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Expats obsessed with using Singlish!

scroobal

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I first noticed this trend in the mid 90s and now its like a runaway train. Note the article below and highlighted bold portion.

It seems there is a desire for expats and foreigners residing here to identify with the locals but have little knowledge when or how to use it.

My first encounter was with an Irish GM who will use "la" repeatedly when he talks to Singaporeans even during formal meeting even when those Singaporeans don't speak singlish.

Now you see them using it at supermarket checkouts, waiters etc. You more or less can sense that it is contrived. It should also be noted that they are not attempting to ridicule the locals but I think its seems to be sort of insecurity or the need to fell integrated.

I have however come across isolated cases where the intention was to ridicule but it tends to fall flat especially when it done to a PRC shop assistant.




April 26, 2009
THE EX-PAT FILES

Primary school daze

By Jervina Lao

Which school should I send my child to?
As my son nears the age for entering primary school, I find myself facing this question with increasing trepidation.
I've done my homework. I've trawled through the websites, investigated the schools and grilled parents with children in my targeted schools.
I've even resorted to stopping kids wearing the uniforms of the schools I'm looking into and interviewing them, all in an effort to come to a decision.
It's not easy. I've begun to realise that deciding on a school can be a nerve-racking exercise for many parents, Singaporean as well as expatriate.
My husband is from Greece and I am from the Philippines. I came here in 2001 to work at The Straits Times.
My husband joined me in 2003 and has since become an asset manager with a hotel company. We have two boys - one is five and the other, three.
One option for our children is an international school. In fact, to some expat families, the question is not whether to send Junior to an international school, but to which one.
Until recently, securing a place at a top-tier international school was like queueing up for a spot on American Idol, the high fees notwithstanding.
Until last year, the wait list for some international schools literally meant waiting for many years.
But with the current financial party pooper, many expats with hefty packages - that may have included generous schooling allowances - have been repatriated. Many of those who remain have stayed on with modest packages and are footing the school bill themselves.
Which leads me to the other option: Government-subsidised local schools.
For parents on modest budgets like me, it seems like a no-brainer. Do I mortgage my house and the rest of my working life to fork out the hefty sums for an international school - around $15,000 to $25,000 a year - or do I keep the money in my pocket and save for a nice retirement in Phuket by choosing a local school which costs next to nothing?
While going for a local school appears to be the easy choice, it very often is not for expats.
Foreign children who are not permanent residents fall at the bottom of the balloting barrel. This means they can get a place only after all the Singaporean and permanent resident children have secured places in schools.
Scratch out elite and branded schools. And cross out popular government schools. Be prepared for Junior to enter a school that is the last on any Singaporean parent's list.
'Nightmare, lah,' one of my Singaporean friends told me when I asked what was wrong if the child falls under Phase 3 of the balloting exercise.
There are also expat parents who won't even consider local schools as an option.
Singapore's education system, known for being achievement-oriented, is not everyone's cup of tea. The reputation of local schools as demanding, rigid and stressful has some expat parents regarding them as reminiscent of Dickensian sweatshops.
A few years ago, one of our good friends who had lived in Singapore for close to 10 years decided to quit his well-paying job, give up his and his family's permanent residency status and return to his native Australia.
His reason? Watching his then eight-year-old daughter spend her childhood toiling over worksheets and stressing over exams was giving him heartburn.
At one dinner I attended, I found myself embroiled in a heated discussion with another expat over the issue of international versus local schools.
All the verbal jujitsu I could muster couldn't convince her that I wasn't a nutter for contemplating sending my son to a local school.
Her reason? She cited her own niece who attends a local primary school - and who carries a bag almost as tall as herself and filled with her weight in books.
One expat father I know placed both his sons in an international school because the thought of them picking up Singlish with 'lor, lah, hor and meh' peppering their sentences made him and his wife cringe.
But for every parent who prefers international over local schools, there is another like the father I spoke with who is looking to pull his son out of an international school and place him in a local school because 'the lessons are much too easy for him. He's not being challenged enough'.
As for myself, having lived in Singapore for eight years, I've decided to go native.
I'm following that most hallowed of traditions practised by the most kiasu of Singaporean mums: I'm scheming one year ahead to get my child into the local school of my choice.
And which school have I decided on?
That's another tale.
The writer is an executive sub-editor with The Straits Times. She is a Filipino national and has lived here for the past eight years.
 

yinyang

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..You more or less can sense that it is contrived. It should also be noted that they are not attempting to ridicule the locals but I think its seems to be sort of insecurity or the need to fell integrated.
I have however come across isolated cases where the intention was to ridicule but it tends to fall flat especially when it done to a PRC shop assistant.
Contrived maybe, but not sure if it's insecurity. Think it's only par for the course when expats are down here for 2-3 years (or more) and during their tour of duty to try mingle with local speak. No diff even in places like OZ (good day mate) etc.
 

scroobal

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Contrived maybe, but not sure if it's insecurity. Think it's only par for the course when expats are down here for 2-3 years (or more) and during their tour of duty to try mingle with local speak. No diff even in places like OZ (good day mate) etc.

Yeah, insecurity might not be the right factor. I think the "good mate" greeting is the actual language and usage. I am referring to the use of "lah" and other singlish stuff at the wrong time and in an inappropriate context.
 

tonychat

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On my god.. the sinkie curse is spreading to the foreigners. This is bad.

Now, they just try to speak like them. I hope they don't behave and act like them. Or else, that is the end of the world.
 

Aussie Pete

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The wise Scroobal speaks again... this happens in every country - how often does this person travel?

If a Singaporean inappropraitely uses 'Auslish' down under, he or she is usually admired for the attempt and told how the colloquialisms should be used. Good for them.

Insecurity? Very strange assumption... I fail to see any negative sides to this discussion - but I'm sure (as usual) Scroobal will have a 'friend' or knows 'of somebody' he can quote 3rd-hand to support the 'insecurity' assumption.Hearsay is a wonderful thing.

Cheers all!! Feel free to bash the ang moh's comment :biggrin:
 

scroobal

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Take it easy bro. The lady that wrote that is a Filipina. An example that I cited is an Irish GM and I wrote about Expats and Foreign residents not specifically Ang Mos. I see that even among the expat Hong Kongers and the Indians. There are alot of expats that not ang mos.

You got to stop jumping to conclusions like the way you thought that Koalas were on the endangered list.


Cheers all!! Feel free to bash the ang moh's comment :biggrin:
 

pia

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I just take it positively that they wish to bond. Nothing wrong with that. Just like I'd speak to an Aussie "Good dye maite" etc. :smile:

Even among locals, I'll go into Hokkien with a client/partner/supplier if it makes conversation lighter, even when both of us can speak English perfectly.
 

yinyang

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Even among locals, I'll go into Hokkien with a client/partner/supplier if it makes conversation lighter, even when both of us can speak English perfectly.
And add a smattering of swear words (only if mutually not exclusive). Only adds colour to lingo:o:p:wink:

Caveat: Not to be seen as endorsement for singlish (in case detractors come in)
 

yansen84

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can someone enlighten me on why in the papers english and singlish are always separated with a comma? for instance in the article above, "Nightmare, lah". there is no pause as indicated by the comma when we speak like that, is there?
 

pia

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And add a smattering of swear words (only if mutually not exclusive). Only adds colour to lingo:o:p:wink:

Caveat: Not to be seen as endorsement for singlish (in case detractors come in)

"Nabei" is my fav.. although a swear word, when used with a laugh, really isn't offensive at all :biggrin:
 

makapaaa

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My goodness! How can my FT pets do this?! *Ah*
 

angry_one

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I actually think it's amusing and charming. It's nice to see the foreigners trying to 'do as the romans do' for once. Singlish is one of the cleverest inventions of sinkapore - as long as sinkees know how to use standard english in business settings.

It's better than the foreign thrash who refuse to integrate and learn local customs.
 

scroobal

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can someone enlighten me on why in the papers english and singlish are always separated with a comma? for instance in the article above, "Nightmare, lah". there is no pause as indicated by the comma when we speak like that, is there?

You got the point. Applied wrongly by the author.
 

yansen84

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I actually think it's amusing and charming. It's nice to see the foreigners trying to 'do as the romans do' for once. Singlish is one of the cleverest inventions of sinkapore - as long as sinkees know how to use standard english in business settings.

that's the whole point of contention - sinkies can't!
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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The wise Scroobal speaks again... this happens in every country - how often does this person travel?

If a Singaporean inappropraitely uses 'Auslish' down under, he or she is usually admired for the attempt and told how the colloquialisms should be used. Good for them.

Insecurity? Very strange assumption... I fail to see any negative sides to this discussion - but I'm sure (as usual) Scroobal will have a 'friend' or knows 'of somebody' he can quote 3rd-hand to support the 'insecurity' assumption.Hearsay is a wonderful thing.

Cheers all!! Feel free to bash the ang moh's comment :biggrin:



hey i agree with you. Screwball is a pompous prick and an irritatant. Of course self righteous goes well with it too.
 

lancheowman

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Scroobal thinks you are all beneath him in intellect except for his kakis. Funny the prick dare not show his arse in 3in1kopitiam!:rolleyes:

3in1kopitiam are for losers la.ppl like your standard. all please do not go there and let that loser forum rot into dust
 

lancheowman

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3in1kopitiam are for losers la.

ppl with no standard who only post youtube clips and have nothing worthy to say go thers.
all please do not go there and let that loser forum rot into dust
 
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