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DELTA x OMICRON = SUPER MUTANT VIRUS VARIANT

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Risk of dual infection from Omicron and Delta could create a new super-mutant variant, Moderna boss warns​


A new super-variant could be created if Omicron and Delta infect someone at the same time, one of Moderna's bosses has warned.

Covid infections normally only involve one mutant strain, but in extremely rare cases two can strike at the same time.

If these also infect the same cell, they may be able to swap DNA and combine to make a new version of the virus.

Dr Paul Burton, the vaccine maker's chief medical officer, warned the high numbers of Delta and Omicron cases currently circulating in Britain made this more likely.

He told MPs on the Science and Technology Committee that it was 'certainly' possible they could swap genes and trigger an even more dangerous variant.

Researchers have warned that these events, scientifically called 'recombination events', are possible but they require very specific conditions and the coincidence of mostly uncontrollable events.

Only three Covid strains created by viruses swapping genes have ever been recorded, with the virus instead mostly relying on random mutations to make more variants.

A new variant was not triggered over the two months when the Delta strain was outcompeting Alpha through this method.

Omicron is already dominant in London just two weeks after being spotted in the country, and experts estimate it will be the main strain by the New Year.

Dr Burton told the Commons that having the two variants circulating together raised the risk of them swapping genes and making a new variant.

He said: 'There's certainly data, there have been some papers published again from South Africa earlier from the pandemic when people — and certainly immunocompromised people — can harbour both viruses.

'That would be possible here, particularly given the number of infections that we were seeing.'

Asked whether this may lead to a more dangerous variant, he said it 'certainly could'.

Most places have dominant variants so getting infected with two strains at the same time is unlikely.

And, for healthy people, there is thought to only be a window of around two weeks from one infection being triggered before the body starts to develop immunity and successfully clears out the first version.

However, huge and uncontrolled outbreaks like the ones in the UK and US last winter do raise the risk of recombination events simply because the number of infections is higher.

Britain currently has 4,713 Omicron cases confirmed to date, and the variant is behind about one in five cases nationally.

Scientists have told MailOnline that it is possible for two versions of the virus to swap genes, but that it is not likely to happen.

There have been three variants triggered by two others merging recorded to date.

But none have led to a large outbreak, or a more dangerous version of the virus emerging.

In one case a recombination event occurred in the UK when the Alpha variant merged with B.1.177, which first emerged in Spain, in late January.

It led to 44 cases before eventually disappearing.

Scientists in California said they had identified another recombination variant in early February, with the Kent strain merging with B.1.429 which was first spotted in the area.

This new strain also led to very few cases, and quickly disappeared.

Covid mostly relies on random mutations to develop new variants.

These happen when the virus makes copies of itself, and errors appear in its genes.

In most cases these changes are harmless, but occasionally they can trigger an advantage such as being more transmissible or better able to evade vaccines.

It is thought that the Omicron variant emerged in a lingering infection in an immunocompromised person. This allowed the virus to mutate several times to train itself to be better at infecting humans and evading previous immunity.
 
Akan datang, vaccination for toddlers: 6 months to 4 year old.

 
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It’s like a broken record now, got anything new or not?
 
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"It is thought that the Omicron variant emerged in a lingering infection in an immunocompromised person. This allowed the virus to mutate several times to train itself to be better at infecting humans and evading previous immunity."

Isn't the 2nd most admired who is on leave now considered as immunocompromised-with 2 cancers?
 
Are you hoping for a super duper Singapore mutation?
Was watching one of Dr Campbell’s videos and something on the virus’s reproductive success and selection pressure came up- the notion of a more virulent form of C19 is still plausible as the aftermath of an infection has nothing to do with the virus’s reproductive success, i.e the virus had already long reproduced and moved on to the next stage in its new host and reinfecting others while the original host is suffering from the effects of the infection (which may include the severe outcomes).

So this idea of a super duper strain is positively possible and a very real danger. I wonder what would @nightsafari think about this?
 
Who cares! The earlier I get infected, the less dependent I will be on the vaccine.
 
Was watching one of Dr Campbell’s videos and something on the virus’s reproductive success and selection pressure came up- the notion of a more virulent form of C19 is still plausible as the aftermath of an infection has nothing to do with the virus’s reproductive success, i.e the virus had already long reproduced and moved on to the next stage in its new host and reinfecting others while the original host is suffering from the effects of the infection (which may include the severe outcomes).

So this idea of a super duper strain is positively possible and a very real danger. I wonder what would @nightsafari think about this?
zhihau. did you ever play any games in your youth which involved rolling multiple dice to determine outcomes?

Virus mutations are somewhat like that. d20 roll 20 get your super-killer virus 1-10 get neutral or nonsignificant mutation. 11-19 get increased spreading, so on, so forth.

I haven't watched the video you mention, but I do know that Sars cov2 is an RNA virus. So mutation rates are higher than say DNA viruses. Virii to me are pretty scary things. They are relentless. Which is part of the reason why I'm a germophobe. The key to their survival is to spread and to keep spreading.

The recombination you speak of is apparently common in RNA viruses. So I would expect it to continue playing a part. And the mutation rate is high. In fact, you can see covid already is up to omicron. For those who know Greek, Epsilon-Mu left out? No. They've already been identified and catalogued.

Positive selection pressure will favour something that spreads with the least amount of hindrances. If a virus causes a defensive reaction such as a vaccine, it evolves a way to circumvent it as omicron has tried to or more accurately chanced upon. Ultimately, the virus will end up with most infective and least harmful variant if endemic. On the way there though, dice rolls babe. IDK what the dice are going to turn up in the meantime. There may be a killer variant, but it will be short-lived because all the humans will literally lock themselves away and not be infected. :eek:

That's my bet anyway. But so long as China keeps on with it's agricultural policies, it's only a matter of time before the next epidemic. Maybe influenza, maybe coronavirus. Every decade there's at least one or two.

Apologies if you already know all this. :redface: You probably do, but I don't know what you know and it may help others here looking for info.

edit : I just saw Boss Sam's chart on South Africa's cases vs deaths. You can see the "killer" variant in the middle spike and now Omicron being the infect everyone and kill no one variant.
 
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