldiers who had problems tend to be storemen and drivers who have bad reputation in the army due to their background and tattoos. The S1 and chief clerks tend to view these soldiers as "gengsters" and "attitude problems". So it ends up that these soldiers who had financial problems don't see eye to eye with those doing administrative work which eventually delayed the financial assistance to the poor soldiers, making them more desperate to earn extra income for home.

PAP MP Josephine Teo said a solder's service cannot be measured via monetary terms because it is a service for the nation.
Let me quote you article 2 from People's Action Party party constitution: "The Party shall be a national movement dedicated to serving our nation and advancing the well-being of our people."

The PAP views themselves as servants to the nation. Just like how SAF views its conscripts as servants of the nation.
The only difference one pays themselves millions a month to serve Singapore, the other was paid $350 allowance a month.

If PAP MPs do not know the reality on the ground, they should just keep their mouth shut. PAP MPs and Ministers who are being paid millions to serve the nation are not in moral high ground to dictate how Singaporean sons should spend their time serving the nation.

Your Obedient Soldier."

https://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/...g-about-detention-barracks-detainees.6573528/
 

Scrooball (clone)

Alfrescian
Loyal
SAF NSF clerk? The most despised upon minion in the camp, just a rung below the sign-on lowly educated 'Sergeants'. In a normal world, those sign-on imbeciles will be pumping petrol at Esso and delivering your Grab orders.
 

bobby

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Loyal
See the source image


When I made the decision to join politics in 2006, pay was not a key factor. Loss of privacy, public scrutiny on myself and my family and loss of personal time were. The disruption to my career was also an important consideration. I had some ground to believe that my family would not suffer a drastic change in the standard of living even though I experienced a drop in my income. So it is with this recent pay cut. If the balance is tilted further in the future, it will make it harder for any one considering political office.
 

batman1

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See the source image


When I made the decision to join politics in 2006, pay was not a key factor. Loss of privacy, public scrutiny on myself and my family and loss of personal time were. The disruption to my career was also an important consideration. I had some ground to believe that my family would not suffer a drastic change in the standard of living even though I experienced a drop in my income. So it is with this recent pay cut. If the balance is tilted further in the future, it will make it harder for any one considering political office.
She 's given a job cos her old man James Fu is the ex-press secretary to LKY.
 

laksaboy

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
She 's given a job cos her old man James Fu is the ex-press secretary to LKY.

Her daddy must have sucked LKY's cock really good for her to get her gig now.

Usually, only those family-related or blood-related people get such a privilege, regardless of their competency or lack thereof.

Case in point: Wong Kan Seng.

leefamily2.jpg
 

bobby

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Loyal
Stupid fucking rule on NS being a "prilivege" given only to Singaporean males. How come AWARE not making a fuss over this sexual discrimination ?

In this age of so called sexual equality, NS should be extended to ALL Singaporeans reaching 18 years of age, regardless if male or female.
 

Datingafter35

Alfrescian
Loyal
Life is fair. If you are paid peanuts for a job that can be easily replaced. Don't blame others at the end of the month. Upgrade your skill, learn about presentations and people's management if you don't want to be specialise.
 

Datingafter35

Alfrescian
Loyal
Pap lover
No. I didn't vote for them. But this is the reality of the corporate world. Unless you work for yourself. Look at grab drivers and property agents and insurance agents. The more they work, the more they get paid. But in the corporate world. It's different. Being a hardworking employee only means you are not productive. If you want to get higher pay in the corporate world. Either your job skill is in demand or your job role brings in more money then they pay you.

Operation cost does not make sense in the corporate world. If someone else can do the same job at a much lower rate
They will. I can bet you that government gebiz award contracts to the lower bidder. No one in the right mind will pay more to do the same job. Prove me wrong in the public sector bidding system then tell me if I'm wrong.
 

Charlie99

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
https://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/...g-about-detention-barracks-detainees.6573528/

"Dear editor

I refer to the recent comment by PAP MP Josephine Teo who said NSmen's service for the nation cannot be measured in dollars and cents.

I was a clerk in a camp CCO when I was an NSF.

In my 2.5 years there, I witnessed not less than 20 soldiers who had to serve time in detention barracks for Absent without Official Leave (AWOL).

I had to prepare charge sheet, prepare statements, coordinate the Regimental Police so to prepare the AWOLee to face charge in the presence of a Senior Disciplinary Officer. After that was done, I had to tag along with the AWOLee to hand dockets and the relevant documents to Kranji where the detention barracks is located to complete the handover process.

I can confirm that the root cause of more than 70% of the AWOL cases was related to financial problems. These AWOLees came from complicated family and detested SAF because the allowances as a Private was pathetic They needed to work outside to boost their family income. Otherwise, how could the family survive on SAF allowance of barely $350 a month?

I talked to some of them. They book into camp but ended up having to constantly worry about bills at home. SOme had ill-parents and younger siblings to take care of. Financially strapped, they AWOLed to moonlight. From their point of view, family should come first, and not SAF who pays pittance under the excuse of national service.

Why didn't these soldiers seek financial assistance, you may ask. Those who served NS in the Army will know how much red-tape and the "world-class efficiency" in getting things done. One form had to be accompanied by documentary proof that your family is in hardship, and it also had to be passed through the chain-of-command. These soldiers who had problems tend to be storemen and drivers who have bad reputation in the army due to their background and tattoos. The S1 and chief clerks tend to view these soldiers as "gengsters" and "attitude problems". So it ends up that these soldiers who had financial problems don't see eye to eye with those doing administrative work which eventually delayed the financial assistance to the poor soldiers, making them more desperate to earn extra income for home.

PAP MP Josephine Teo said a solder's service cannot be measured via monetary terms because it is a service for the nation.
Let me quote you article 2 from People's Action Party party constitution: "The Party shall be a national movement dedicated to serving our nation and advancing the well-being of our people."

The PAP views themselves as servants to the nation. Just like how SAF views its conscripts as servants of the nation.
The only difference one pays themselves millions a month to serve Singapore, the other was paid $350 allowance a month.

If PAP MPs do not know the reality on the ground, they should just keep their mouth shut. PAP MPs and Ministers who are being paid millions to serve the nation are not in moral high ground to dictate how Singaporean sons should spend their time serving the nation.

Your Obedient Soldier."

https://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/...g-about-detention-barracks-detainees.6573528/
I have seen this.
Accordingly, I submit that the annual compensation for cabinet Ministers and all politicians should be reduced by 20 oer cent, forthwith, and the sum total of those reductions should be placed in a trust account to assist financially challenged NSF.
 

Datingafter35

Alfrescian
Loyal
IF u are a WH,u will be promoted and rewarded doubly or triply even if u are a cockup king.

I'm talking about corporate world. Not helicopter general or public sector or white privilege. Of course. If you can talk well and present well. Skills are secondary.
 
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