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COVID-19 is killing 20 times more people per week than flu does, new paper says

The authors of this study are saying that the flu deaths from the CDC is all fake news and that instead of tens of thousands of deaths each year it's only a couple of hundred. They then try to inflate the covid-19 death toll by claiming it's under counted.

The liberals will go to any extent to try to destroy the economy.
 
These deaths all imagined too? The actual figure is only a few hundred????

Ineffective flu jab blamed as extra winter deaths hit 40-year high




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Winter deaths hit highest level in more than 40 years as experts blame ineffective flu jab (file image)
Winter deaths hit highest level in more than 40 years as experts blame ineffective flu jab (file image) Credit: PA

30 November 2018 • 11:15am




The number of winter deaths last year the hit highest level in more than 40 years after the failure of last year’s flu jab.

There were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017/18 - the highest recorded since winter 1975/76, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.

The number of excess winter deaths observed in 2017/18 was higher than all years since the 1975/76 winter period, when there were 58,100 extra deaths. The last peak was in 2014/15, when there were 43,850 excess deaths - which was the worst figure since the millennium.

Compared with recent years, excess winter deaths observed in 2017/18 were 45.1 per cent higher than the 2016/17 winter and more than double that seen in 2015/16.
Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the ONS, said: "The number of excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017-2018 was the highest recorded since the winter of 1975-1976.

"It is likely that last winter's increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures."
Last year's flu jab protected just one in 10 pensioners.

The worst protection was among over 65s - the age group most vulnerable to flu - with effectiveness of 10.1 per cent and none at all against some key strains, an evaluation by Public Health England shows. Figures among younger adults were little better at 12.2 per cent, with rates of 26.9 per cent among children, the provisional end-of-season estimates show.

The failings contributed to the worst flu season for seven years, with 15,000 deaths from the virus, around twice the average figure, and the worst NHS performance on record.

Health officials hope to avert such a crisis this winter, with new types of jabs on offer for all adults.

This year adults below the age of 65 eligible for jabs - those with common health problems such as asthma and diabetes - are being offered a vaccine which protects against four key strains of flu, instead of the previous version which protected against three. And pensioners are being offered a boosted jab, found to better protect the elderly.

However, there have been concerns about the lateness of the decision to order the new types of vaccination. As a result, deliveries to GP surgeries have been staggered, with some 40 per cent of stocks only due to arrive this month.

Caroline Abrahams, Age UK's Charity Director, said the new figures were “distressing” with more than nine in 10 excess deaths involving pensioners.

She said: “A toxic cocktail of poor housing, high energy prices and ill health can make winter a dangerous time for many older people, and tragically it is the oldest old and those who are the most vulnerable who particularly suffer the consequences.

“We know such high levels of excess winter deaths are not inevitable. As a country we are not doing enough to ensure our older population stays warm and well warm, well and protected from winter flu throughout the harsh winter months.

“Age UK is urging older people to do everything possible to protect themselves against the threats posed by the winter cold – and it is vital that we pull together and make sure we all help those around us.”

The charity advised all pensioners to have the new boosted jabs this year. It also said patients elderly patients should check eligibility for the pneumonia vaccine. And it urged pensioners to wrap up warm, keep a stocked medicine cabinet of cold and sore throat.

Dr Jenny Harries, deputy medical director at Public Health England said: "The winter of 2017/18 saw an intense flu season and some very cold weather. Such weather particularly affects people who are already vulnerable, increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke.

“We are working closely with other public and community health and care systems to advise people how to Stay Well This Winter and we have made new flu vaccines available, including a more effective vaccine for all adults aged 65 and over. We urge all vulnerable groups to take up the offer of the flu vaccine.”

An NHS spokesman said: “The impact of flu is exactly why this winter, people over-65 are being offered the most effective flu jab available anywhere in the world, as part of a record NHS vaccination programme that has made 8.5 million doses available and includes free coverage for care home workers.

“There is still time for people to get vaccinated before the start of the flu season, while frail and elderly people can take common sense steps, like heating their homes, to help them stay well this winter.”

However, there have been concerns about the lateness of the decision to order the new types of vaccination. As a result, deliveries to GP surgeries have been staggered, with some 40 per cent of stocks only due to arrive this month.

Caroline Abrahams, Age UK's Charity Director, said the new figures were “distressing” with more than nine in 10 excess deaths involving pensioners.

She said: “A toxic cocktail of poor housing, high energy prices and ill health can make winter a dangerous time for many older people, and tragically it is the oldest old and those who are the most vulnerable who particularly suffer the consequences.

“We know such high levels of excess winter deaths are not inevitable. As a country we are not doing enough to ensure our older population stays warm and well warm, well & protected from winter flu throughout the harsh winter months.

“Age UK is urging older people to do everything possible to protect themselves against the threats posed by the winter cold – and it is vital that we pull together and make sure we all help those around us.”

The charity advised all pensioners to have the new boosted jabs this year. It also said patients elderly patients should check eligibility for the pneumonia vaccine. And it urged pensioners to wrap up warm, keep a stocked medicine cabinet of cold and sore throat.
 
If covid-19 is 20 times more lethal than the flu where are the rows of coffins containing the ravaged corpses of our foreign worker brigade??

Tens of thousands of Banglas and Indians infected but no change in the death toll, no change in the numbers in ICU and no change in the number in hospital.

See for yourself:

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So every single day close to a thousand new positive tests but all just sitting in isolation which can only mean that they either have no symptoms or symptoms so mild that they can still it curry.
 
When will these angmoh cuntries own up the “flu deaths” are in fact Covid deaths? China has audited and reaudited their figures, when will the angmoh come clean instead of “ask China”?
 
When will these angmoh cuntries own up the “flu deaths” are in fact Covid deaths? China has audited and reaudited their figures, when will the angmoh come clean instead of “ask China”?

Trump pushes CDC to lower coronavirus death counts

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-...oronavirus-death-counts-QuDVUNQGK4/index.html

President Donald Trump and his aides are pushing the CDC to change its coronavirus death-toll methodology, according to The Daily Beast, which cited five unnamed sources saying that the White House had pushed for a different system that could produce a lower U.S. death figure. The sources said that Dr. Deborah Birx, the task force's response coordinator, had urged for two categories of deaths to be excluded: people who likely had, but weren't confirmed as having, COVID-19, and people who definitely had COVID-19 but died from unrelated causes or underlying conditions. Trump has publicly supported CDC's numbers, though other reports have described him as being suspicious that the figures are too high. However, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci said coronavirus deaths are undercounted.
 
The authors of this study are saying that the flu deaths from the CDC is all fake news and that instead of tens of thousands of deaths each year it's only a couple of hundred. They then try to inflate the covid-19 death toll by claiming it's under counted.

The liberals will go to any extent to try to destroy the economy.

When people die, there will be no economy.
 
Less death due to air pollution will balance covid deaths I am guessing.
 
I will definitely support more deaths in herd immunity than lockdowns which causes economy destruction

 
No kills here. In Singapore, they are "discharged". :laugh:
 
1% morality rate is not deadly to the 99%

It's not even 1%. Just take a look at the data from the state of Massachusetts which has had a relatively high number of deaths.

The average age of those dying is 82!!! Not many of us reach that age in the first place.

For the younger generation here are the stats:

40-49 age group 6/100,000 = 0.006% case death rate. (Actual mortality rate will be even lower because a large number are asymptomatic).

30-39 age group 2/100,000 = 0.002% case death rate ( " )

20-29 age group 1/100.000 = 0.001% case death rate ( " )

0-19 age group - a big fat ZERO deaths.

So what we have done is destroy the economy so huge numbers below 50 will suffer financial devastation just so that a small group of citizens of average age 82 will have a better chance of living till 82.5 or perhaps 83.

Anyone with half a brain can surely see the tragedy of the world's approach in dealing with a relatively harmless bug.

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It's not even 1%. Just take a look at the data from the state of Massachusetts which has had a relatively high number of deaths.

The average age of those dying is 82!!! Not many of us reach that age in the first place.

For the younger generation here are the stats:

40-49 age group 6/100,000 = 0.006% case death rate. (Actual mortality rate will be even lower because a large number are asymptomatic).

30-39 age group 2/100,000 = 0.002% case death rate ( " )

20-29 age group 1/100.000 = 0.001% case death rate ( " )

0-19 age group - a big fat ZERO deaths.

So what we have done is destroy the economy so huge numbers below 50 will suffer financial devastation just so that a small group of citizens of average age 82 will have a better chance of living till 82.5 or perhaps 83.

Anyone with half a brain can surely see the tragedy of the world's approach in dealing with a relatively harmless bug.

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Flu is a lot worse

A record-breaking 105 US children have died from flu so far this season
By Gina Yu, CNN

Updated 1834 GMT (0234 HKT) February 21, 2020


(CNN)So far this season,105 children have died from the flu, according to data released Friday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is the highest number of child flu deaths at this point in the season since the CDC started keeping records in 2004, except for the 2009 flu pandemic.

Flu leaves a 4-year-old girl blind in Iowa
Flu leaves a 4-year-old girl blind in Iowa


It has been an "unusual" flu season with a higher proportion of children and young adults affected than the older population, according to Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
The earlier prevalence of influenza B -- a flu strain that tends to be more common in children -- could be a reason why more children were affected, Schaffner said. Also, as the number of influenza B cases decreased, the number of H1N1 cases increased, he said. H1N1 is a subtype of the influenza A strain, which also affects children more than adults.
"This is the first time in 25 years where [influenza B] became so common so early," said Dr. Buddy Creech, an associate professor of pediatric infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
Neither Schaffner nor Creech know why this year's influenza timeline is so different.
"It's leaving all influenza virologists puzzled," Schaffner said.
A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 26 million Americans so far. It's the flu
A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 26 million Americans so far. It's the flu

That earlier influenza B peak may be one reason why there are more pediatric flu-related deaths than usual, according to Schaffner.
Also, influenza B can present with unexpected symptoms, so parents might not seek care right away, according to Creech.
"Often influenza B is more likely to cause gastrointestinal symptoms than influenza A, though both can in young children," he said. "Some parents don't recognize these symptoms as part of influenza ... which may delay thinking of influenza and delay treatment."
Gastrointestinal symptoms, such as vomiting, can also impact one's ability to take antivirals that can shorten the flu's duration, he said.
A teen's final days with the flu
A teen's final days with the flu

Another reason for the higher number of flu-related deaths in children might not be specific to kids at all.
"It could just be a reflection of a particularly severe season," said Dr. Arnold Monto, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan School of Public Health. Monto noted that there are many flu-related deaths among children every year in the United States.
He agreed that it's an odd season that may last longer.
"We may have the flu going into April this year because it's still going strong right now," he said.
This season's flu shot offers 'substantial protection' in a season tough on children
This season's flu shot offers 'substantial protection' in a season tough on children

Given the uncertainty about how long this flu season will last, Monto recommended getting an influenza vaccine, explaining that the children who die from the flu are more likely to be the ones who weren't vaccinated.
The CDC said this week it considers the current flu shot to be "substantial protection" for children ages 6 months to 17 years old.
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Schaffner also said everyone should get vaccinated, especially since the flu can strike a perfectly healthy individual and cause severe illness. At least half of the children who die from the flu were otherwise healthy, he said.
"[The vaccine] may not prevent the illness completely," Schaffner said, "but if you're vaccinated and you still get the flu, you're more likely to have a less severe infection ... Your risk of dying is less."
 
Flu leaves a 4-year-old girl blind in Iowa
By Elizabeth Cohen and John Bonifield, CNN

Updated 1339 GMT (2139 HKT) January 11, 2020


(CNN)A 4-year-old girl in Iowa nearly died and is now blind because of the flu, and her parents have a message: Get your child vaccinated.
"If I can stop one child from getting sick, that's what I want to do," said Amanda Phillips. "It's terrible to see your child suffer like this."
US flu activity fell last week, but it's too early to say the worst is over
US flu activity fell last week, but it's too early to say the worst is over

Jade DeLucia, who did not receive a flu shot this season, caught the flu a few days before Christmas and spent nearly two weeks in the intensive care unit at the University of Iowa Stead Family Children's Hospital.
"She is lucky to be alive," said one of her physicians, Dr. Theresa Czech. "She's a little fighter. And I think she's super lucky."
Her parents, who've missed work to care for Jade and face medical bills, have started a GoFundMe page.
Every year, dozens of children die from the flu, and most of them had not received a flu shot, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Thousands more children are hospitalized.
Many of those who becomes seriously ill or died were perfectly healthy before they contracted the flu.
Jade is one of them.
Jade DeLucia before she contracted the flu.


Jade DeLucia before she contracted the flu.
'It's a little bug'
On December 19, Phillips noticed that Jade wasn't quite her usually bubbly self.
Most states make it difficult for children to get a flu shot
Most states make it difficult for children to get a flu shot

"She'd say, 'Mom, I don't feel good,' and we'd cuddle on the couch," Phillips remembers.
A few times over the next several days, Jade spiked a low-grade fever. Medicine brought it down easily, and she went back to playing with her older sister, Catalina.
"She was running around, having fun, eating normally, asking for snacks," her mother remembers. "It was just -- it's a little bug, she'll get over it."
Phillips thinks back to those four days, December 19 through December 23, and wracks her brain for something that might have told her what was about to happen.
"There wasn't any sign that would've told me that something was seriously wrong with her," she said.
'We have to go to the emergency room'
The night of December 23, while Phillips was working her shift as an assistant manager at a Dollar General store, Jade's father, Stephen DeLucia, tucked Jade into bed.
Building a better flu vaccine -- one you don't have to get every year
Building a better flu vaccine -- one you don't have to get every year

The next morning, the family was ready to leave the house to spend Christmas Eve with Phillips' parents. But Jade hadn't yet woken up.
When her father went to check on her, Jade was lying in bed, unresponsive. And her body was burning hot.
"I yelled at him -- I was like, 'We have to go. We have to go to the emergency room. This isn't right. Something's not right with her," Phillips said.
When they arrived at Covenant Medical Center, Jade's body started shaking uncontrollably, and her eyes rolled to the back of her head.

She was having a seizure.
Doctors filled the room. They said Jade needed to be transferred to the children's hospital at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, about 80 miles away. There was no time for an ambulance. She would have to be flown.
Her parents watched the helicopter take off.
"I didn't think I was going to see her again at that point," Phillips said. "I really didn't. Just from looking at her, I really honestly didn't think I was going to see her."
 
Trump pushes CDC to lower coronavirus death counts

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-...oronavirus-death-counts-QuDVUNQGK4/index.html


President Donald Trump and his aides are pushing the CDC to change its coronavirus death-toll methodology, according to The Daily Beast, which cited five unnamed sources saying that the White House had pushed for a different system that could produce a lower U.S. death figure. The sources said that Dr. Deborah Birx, the task force's response coordinator, had urged for two categories of deaths to be excluded: people who likely had, but weren't confirmed as having, COVID-19, and people who definitely had COVID-19 but died from unrelated causes or underlying conditions. Trump has publicly supported CDC's numbers, though other reports have described him as being suspicious that the figures are too high. However, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci said coronavirus deaths are undercounted.

Yes the libtards are trying to cheat by counting deaths with covid-19 as deaths caused by covid-19. Trump is doing the right thing in setting the record straight.

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It's not even 1%. Just take a look at the data from the state of Massachusetts which has had a relatively high number of deaths.

The average age of those dying is 82!!! Not many of us reach that age in the first place.

For the younger generation here are the stats:

40-49 age group 6/100,000 = 0.006% case death rate. (Actual mortality rate will be even lower because a large number are asymptomatic).

30-39 age group 2/100,000 = 0.002% case death rate ( " )

20-29 age group 1/100.000 = 0.001% case death rate ( " )

0-19 age group - a big fat ZERO deaths.

So what we have done is destroy the economy so huge numbers below 50 will suffer financial devastation just so that a small group of citizens of average age 82 will have a better chance of living till 82.5 or perhaps 83.

Anyone with half a brain can surely see the tragedy of the world's approach in dealing with a relatively harmless bug.

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Now those that advocate for the lockdown knows they will face a great backlash. N sprouting crap to justify it. 1 trillion bucks saved by the lockdown? Who the crap will believe?

The costs of the shutdown are overestimated -- they're outweighed by its $1 trillion benefit

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Richard Holden, UNSW, Bruce Preston, University of Melbourne
May 16, 2020 8.35am AEST
As Australia begins to relax its COVID-19 restrictions there is understandable debate about how quickly that should proceed, and whether lockdowns even made sense in Australia in the first place.

The sceptics arguing for more rapid relaxation of containment measures point to the economic costs of lockdowns and appeal to the cold calculus of cost-benefit analysis to conclude that the lives saved by lockdowns don’t justify the economic costs incurred to do so.

Their numbers don’t stack up.

To be able to weigh the value of a life against the economic costs of forgone output from lost jobs and business closures, requires placing a dollar value on one person’s life. This number is called the value of a statistical life.

In Australia, the Government generally uses a value of A$4.9 million. The United States uses a value of US$10 million.

What are the benefits of the shutdown? This is the value of lives saved plus any indirect economic or health benefits. Lives saved are those excess lives that would be lost if government relied on a strategy that allowed enough people to get infected to result in so-called herd immunity.

How many extra lives would be lost under this second strategy?

To answer this, we need assumptions about the virus.

The lives lost if we let it rip
The initial reproduction rate of the virus, R0, was thought to be about 2.5. This means that every 2 people infected were likely to infect another 5; producing an average infection rate per person of 2.5.

Herd immunity for COVID-19 is estimated to require roughly 60% of the population be infected before the curve begins to flatten and the peak infections fall.

This happens when the reproduction rate, R0, falls below one. Because of subsequent new infections, the total number infected over the course of the pandemic is closer to 90%.

Given a population of 25 million people and assuming a fatality rate of 1%, this would produce 225,000 deaths.

An assumption of a 1% fatality rate is low from the perspective of those making decisions at the onset of the pandemic, at a time when crucial and reliable data were missing.

Those lives are valued at $1.1 trillion
Converting those fatalities to dollars using the Australian value of a statistical life of A$4.9 million per life yields a cost of A$1.1 trillion.

In rough terms, that’s the amount we have gained by shutting down the economy, provided deaths do not skyrocket when lockdown measures are relaxed and borders re-open.

It is about three fifths of one year’s gross domestic product, which is about A$1.9 trillion.

What are the costs of the shutdown?

These are the direct economic costs from reduced economic activity plus the indirect social, medical, and economic costs, all measured in terms of national income.

A starting point is to take the lost income that occurs from the recession that has probably already begun.

What will the shutdown cost?
Let’s assume that the downturn results in a 10% drop in gross domestic product over 2020 and 2021 – about $180 billion – consistent with IMF forecasts of a fall in GDP of 6.7% in 2020 and a sharp rebound of 6.1% growth in 2021, and comparable to the Reserve Bank of Australia’s forecasts in the latest Statement on Monetary Policy.

Comparing this cost from shutting down – about $180 billion – to the benefit of $1,103 billion – makes the case for shutdown clear.

But this calculation grossly overestimates the costs of the shutdown.

The recession is a consequence of both the shutdown and the pandemic.

We need to attribute costs to each.

Most of the economic costs of the recession are likely to be due to the pandemic itself rather the shutdown.

Many costs would have been borne anyway
Even before the shutdown, economic activity was in decline.

Both in Australia and internationally air travel, restaurant bookings and a range of other activities had fallen sharply.

They were the result of a “private shutdown” that commenced before the mandated government shutdown.

Even in a country such as Sweden, where a shutdown has not been mandatory, there has been a more than 75% reduction in movement in central Stockholm and a more than 90% reduction in travel to some domestic holiday destinations.

To be generous, let’s assume the costs attributable to the government-mandated part of the shutdown are half of the total costs, making their cost A$90 billion.

In reality, they are likely to be less, one important study suggests much less.

It is hard to imagine a much bigger private shutdown not taking place had the government decided to simply let the disease rip until its spread was slowed by herd immunity.

Support is not a cost
It is also important to note that the government’s spending of A$214 billion to support the economy during the shutdown is a transfer of resources from one part of society to another rather than a cost.

It creates neither direct costs nor benefits for society as a whole, other than the economic distortions coming from raising the revenue to service the spending.

With long-term government bond rates near 1% (less than inflation), the total cost of distortions is likely to be tiny.

Of course, this discussion simplifies what are incredibly complex social, health and economic questions. There are clearly further costs, from both relaxing restrictions and keeping them in place.

Other costs are not that big
These costs are worthy of serious study and should rightly be part of a comprehensive public policy discussion. But looked at through the lens of a cost-benefit analysis these combined effects are likely to be small relative to the value of preventing mass death.

Among them are the incidence of mental health problems and domestic violence under lockdowns. They are important concerns that should be addressed by targeted and well-designed programs.

Weighing against that is evidence that economic crises are associated with declines in overall mortality rates.

While suicides rise, total mortality, including deaths from heart attacks and workplace and traffic accidents, falls.

In the specific case of this pandemic there is survey evidence based on respondents from 58 countries suggesting that strong government responses to the pandemic have been reducing worry and depression.

Also, we have to acknowledge that recessions and educational disruption have health and economic costs that are unequally spread.

The shutdown disproportionately impacts more-disadvantaged people including short-term casual workers, migrant workers, those with disabilities and the homeless.

The most-disadvantaged suffer, either way
This skewing will also be present in the herd immunity option. As New York City makes clear, a rapid spread of the disease also disproportionately impacts disadvantaged communities. One can only speculate about the disease burden should some of our remote indigenous communities get exposed.

To this we should add further achievements of the shutdown:

elimination of mental trauma and grief from losing our loved ones

avoiding the costs of possible longer-term implications of the disease, which we still know little about

avoiding a collapse in the capacity of the health system to deal with other emergencies through the sheer numbers of COVID-19 infected combined with staff shortages due to illness

Those advocating cost-benefit analysis of this kind have to apply the principle systematically. It is difficult to see how the total of these sorts of considerations on each side of the ledger could compare to the benefit of lives saved. They will be an order of magnitude, if not two, smaller.

$90 billion, versus $1.1 trillion
In the cold calculus of cost-benefit analysis, a highly pessimistic view of the economic costs of Australia’s shutdown comes to around $90 billion.

It is a small price to pay compared to the statistical value of lives the shutdown should save, around A$1.1 trillion.

It produces a simple message. The shutdown wins.

The question we now face is how quickly to relax restrictions. Here, too, there are costs and benefits, and we need to be mindful of the economic cost of a second-wave outbreak, plus mortality costs of disease spread before effective treatments or vaccine become available.

And in all of this bean counting, we should remember that putting a price tag on human life is sometimes unavoidable – such as when a doctor with access to only one ventilator has to choose between two patients.

But we shouldn’t mistake necessity for desirability. We should seek to avoid needing to make such wrenching choices whenever possible.

Dr Jen Schaefer of the Royal Children’s Hospital Melbourne assisted with the preparation of this piece.
 
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