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Eight Reasons to End the Lockdowns As Soon as Possible

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Eight Reasons to End the Lockdowns As Soon as Possible
Jonathan Geach, M.D.
Jonathan Geach, M.D.


Apr 12 · 5 min read


This post does not deny the effectiveness of social distancing or quarantine for COVID-19. I am not encouraging people to suspend these practices before official determinations have been made public. This post is to help physicians, thought leaders and public officials understand and weigh the risks and benefits of extended lockdowns versus more measured and earlier return to work measures.
We have already flattened the curve

Social distancing works. We have gone from predictions of millions of deaths, to hundreds of thousands and now we are predicting about 60 thousand deaths. This is with the likely over reporting of death. Dr. Birx admitted the attribution of death to COVID-19 has been liberal. If the death count were limited to deaths directly caused by COVID-19, it would likely be even lower than this.
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The most effective time for social distancing is early in a pandemic. Lockdowns also slow the development of herd immunity, which helps a society move past the virus.
We can still practice good hand hygiene, wear masks in public, and continue social distancing for the elderly and high risk, while we develop protective herd immunity for those most at risk. By the time the lockdowns began, COVID-19 had already been seeded in the US for months, limiting the effectiveness of the lockdowns in the first place as the virus was already widespread.
Economic collapse and unemployment are destroying families
Each day the shutdown continues, we are losing approximately one million jobs, as evidenced by 16.5 million initial weekly jobless claims in three weeks (since March 26). Many of these lost jobs will never return. If the lockdowns continue through April (essentially, a best-case scenario), we’ll be lucky if job losses are limited to 25 million. Many people see 6.6 million people as just a number , as Len Kieffer put it, it is the size of the state of Missouri. Twenty five million is almost the size of the state of Texas!
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The 16.5 million jobs lost thus far are only counting people who have filed jobless claims that were processed through April 8, 2020; it’s likely that the real number is quite a bit higher than this. In addition, there are millions of people not-technically-unemployed who have seen their incomes plummet. One example would be so-called gig workers, such as Uber and Lyft drivers. It’s almost certain that realtors are suffering the same fate.
We have not saturated the health care system
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In New York We came close. Although, the ER and ICU capacity has increased in many locations, overall healthcare system capacity has decreased dramatically, as all non-COVID and non-emergent care is being neglected. This has led to layoffs of healthcare workers and delays in care for countless patients, which will result in a range of negative consequences. Assuming the need for healthcare services has remained constant while availability of such services has plummeted, countless patients are not receiving the care they need in a timely manner. In medicine, timing is of the essence, so even receiving the same exact in the future comes at a price. Many important services are being delayed: blood donations, organ donations, screening colonoscopies, and many other elective procedures. It is very important to note that elective medical care is not useless medical care; rather, it’s simply meaningful and necessary medical care that is scheduled in advance and not performed on an emergency basis.
Suicide may kill almost as many people as COVID-19 this year.
In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides. Economic ruin results in a wide range of health problems, suicide, mental health issues, loss of health insurance, reluctance to visit doctors in light of financial hardship, and increases in substance abuse. This is on top of the delay in non-COVID care.
The mortality was likely overestimated
The IHME model, as well as Dr. Fauci have recently decreased the likely deaths from this pandemic to around 60,000 from earlier estimates of 1–2 million.The early reports of 3–4% case fatality rate (CFR) are likely misleading. The numbers miss those who are asymptomatic or recovered at home without seeking testing. What we really need to know is the infection mortality rate (IFR). Fortunately we have some good clues. Looking at the data from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the infection fatality rate on the cruise ship was 1%. However, the average age of people on the cruise ship was much higher than the age of the average American. There was a recent study out of Germany in the city of Gangelt where they tested 80% of the population, the IFR there was about 0.37%. The way we are testing now, we cannot know how many people have been infected with COVID-19 since we are missing those who had the disease and recovered. Antibody testing is needed to know the true number of people who have been infected. There is a good chance this number is well above 10 million, which drives the IFR down even further.
Children are at almost no risk from this disease.
The CDC estimates 37 to 187 children die every year, not from Covid-19, from the flu. This year we have lost 105 children from the flu. Yet, we have closed every school in America. Education is vitally important and a whole generation will miss a fourth of this school year. Closing schools also goes a long way towards limiting the development of herd immunity.
PPE was limited but is now becoming more available
This article is not meant to diminish the pain and horror this disease can bring to those who get it. I am a physician in one of the highest risk specialties for contracting the disease in the hospital. The lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) facing US healthcare workers is unfair and wrong. Yet, as the curve has flattened, it seems more hospitals have found adequate PPE. The CDC estimates a possible second wave would be at least 150 days from the end of the lockdown, possibly this fall. Ending the lockdowns would have no effect on the PPE for the current crisis. We would have plenty of time to prepare for a possible second wave.
Authorities should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown
Those who want to continue the lockdown indefinitely should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown. There needs to be a clear reliable model that shows how many additional lives will be saved considering we have already flattened the curve and there is essentially no further risk of overwhelming the health care system. The previous models were wrong. The consequences of indefinite lockdown are quite staggering, to the tune of one million jobs lost per day.
 
KNN just ask any 1 parent are they willing to let their children to be the first death KNN

My parents exposed me to measles despite the fact that there was a 1/500 chance of dying so I don't see why other parents would be hesitant.
 
KNN mortality will increase if lockdown was not implemented KNN

Lockdowns are not going to reduce mortalities all they do is spread the deaths out over a longer period.

The only way that lockdowns could reduce mortality is if an effective vaccine is developed while a lockdown is still in place and this is not going to happen.
 
why not you go raw fuck a prostitute with aids to test your immunity to aids?

HIV is avoidable but measles was a given. That is why the way of ensuring lifelong immunity was to catch it at an early an age as possible when the disease was less lethal.
 
an effective vaccine is now taking a longer time to materialize, from an optimistic 6.9 months to a more realistic 16.9 months. with a quick vaccine out of the question, state govs are giving up hope of waiting for a vaccine and are now considering loosening lockdowns in order to arrive at the inevitable; spread out infections to achieve herd immunity at 69% of population before the next wave in september.
 
Lockdowns are not going to reduce mortalities all they do is spread the deaths out over a longer period.

The only way that lockdowns could reduce mortality is if an effective vaccine is developed while a lockdown is still in place and this is not going to happen.
In fact my uncle was also thinking along this - what is the current objectives for the lockdown KNN
In the event that
1. If the local cases can leeduce to a small lumber per day say 3 cases will pap lift the lockdown KNN
2. If local case can leeduce to 0 pap will lift the lockdown but when 2nd wave comes will lockdown restart KNN
3. If the local case continues to rise or stay at say 25 per day for the next 3 mths will pap continue the lockdown KNN
Finally my uncle think pap is applying the see how it goes strategy to prevent sudden surge in mortality while waiting for the vaccines KNN since lhl did not touch on the objective my uncle is living in fear and unknown daily KNN
 
In fact my uncle was also thinking along this - what is the current objectives for the lockdown KNN
In the event that
1. If the local cases can leeduce to a small lumber per day say 3 cases will pap lift the lockdown KNN
2. If local case can leeduce to 0 pap will lift the lockdown but when 2and wave comes will lockdown restart KNN
3. If the local case continues to rise or stay at say 25 per day for the next 3 mths will pap continue the lockdown KNN
Finally my uncle think pap is applying the see how it goes strategy to prevent sudden surge in mortality while waiting for the vaccines KNN
lockdown main purpose is not to get rid of the wuhanvirus.
it's reach a stage not possible liao
only vaccine possible now
so,lockdown to slow the infection,so that the hospitals can cope and prevent deaths due to lack of resources and more lives can be saved
 
Based on the graph given, lock down only prolong the agony. Instead of one quick bite, it's slowly chewing.
 
In fact my uncle was also thinking along this - what is the current objectives for the lockdown KNN
In the event that
1. If the local cases can leeduce to a small lumber per day say 3 cases will pap lift the lockdown KNN
2. If local case can leeduce to 0 pap will lift the lockdown but when 2nd wave comes will lockdown restart KNN
3. If the local case continues to rise or stay at say 25 per day for the next 3 mths will pap continue the lockdown KNN
Finally my uncle think pap is applying the see how it goes strategy to prevent sudden surge in mortality while waiting for the vaccines KNN since lhl did not touch on the objective my uncle is living in fear and unknown daily KNN

I doubt there'll ever be an effective vaccine but that's just my guess. Of course I would be happy to be proven wrong.

The way to deal with this is just to carry on with life and treat those that are ill to ensure they survive. That's what we did with H1N1 which infected more than 400,000 back in 2009.

The H1N1 strategy was very successful and only 26 died before the pandemic fizzled out.

I see no reason why the same strategy cannot be used against Covid-19 as all the data shows that the mortality rate is similar overall and a lot lower than H1N1 in the under 50s.
 
I doubt there'll ever be an effective vaccine but that's just my guess. Of course I would be happy to be proven wrong.

The way to deal with this is just to carry on with life and treat those that are ill to ensure they survive. That's what we did with H1N1 which infected more than 400,000 back in 2009.

The H1N1 strategy was very successful and only 26 died before the pandemic fizzled out.

I see no reason why the same strategy cannot be used against Covid-19 as all the data shows that the mortality rate is similar overall and a lot lower than H1N1 in the under 50s.
KNN my uncle felt depressed after leeding your message KNN during h1n1 he and his loved ones still has not met all the leequirements of the vulnerable KNN in fact he wasn't even aware there was a outbreak KNN now whilst many are struggling with unemployment and economic problems my uncle is doing deep thinking what is the point for him to continue making incomes KNN
 
KNN if they never plan for rainy days during peace time they are not really fit and suitable to live in this world KNN

Well said bro, I wasn't surprised that many silly men from the strawberry generation don't even have $500 inside her bank accounts :biggrin:
 
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