Father of French man Samel Paty’s Killer Praises His Son, Says with the Beheading, ‘The Debt of All Muslims Will be Settled’

[duluxe]

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Abdulakh Anzorov is the Muslim fanatic who decapitated the middle-school teacher Samuel Paty for showing his class, as part of a discussion on freedom of expression, one of the Charlie Hebdo caricatures of Muhammad. Before showing the caricature, Paty gave Muslim students who might be offended permission to leave the classroom. One Muslim girl reported to her father about how disturbed she had been about the event; it turned out that she had not even been in school that day. Her father, Brahim Chnina, accused Paty of disseminating pornography to the students and filed a criminal complaint. He also took to social media to complain, naming Paty and providing the school’s address. He encouraged other parents to join him in mobilizing against the teacher, whom he described as a “thug” (voyou). The Grande Mosque of Pantin put online a video denouncing Paty; the imam of the mosque, known to the anti-terrorism police for his fiery sermons, demanded on the video that Paty be fired.

Brahim Chnina also filed a complaint with the school, and encouraged people to protest right outside the school.

A meeting was held between the head teacher, Samuel Paty, and an official from the education authority. Chnina additionally filed a legal complaint about Paty’s lesson, leading the teacher to go to the local police station accompanied by the principal. Paty told investigators he could not understand the complaint because Chnina’s daughter was not in class on the day Paty showed the cartoon. In March 2021, Chnina’s daughter, known as “Z,” admitted she had been suspended from school due to truancy since the day prior to Paty showing the cartoons, and, as such, she had not been in the classroom that day. According to the Paty family lawyers, Brahim Chnina was aware that his daughter had been expelled before the cartoon incident.

Abdoulakh Anzorov, 18 years old, saw online the video put up by the imam of the Grande Mosque of Pantin, and resolved to avenge the honor of the Prophet by murdering Paty. He went to the school armed with a cleaver, had Paty pointed out to him by some students, waylaid the teacher as he walked home, and decapitated Paty for daring to show a caricature of Muhammad.

Now, a year after the killing of Samuel Paty, a video has again surfaced, in which Anzorov’s father is interviewed. He praises his son for the murder, saying that with the beheading, “the debt of all Muslims will be settled.” The interview, first broadcast before the summer, was hardly noticed by the media at the time, but a few days after the nationwide tribute to Samuel Paty that was held exactly a year after his murder, it is worth looking at it, for it contains new information about the murderer Anzorov — in particular, about his support from his proud father, who no longer lives in France.

 

[syed putra]

The teacher could have used other material, preferably those that mock the majority race, as a example instead of charlie hebdo's comic knowing the violence that preceded it. The children's safety should be foremost in his mind.
Sex pistols for example mocked the queen and called her a moron. The song, God save the queen was written during a depression when many are unemployed, but the monarchy lives in luxury and was not taxed for their income.
Another song was about working in Germany as its the only place where work was available then.

 

[nightsafari]

The teacher could have used other material, preferably those that mock the majority race, as a example instead of charlie hebdo's comic knowing the violence that preceded it. The children's safety should be foremost in his mind.
Sex pistols for example mocked the queen and called her a moron. The song, God save the queen was written during a depression when many are unemployed, but the monarchy lives in luxury and was not taxed for their income.
Another song was about working in Germany as its the only place where work was available then.

Why should any public institution be given special treatment? Everyone should be free to be criticized.

Unless they fear criticism will expose something they don't wish exposed...

If the criticism is untrue, it will be ignored and the criticizers will be mocked. If it's true then the subject being criticized will be mocked. Why should any public figure or group fear this if what they are doing is above board?

 

[syed putra]

Why should any public institution be given special treatment? Everyone should be free to be criticized.

Unless they fear criticism will expose something they don't wish exposed...

If the criticism is untrue, it will be ignored and the criticizers will be mocked. If it's true then the subject being criticized will be mocked. Why should any public figure or group fear this if what they are doing is above board?

The corporation has this policy which i follow in order to evade controvery.
HSSE. Health, safety, sevurity, environment,
Anything the corporation's do that may jeopardise any of these, they will not do.
Wrt Charlie hebdo mohamad cartoons, it insults and humiliate one community.
Notice that in WASP countries, they refrain from doing this for good reason. Slthough hebd9 cartoon was republished in Denmark and netherlands 9n basis 9f free speech , it was not used in any major Anglo saxon speaking countries.
Wrt the class, it puts the children at risk. The teacher has not put safety as a priority. He should know better.

 

[nightsafari]

The corporation has this policy which i follow in order to evade controvery.
HSSE. Health, safety, sevurity, environment,
Anything the corporation's do that may jeopardise any of these, they will not do.
Wrt Charlie hebdo mohamad cartoons, it insults and humiliate one community.
Notice that in WASP countries, they refrain from doing this for good reason. Slthough hebd9 cartoon was republished in Denmark and netherlands 9n basis 9f free speech , it was not used in any major Anglo saxon speaking countries.
Wrt the class, it puts the children at risk. The teacher has not put safety as a priority. He should know better.

mmm.... I follow your reasoning, but from their point of view, that would be favouring and make special provisions for a certain group. These people make fun of everyone, themselves included. Why should an insult result in violence and death? Just ignore them enough.

The last time insults ended up in violence and death for Europe was hundreds of years ago. We've moved on. Of course, if you would rather give up freedom of speech and prefer silence, that's your choice right? Why go to countries that have progressed beyond that if you don't like it? Doesn't make sense. Why not stay where the intrinsic culture is already the same?

By this point, you are proving that multiculturalism doesn't work. No?

 

[Loofydralb]

mmm.... I follow your reasoning, but from their point of view, that would be favouring and make special provisions for a certain group. These people make fun of everyone, themselves included. Why should an insult result in violence and death? Just ignore them enough.

The last time insults ended up in violence and death for Europe was hundreds of years ago. We've moved on. Of course, if you would rather give up freedom of speech and prefer silence, that's your choice right? Why go to countries that have progressed beyond that if you don't like it? Doesn't make sense. Why not stay where the intrinsic culture is already the same?

By this point, you are proving that multiculturalism doesn't work. No?

Politics has no place in children's schools. As a teacher it is alarming that he does not realise the implications of what he did and paid deservedly with his life.

 

[syed putra]

mmm.... I follow your reasoning, but from their point of view, that would be favouring and make special provisions for a certain group. These people make fun of everyone, themselves included. Why should an insult result in violence and death? Just ignore them enough.

The last time insults ended up in violence and death for Europe was hundreds of years ago. We've moved on. Of course, if you would rather give up freedom of speech and prefer silence, that's your choice right? Why go to countries that have progressed beyond that if you don't like it? Doesn't make sense. Why not stay where the intrinsic culture is already the same?

By this point, you are proving that multiculturalism doesn't work. No?

Freedom of speech and hate/insult/shaming are very different things.
China got riled when sweden made the sign for chinese not to shit in public.for Sweden its freedom of speech. But to me, its a insult.

 

[nightsafari]

Politics has no place in children's schools. As a teacher it is alarming that he does not realise the implications of what he did and paid deservedly with his life.

on the contrary. that's what social studies is. something sinkies are particularly deficient in. So you propose a citizenry composed of calculus masters who will vote for whoever their friends tell them to vote for? Or whoever who's father held the post previously? Or who will follow like a puppy all professional rules?

You already living in it and it amuses me to see you argue with people in here who are like that. People who can pass all the exams and don't know how to conduct themselves. Ring any bells? Now just replace so-called knowledge from an "expert" in one field with knowledge experts in religion or politics and you will see the problem.

So, no. These things should and must be taught at an early age.

 

[nightsafari]

Freedom of speech and hate/insult/shaming are very different things.
China got riled when sweden made the sign for chinese not to shit in public.for Sweden its freedom of speech. But to me, its a insult.
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actually the line between both is easily crossed. While I take great care to not cross it, I sometimes do. That is an embedded risk of freedom of speech. It is a necessary and incidental cost to speaking freely. Now there's something else called hate speech. That is malicious in intent.

The sign you posted does not offend me. They are expressing what they see in a pictograph. I could easily see how they could think that was the most efficient way of communicating a message. If someone else came up to me on that very street and started telling me off while I was just walking in it, then I would have a problem with that.

Really, I think Asians have a deep seated inferiority complex. Whether Indian or Chinese or whatever. If you feel inferior, it's very easy to be insulted. A person expressing an absolute distaste for rice or being totally against rice can be offensive -- if and only if you feel inferior with yourself. I've sometimes been asked less than sensitive questions about why chopstick use and all that. I give my reply. That has usually settled the matter to my satisfaction. If not, usually a little further explanation does the trick. Once in a while though, you meet a person out to really get you. But I've seen many people from many races do that. Not one is innocent.

So unless and until it is done with malicious intent, I have no issues. It is very easy to distinguish the difference. One is obvious in intent.

 

[Loofydralb]

on the contrary. that's what social studies is. something sinkies are particularly deficient in. So you propose a citizenry composed of calculus masters who will vote for whoever their friends tell them to vote for? Or whoever who's father held the post previously? Or who will follow like a puppy all professional rules?

You already living in it and it amuses me to see you argue with people in here who are like that. People who can pass all the exams and don't know how to conduct themselves. Ring any bells? Now just replace so-called knowledge from an "expert" in one field with knowledge experts in religion or politics and you will see the problem.

So, no. These things should and must be taught at an early age.

Just as underaged sex is statutory rape, underaged politics is an assault on young minds.

 

[nightsafari]

Just as underaged sex is statutory rape, underaged politics is an assault on young minds.

If you want to goal is to have people who can't think for themselves, be my guest.

 

[Loofydralb]

If you want to goal is to have people who can't think for themselves, be my guest.

The formative years, the intellect is still not developed for some to weigh the politics. So anything younger than 15 should only be taught the 3Rs.
Politics should only start in university where the mind has matured sufficiently to pit all the pros against the cons.

 

[nightsafari]

The formative years, the intellect is still not developed for some to weigh the politics. So anything younger than 15 should only be taught the 3Rs.
Politics should only start in university where the mind has matured sufficiently to pit all the pros against the cons.

By all means don't let me to stop you.

 

[whoami]

mmm.... I follow your reasoning, but from their point of view, that would be favouring and make special provisions for a certain group. These people make fun of everyone, themselves included. Why should an insult result in violence and death? Just ignore them enough.

1. OK. Fair enough. No special provisions for everyone. Including politicians? Agree?

2. As for the caricature. U called that fun? Wat if everyone started drawing nude picture of ur mother, sister, daughters, with full names, addresses and display in public, in social media. Are u ok with it?

3. Agree. We should be calm. Infact such behaviour cannot be condone. Yes. Both parties.

 

[nightsafari]

1. OK. Fair enough. No special provisions for everyone. Including politicians? Agree?

2. As for the caricature. U called that fun? Wat if everyone started drawing nude picture of ur mother, sister, daughters, with full names, addresses and display in public, in social media. Are u ok with it?

3. Agree. We should be calm. Infact such behaviour cannot be condone. Yes. Both parties.

1. agreed. Especially politicians. No one gets special treatment.
2. It's not the same thing. A public figure and a private life is totally different. Take for example a prime minister. Ask you to go to war. Go and die for him. Yes he's subject to scrutiny and ridicule. Why should he not be? Your own private household is just that. If I choose to become a public figure and to demand things from my followers, I make the choice to have myself scrutinized by people for who I am. People demanding power from others must be scrutinized. Always. People going about their own lives should be left alone.
3. Fight for what? Even draw naked pictures of my sister, he can claim whatever he wants. I don't care 2 hoots. My ego is not so sensitive and fragile. If my sister go and pose for him, I will ask her what's wrong with her otak. If she still wants to do so and he still wants to draw it's her pasal. Who am I to control her? If she has children and it's affecting their lives negatively, then I will take more action.

 

[whoami]

1. agreed. Especially politicians. No one gets special treatment.
2. It's not the same thing. A public figure and a private life is totally different. Take for example a prime minister. Ask you to go to war. Go and die for him. Yes he's subject to scrutiny and ridicule. Why should he not be? Your own private household is just that. If I choose to become a public figure and to demand things from my followers, I make the choice to have myself scrutinized by people for who I am. People demanding power from others must be scrutinized. Always. People going about their own lives should be left alone.
3. Fight for what? Even draw naked pictures of my sister, he can claim whatever he wants. I don't care 2 hoots. My ego is not so sensitive and fragile. If my sister go and pose for him, I will ask her what's wrong with her otak. If she still wants to do so and he still wants to draw it's her pasal. Who am I to control her? If she has children and it's affecting their lives negatively, then I will take more action.

1 President Emmanuel Macron, who defended Charlie Hebdo's caricatures insulting Islam's Prophet Muhammad as freedom of expression, sues billboard owner Michel-Ange Flori, who depicted Macron as Adolf Hitler to protest Covid-19 curbs. Double standard?

2. We are talking abt insults, humiliating individuals. So lets stick to these. I am saying do u think is ok if i or members of the public drew nude pictures of your mum ( sorry not being rude), ur daughters, sisters, wife. Then display in public or in social media. Do u just keep silent and agree its ok. Cos its freedom of expression.

3. Plse read my post again. I am not talking abt agreeing to pose. Hope u not trying to evade the real issue. Let me repeat again. If members of the public drew nude pictures of your mum, sisters, wife, daughters WITHOUT THEIR OWN FREE WILL, do u accept such actions? Just simple Yes or No.

 

[nightsafari]

1 President Emmanuel Macron, who defended Charlie Hebdo's caricatures insulting Islam's Prophet Muhammad as freedom of expression, sues billboard owner Michel-Ange Flori, who depicted Macron as Adolf Hitler to protest Covid-19 curbs. Double standard?

Dont know exact case. Suing is acceptable violence is not. If Muslims want to sue Charlie Hebdo why not? Double standard? Sure. One takes another to court, the other goes on a killing spree.

2. We are talking abt insults, humiliating individuals. So lets stick to these. I am saying do u think is ok if i or members of the public drew nude pictures of your mum ( sorry not being rude), ur daughters, sisters, wife. Then display in public or in social media. Do u just keep silent and agree its ok. Cos its freedom of expression.

I already said it's ok. They can say whatever they want. If they draw in private and show only their friends and family what's the big deal? If they publish it in newspaper or social media, it's different. It becomes a public denouncement and a matter of public defamation. I can then sue them for damages. It also becomes a criminal matter where the state will prosecute them depending on the laws of the land. Not vigilante violence. Why run around shooting, slashing and bombing? Europe did this a few hundred years ago as normal life. It's not normal life now. It's criminal life.

Let the punishment fit the crime. Unjustified defamation deserves defamation not death. Freedom of expression believe it or not is misunderstood by almost everyone who uses it. Almost everyone cannot distinguish between rights, freedoms and privileges. Freedom of expression is a privilege granted in a free society. Meaning government allows it and people should not stab each other in disagreements. Where violence and crimes against a person is a way of life, freedom of expression cannot coexist.

In fact you have precisely pointed out why Islam (not in Singapore) is such a problem in other societies. The fact that violence and vigilantism is a normal and acceptable response in other Islamic societies is entirely the problem. Where you can sue the person into stopping why should you kill him?

3. Plse read my post again. I am not talking abt agreeing to pose. Hope u not trying to evade the real issue. Let me repeat again. If members of the public drew nude pictures of your mum, sisters, wife, daughters WITHOUT THEIR OWN FREE WILL, do u accept such actions? Just simple Yes or No.

It's not evading. What is there to evade??? It's explaining with more detail for your benefit so you can understand the point I'm making better. And I've already answered in the previous post and I've answered it again above. Answers same both times. Would you like me to highlight it to make sure you don't miss it?

 

[nightsafari]

@whoami

reproduced and highlighted for clarification:

3. Fight for what? Even draw naked pictures of my sister, he can claim whatever he wants. I don't care 2 hoots. My ego is not so sensitive and fragile. If my sister go and pose for him, I will ask her what's wrong with her otak. If she still wants to do so and he still wants to draw it's her pasal. Who am I to control her? If she has children and it's affecting their lives negatively, then I will take more action.



edit : If I am not clear, ask me to clarify. I have no interest in making a statement and running away from it. If I am not clear or you do not understand, please don't draw the conclusion that I am evading. I will happily repeat the point if you are willing to stick to the same subject.

as always peace be upon you.

 

[JohnTan]

Dont know exact case. Suing is acceptable violence is not. If Muslims want to sue Charlie Hebdo why not? Double standard? Sure. One takes another to court, the other goes on a killing spree.

You're debating with moslems who believe that it is okay to kill people who criticise their religion in any way. They take reference from their scriptures, where there is record of their prophet mahomet ordering assassinations against civilians who criticised him.

3. Fight for what? Even draw naked pictures of my sister, he can claim whatever he wants.

This argument is not new. To the moslems, their mothers, sisters and daughters are viewed as men's property through islamic lens. moslem men tell their women what to do, how to behave, when the speak. They talk that way towards their own mothers, wives and sisters, daughters.

The debate is about whether it is right to kill people who insult your religion, not about whether it is right to draw naked cartoons of your female family members. By debating on an analogy and extrapolating its outcome to determine who is right about the original agreement, the moslems are using what is better known as the 'Chewbacca Defense'.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

 

[JohnTan]

Just as underaged sex is statutory rape, underaged politics is an assault on young minds.

Good. That's an admission that your fake prophet is a rapist. Statutory rape is still rape.

The formative years, the intellect is still not developed for some to weigh the politics.

I agree. moslem kids shouldn't be attending religious schools that praises an islamic political system that operates on religion.