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Former Chinese official sees 'dark clouds'

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Former Chinese official sees 'dark clouds'
By Tom Evans, CNN
February 4, 2010 8:10 p.m. EST

(CNN) -- Declaring "I see a lot of dark clouds on the horizon," a former top official in the Chinese Foreign Ministry said the U.S.-China relationship is at a critical moment and any further deterioration will not be good for world peace.

Victor Gao, a director of the China National Association of International Studies, told CNN's Christiane Amanpour that China views the recent U.S. arms sale to Taiwan "as a major kind of a step to upset China's national interest."

Gao said U.S. President Barack Obama's decision to sell $6 billion dollars worth of weapons to Taiwan and to meet with the Dalai Lama in Washington this month are "miscalculations" based on a misreading of Chinese positions on what he called "these fundamental issues."

His comments came as U.S.-China relations are under increasing strain on a number of fronts, not just the issues of Taiwan and Tibet. There are also frictions over charges that China has hacked into Google, over trade relations, and over U.S. allegations that Beijing is manipulating the value of its currency to benefit Chinese companies.

But it's the Taiwan arms deal that appears to have upset China the most, even though Taipei has bought U.S. weapons before, and Washington is not selling it new F-16 fighter jets on this occasion.

Taiwan -- which Beijing regards as part of its sovereign territory -- is buying what the U.S. calls "defensive weapons," including Black Hawk helicopters and Patriot anti-aircraft missiles.

In response, Beijing has taken the unprecedented step of saying it will impose sanctions against the U.S. defense contractors that will make the weapons.

Gao hinted at the possibility of even broader economic retaliation.

"China is now the largest creditor nation to the United States. Just imagine if China buys less of the Treasury bonds or stops buying the Treasury bond for a couple of months -- what it will mean for the national interest of the United States, but also for China because China itself will be hurt if China takes such extraordinary measures."
Just imagine if China buys less of the Treasury bonds or stops buying the Treasury bond for a couple of months.
--Victor Gao, China National Association of International Studies

Gao also raised the possibility that Beijing will find it harder to cooperate with the U.S. on diplomatic issues such as Iran and North Korea. "On the one hand, the United States needs China's help; on the other hand, China is hurt because the United States displays a complete disregard for China's fundamental interests," he said.

Beijing is feeling empowered right now and believes it can dictate to the United States, said Victor Cha, a former U.S. National Security Council official responsible for Asian affairs.

"I think what we're seeing in terms of Chinese attitudes really is a sense that they feel they are in the driver's seat, vis-a-vis the United States, after what they consider a pretty successful year of dealing with the Obama administration," Cha told Amanpour.

David Rothkopf, a former U.S. trade official, agreed, saying Beijing is posturing.

"I see the whole thing really as an effort by the Chinese to test President Obama and see how far they can push him," Rothkopf said.

Cha dismissed the idea that China could use its holdings of some $800-billion of Treasury bonds to influence U.S. diplomacy. He called it a "mutual hostage game" in which the Chinese would cause themselves tremendous damage if they suddenly dumped a bunch of U.S. Treasuries to try to teach the U.S. a lesson.

He said one of the initial mistakes of the Obama administration was to give China the status of a global power before the Chinese were able to take on that role -- and that's caused disappointment in Washington and anger in Beijing.

Rothkopf said the tensions between the U.S. and China also have a lot to do with the fact the Obama administration began by swinging too far in one direction and then swinging too far back in the other.

"Year one of the Obama administration saw a stance towards China which was too soft," he added. "This year has opened with a tough stance on Google and a tough stance on these arms sales."

Rothkopf said hopefully there will now be real balance in the bilateral relationship. "I think it's time for a new kind of doctrine. We need to develop a kind of doctrine of interdependence," he said.

But he warned that China could hurt itself if it continues to flex its muscles. "It's really popular in the United States to go after the Chinese. In fact, it's too popular," Rothkopf said.

"It's a trap for President Obama. It's a trap for any president. You want to score points? Make China the bogeyman."
 
reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 12:44 AM by DEEZNUTZ


I think China is getting worried about the possibility of the US defaulting on the debt that they owe them. I know many will call me an idiot and many other words but you have to be realistic and know that the US dollar will probably get dealt a heavy blow towards the end of this year. Companies in the US and around the world are keeping their accountants chained to their desks "Cooking the Books" to make their numbers look less terrible than they really are. I'm sure the Chinese know this and are letting the children know that if they want their allowance then they should do as their told.

I think it's as simple as that. Some in the Chinese government are probably saying "we own their ass why should we just sit back and take this" or something like that. If you're smart convert a bit of your paycheck each month to EURO, YUAN, YEN. The US dollar will take a beating this year mark my words, there isn't any more money to do another TARP in the US and nobody is going to buy Treasuries from a near dead country. It would be more satisfying to just burn it than watch it wither away.

I think China made an error in aquiring so much US debt as since the Reagan years it's just gotten worse and worse. Seems Conservatives aren't very good at fiscal responsibility like they claim to be. China grabbed too much in a move I think they thought would give them leverage over the US but they didn't plan on how to get out and make some money if the US economy tanked. Now they can't pull the plug or it will further destroy their investement.

I personally don't think they care about the money. They can destroy the US for about $3 Trillion or less without firing a shot. I think in the long run that they view this as far cheaper than a war and they get to come out on top without all the death and destruction. Although the wildcard scenario in this is that out of desperation the US could become very unpredictable and could start a war with them regardless.

I think China is just muscleing(word?) into the world stage and playing hard ball. The difference is now they are in a position to back it up. Interesting times lie ahead.
 
Where are they going to export? It is not that simple for them to pull back....they will have huge social problems
 
Good article. Ex officials do not have to care about politics and can talk frankly.

1) Things are not black and white but grey. Even in a world with protectionism, China will still be major exporter. Over in the US there are no more garment factories, cheap plastic, toys, electronics plants. Also many of the very factories in China are owned by US MNC. So unless US citizens are willing to pay 5 times what they are paying now (read INFLATION) there cannot be total ban on exports. Avg worker gets paid $US20/hr after benefits. Same thing for other 1st world nations. Even for 3rd world nations, Chinese mfg goods are cheaper than what they themselves can make it for (vol of scale etc etc).

All this talk about dumping US Treasuries is plain stupid. It will devastate both sides. Instead what we will see is gradual changes. Yuan will appreciate - reducing less need for beijing to keep buying Treasuries. So beijing will buy less. They will try and diversify this huge reserves (resources, etc) - and maybe spend $ on their economy. After all China is size of US and to bring its infra up to 1st world standard it will need Trillions.

So it will be gradual. If the Us continues on its current path of deficits (fighting these $200B a year war - don't forget to factor in healthcare cost for their veterans) the country will start losing power.

Put it this way, if Chinese spend the $200B on infra and US throws $200B into stupid war, in 10 years, China will have a new road and rail system rivalling the best that the world has while the US has an additonal $1T debt (actually more than $1T because $ is borrowed) and an even more neglected infra. With the good infra Chinese productivity will skyrocket.

So the balance will tilt ever so slightly.

Furthermore Chinese are major player on political stage so.
 
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