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Defining someone as FT or Locals
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After reading your entire post carefully, I can tell that you are dwelling on the most trivial part of the conundrum. Policies are made for the vast majority and exceptions built for unusual circumstances.
Look at the forest for the trees.
Don't crack your head about addressing the exceptions until the bigger issues are addressed. The 4 examples cited are a very very small minority.
You might want to bear in mind that the foreigners have been in Singapore since colonial days, many of them have made this country their home. Its not a new phenomenon. Its the wholesale admission of foreigners in recent years across the board and in practically in all vocations that is the issue. The social, political and nation building impact that it causes.
Why so blur?
Look at the forest for the trees.
Don't crack your head about addressing the exceptions until the bigger issues are addressed. The 4 examples cited are a very very small minority.
You might want to bear in mind that the foreigners have been in Singapore since colonial days, many of them have made this country their home. Its not a new phenomenon. Its the wholesale admission of foreigners in recent years across the board and in practically in all vocations that is the issue. The social, political and nation building impact that it causes.
Why so blur?
The point of the entire post is to find out the opinions of how someone in this forum defines a local and a foreigner. I do not care much for the examples I've highlighted nor do I care too much about what is happening to the country as far as this post is concern. What I care about is your opinion and the opinions of pple reading this thread
Which brings me back to the questions
1. In your point of view, how would you define a local and a foreigner?
2. How can a foreigner or descendant of foreigners be considered local?
1. Is this a joke or are you too blind and deaf to notice the most subtle differences between a local and a foreigner? For glaring examples, i suggest you make a trip to the heartlands say AMK, Toa Payoh and stay there for a day. The following day make a trip down to China town, Orchard Road, Holland V, Sentosa and and do the same as per day 1 in the heartlands. This would give you an educated guess on what's what.
2. 落地生根, Enough said
1. In your point of view, how would you define a local and a foreigner?
2. How can a foreigner or descendant of foreigners be considered local?
1. Is this a joke or are you too blind and deaf to notice the most subtle differences between a local and a foreigner? For glaring examples, i suggest you make a trip to the heartlands say AMK, Toa Payoh and stay there for a day. The following day make a trip down to China town, Orchard Road, Holland V, Sentosa and and do the same as per day 1 in the heartlands. This would give you an educated guess on what's what.
2. 落地生根, Enough said
To answer your own questions, just go for lunch Mon-Fri (just pick any day) at the NUS Arts canteen.
Take a look around carefully. Are they mainly FTs or locals? Locals make up perhaps only 20% ok.
You will be shocked if you are not a plant by the MIW
Take a look around carefully. Are they mainly FTs or locals? Locals make up perhaps only 20% ok.
You will be shocked if you are not a plant by the MIW
I think you're right, getting too many unrelated answers. Edited my first post as suggested
Cheers bro.
I don't see this as a wild goose chase question. No matter how minor it is, it is still a valid question and direct the attention at how SGrean define FT.
Like Singlish, it functions exactly how we use the english language; use whatever comes to mind, no structure, no rules. And that's how the lynching mob sees foreign migrants, if they are not from here, but come here to earn money, then they are the enemy, anyone can start a flame and everyone else in the mob will follow.
Want to know how PRC folks see us? Fucking dumb fucks; a product of our over zealous micromanaging government who feels that SINGAPOREANS cannot think for themselves.
Just turn on the radio in the morning, where listeners call in to chat with the radio dj, you'll be treated with local chinese who can't speak mandarin properly, and choppy english on class95 or power98.
It's a vicious cycle, PAP creating a generation (or 2) of uncompetitive locals, then try to import the creme de la creme to replace the dysfunctional (and more expensive) local talents.
So what's left for the losers layer? They want to shout out their displeasure, and anyone with good things to say about SG will automatically be targeted as Papee dogs, failing to see that saying good things about Singapore does not have to be an endorsement of PAP.
Like Singlish, it functions exactly how we use the english language; use whatever comes to mind, no structure, no rules. And that's how the lynching mob sees foreign migrants, if they are not from here, but come here to earn money, then they are the enemy, anyone can start a flame and everyone else in the mob will follow.
Want to know how PRC folks see us? Fucking dumb fucks; a product of our over zealous micromanaging government who feels that SINGAPOREANS cannot think for themselves.
Just turn on the radio in the morning, where listeners call in to chat with the radio dj, you'll be treated with local chinese who can't speak mandarin properly, and choppy english on class95 or power98.
It's a vicious cycle, PAP creating a generation (or 2) of uncompetitive locals, then try to import the creme de la creme to replace the dysfunctional (and more expensive) local talents.
So what's left for the losers layer? They want to shout out their displeasure, and anyone with good things to say about SG will automatically be targeted as Papee dogs, failing to see that saying good things about Singapore does not have to be an endorsement of PAP.
None of you are even answering my question. I'm asking for YOUR OPINION of how you define the difference between a local and a FT.
PAP, SDP, or whatever Political Parties, the current FT situation in SG, or the current state of SG has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD. I'm not interested in any of that, I am interested in knowing how U define a local and how U define a Foreigner
e.g. In my first post I mentioned that
Someone who gives up citizenship in his own country and take up citizenship here FT? Is he considered Local?
Someone who has FT parents who took up citizenship but himself was born and raised here? Is he considered Local?
PR who served NS. Is he considered Local?
Former Citizen who left the country. Should he still be considered Local?
I do not care about FTs in schools, FTs at your workplace or whatever FT anywhere. What I care about in this thread is what is your opinion of how YOU define a local
Nope you said how you define a foreigner first, then now you ask how do you define a local? So which questions do you want us to answer? Make up your mind lah TS!
Fair comment. With many detractors here, not hard to get lopsided on this red dot of ours.
Changing demographics and social landscape over recent years, very plain to see (and experience). On a personal note, I no longer blink when PRC food court staff ask for my order -but what gets my goat is the bloke doing my (sinful) char kuay teow is even a ah tiong. And he doesn't get it, when I ask to add more see hum!:pscroobal said:
Since founding, Singapore has been populated by practically 100% from foreign origins. The British who came here to rule, the Chinese, Indians and others who came here to work, trade or settle, all were from abroad except some supposedly "native" Malay, who themselves or whose forebears were from Johor and Java.
Since the concept of being "local" was hard to establish in a city administered by foreigners (British) and populated by foreigners (Chinese, Indians and others), the term then used was "immigrant", not "foreigner".
Today, with nationhood and several generations born, bred and rooted here, and with links to respective "mother countries" diminished from "compatriots" to "cousins" to mere "ethnic origins", then came the concept of being "local".
Since the concept of being "local" was hard to establish in a city administered by foreigners (British) and populated by foreigners (Chinese, Indians and others), the term then used was "immigrant", not "foreigner".
Today, with nationhood and several generations born, bred and rooted here, and with links to respective "mother countries" diminished from "compatriots" to "cousins" to mere "ethnic origins", then came the concept of being "local".
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In the past it would be "ang mo gow", "lip pun gui" "kek leng gui" "Keow tor" etc..they are foreigners..
Those with RED COLORED NRIC, born in Singapore, if it is male BONDED by the National Service Enlisement Act, have a Central Provident Bank (oops!) Fund account...is not a foreigner.:o
I am giving my 2 cents worth here. Hope it will answer yr qns.
As mention earlier by a fellow bro here. There has been many foreigners coming to spore since 1965. It is only in the recent years that you see a hugh influx of foreigners. With them coming in, many of the things u do, places you go, people you talk with are becoming different. That is why people starts to differentiate locals and foreigners.
Locals are people you hang out with. You speak with them in english, mandaring, hokkien, teochew and... singlish. And they reply you in singlish. You are comfortable with them. You talk to them about your primary school road safety trip, your eca in sec school. Especially your NS experience. I am sure most people will start by asking, "wats yr unit ah? wat vocation?"
These are the local people. And most important, they hold pink ic.
Defining foreigners... They dont speak to you in singlish. Mayb they can speak a fake singlish accent. They dont have road safety excursion. And you can tell by how they cross the roads. Of cos, almost all will try to avoid NS. 2 years of their time. They will be thinking, "how much $$$$ i would have made."
And the last factor. They are not interested to hold pink ic. I have the chance to meet many malaysian during my work. They are mixed of high/low educations, high/low positions in co, PRs n work permits. But NONE of them want to change to pink ic. Cos as foreigners, they really dont care if sinkapore survive or sink. So long as they are earning good income here.
I hope my last 2 paragraphs have answer yr question. I am not against foreigners coming to the country i grow up. But too many in too short a time is too much!!! Fuck the govt!!!
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Very true, also the part about the FTs cheonging across the roads like nobodys business. I have for so many times almost hit them as they are crossing the roads. The funny thing is, so many FTs have this culture of using their handphones when crossing the road on a red light AND using it on their right ear COMPLETELY unaware of incoming traffic.
If you were to warn them turning on the high beam or pressing the horn for even a second, sometimes you get a blank stare or even a finger. I wish someone can gently remind them that the latest handphone they carry does not have any special features shielding against oncoming cars and turning their heads against the flow of traffic/cycling against the flow is really courting death. Maybe a HOTA poster will serve to remind them what would happen to their organs if they were to end up on the losing end.
Remember, the motorist may go to jail(if found guilty), you will lose your life(and probably organs too)
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Even weirder/funnier, one time an FT from India, a boy was running across the road on a red light at the last minute when i blared the horn at him to ask him to not jaywalk and i tried to swerve to avoid him.
He ran back across and almost hit me! He then froze as if its the first time he ever jaywalked and open his arms wide in the middle of the road. I had to brake hard and luckily i did as if i did not, another car behind me would have ram into him.
He was still frozen in shock but quickly recovered in time to run away. His reaction was super comical as it appeared he never thought that cars are dangerous or his parents failed to educate him not to just dash across the road.
He ran back across and almost hit me! He then froze as if its the first time he ever jaywalked and open his arms wide in the middle of the road. I had to brake hard and luckily i did as if i did not, another car behind me would have ram into him.
He was still frozen in shock but quickly recovered in time to run away. His reaction was super comical as it appeared he never thought that cars are dangerous or his parents failed to educate him not to just dash across the road.
Singaporeans are not upset against individual immigrants. They are upset at the increase in competition for scarce resources due to the influx of foreigners. It doesn't matter who they are, how rich they are, how educated they are, how talented they are or even how easily they can integrate into society. The root problem is that the constant inflow of foreigners is a contributing factor to the deteriorating quality of life for Singaporeans.
If the government can ensure that every citizen is well taken care of first before any foreigner (unlikely in any country as the amount of resources is finite and the foreigners need to consume some resources to survive), you can be certain that the dissenting voices will be minimal indeed. The other issue about the foreigners is that too many of them means that the locals will need to adapt to them rather than the other way around which proves my point about the quality of life aspect.
When would someone be considered a local? When he starts realising that he does not want too much immigration to lower his current quality of life in Singapore.
Those who are happy with the influx because it represents a money-making opportunity for them are just traitors.
If the government can ensure that every citizen is well taken care of first before any foreigner (unlikely in any country as the amount of resources is finite and the foreigners need to consume some resources to survive), you can be certain that the dissenting voices will be minimal indeed. The other issue about the foreigners is that too many of them means that the locals will need to adapt to them rather than the other way around which proves my point about the quality of life aspect.
When would someone be considered a local? When he starts realising that he does not want too much immigration to lower his current quality of life in Singapore.
Those who are happy with the influx because it represents a money-making opportunity for them are just traitors.
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Very simple answer lah.Locals are people who have no other country to go back to or the means to migrate....or people who have the means and yet refuse to migrate.
Foreigners are people who still think their motherlands are China,India or whatever; with a pink IC...Its that simple.
Foreigners are people who still think their motherlands are China,India or whatever; with a pink IC...Its that simple.
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