Fake news panel vs civil society: Not a very merry-go-round

[EunoiaJAYCEE]

When you go before a Select Committee hearing, remember that it is for the committee to ask questions of you, which members can frame in any way they want. You will have to answer, unless you say you refuse to answer. And you will have to answer the question as framed, and not segue into nuances and clarifications.

It was probably with this in mind that the civil society activists went before the Parliamentary Select Committee on deliberate online falsehoods. They paused before answering most of the questions, probably wary of being led down a line of questioning that would solicit answers they were not prepared to give.

Reading the written submissions, the four people had a common thread which they were determined should surface at the hearing.

At the risk of over-simplifying the positions of Messrs Terry Xu of The Online Citizen, Ngiam Shih Tung of Maruah and Phd student Howard Lee and freelance journalist Kirsten Han, I would say the following were their common grounds.

1. Legislation, if considered, should be last resort because there are already plenty of laws which can deal with harmful speech.
2. There are many types of fake news – ranging from those that are shared by concerned citizens without malice, to those that incite violence.
3. The G should “deal with’’ deliberate online fake news by engaging the perpetrators or putting up its own take on the matter so that readers can make an informed judgment .
4. Most times, netizens themselves point out the falsity of statements, negating the need for the G to intervene in a sphere which cherishes freedom of expression.
5. Unless the term “deliberate online falsehoods’’ (DOFs) was clearly defined, legal means would mean crimping freedom of expression in Singapore and could be abused by the government of the day.

They look plain enough, except that the committee has a lot of resources to call on, such as evidence given by earlier witnesses who said that the current laws lack “speed, scope and adaptability’’, how deliberate disinformation campaigns can undermine national security and how the tech and social media companies themselves were dragging their feet over banning fake material despite demands to do so.

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[tanwahtiu]

Opium trading by BE was no false flag there were truth nothing but the truth... 60 million Chinese died and Mao case only 6 million.

AMDK killed more Chinese than Mao did.

 

[mojito]

It was a very fruitful and robust exchange. Citizens were consulted and ultimately we decided it was to the benefit of Singaporeans. Singaporeans making millions in particular.

 

[Leongsam]

Opium trading by BE was no false flag there were truth nothing but the truth... 60 million Chinese died and Mao case only 6 million.

AMDK killed more Chinese than Mao did.

Mao is responsible for more than 65 million deaths of his own citizens yet they hang his portrait in Tiananmen square and worship his corpse.

The Chinese really are the most stupid people on the face of this earth.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Where u get the figure from?
Only 6 million, twit.

Mao is responsible for more than 65 million deaths of his own citizens yet they hang his portrait in Tiananmen square and worship his corpse.

The Chinese really are the most stupid people on the face of this earth.

 

[eatshitndie]

Where u get the figure from?
Only 6 million, twit.

even the commie government by its own admission claims 15 millions lives lost for the great chinese famine alone not including all deaths as a result of the great leap forward, which in total could have caused over 45 million deaths (scmp). here are the estimates from various sources, including tiong sources too. not included in these numbers are deaths as a result of the cultural revolution.

Great Leap Forward famine death estimates
Deaths(millions) Author(s) Year
23 Peng[48] 1987
27 Coale[40] 1984
30 Ashton, et al.[37] 1984
30 Banister[49] 1987
30 Becker[50] 1996
32.5 Cao[51] 2005
36 Yang[52] 2008
38 Chang and Halliday[53] 2005
38 Rummel[54] 2008
45 minimum Dikötter[36][55] 2010
43 to 46 Chen[56] 1980
55 Yu Xiguang[4][57] 2005

logically and historically, doubling the commie gov's estimate of 15m for the great chinese famine alone will give us a more accurate estimate of the casualty count (30m). they have been known to provide estimates that are 50% of total count if news is negative for their image. add 15m more for the entire great leap forward fiasco. and add another 24m directly and indirectly as a result of the cultural revolution, after accumulated tallies of the great leap forward and great chinese famine. total of 69m deaths attributed to mao's policies is not far-fetched.

 

[Leongsam]

Where u get the figure from?
Only 6 million, twit.

Read this book. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0...eASIN=0679746323&linkCode=as2&tag=libert0f-20

 

[tanwahtiu]

So BE killed 60 million Chinese, plus unaccountable indians who smoked opium too, is more than the false figures mentioned.

Can estimate mire than 100 millions Chinese died smoked opium plus unacountable millions of overseas Chinese whom were targeted by BE master in their colonies.

You so clever go research how many local Chinese died smoked opium in Singapore under BE period from 1819 to 1965?

even the commie government by its own admission claims 15 millions lives lost for the great chinese famine alone not including all deaths as a result of the great leap forward, which in total could have caused over 45 million deaths (scmp). here are the estimates from various sources, including tiong sources too. not included in these numbers are deaths as a result of the cultural revolution.

Great Leap Forward famine death estimates
Deaths(millions) Author(s) Year
23 Peng[48] 1987
27 Coale[40] 1984
30 Ashton, et al.[37] 1984
30 Banister[49] 1987
30 Becker[50] 1996
32.5 Cao[51] 2005
36 Yang[52] 2008
38 Chang and Halliday[53] 2005
38 Rummel[54] 2008
45 minimum Dikötter[36][55] 2010
43 to 46 Chen[56] 1980
55 Yu Xiguang[4][57] 2005

logically and historically, doubling the commie gov's estimate of 15m for the great chinese famine alone will give us a more accurate estimate of the casualty count (30m). they have been known to provide estimates that are 50% of total count if news is negative for their image. add 15m more for the entire great leap forward fiasco. and add another 24m directly and indirectly as a result of the cultural revolution, after accumulated tallies of the great leap forward and great chinese famine. total of 69m deaths attributed to mao's policies is not far-fetched.

 

[sweetiepie]

my uncle say KNN fake news is happening everyday in the kangaroo court not counted ?

 

[sweetiepie]

my uncle say KNN fake news is happening everyday in the kangaroo court not counted ?

he say is it court can use the play marble rule chop no pee lis no anything ?

 

[bobby]

Fake news is news that do not go the way of the gahmen.....