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Correlation between universal BCG vaccination policy and reduced morbidity and mortality for COVID-19

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While the low IQ dumbfuck opposition clowns in this forum make inane comments about my beloved PAP and are spreading falsehoods I have been busy researching this fascinating episode in our lives.

If there is correlation then sinkies don't need to worry as much as many other nations. Just sit back and watch other countries suffer from the comfort of your living room.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1.full.pdf

Correlation between universal BCG vaccination policy and reduced morbidity and mortality for COVID-19: an epidemiological study Aaron Miller, Mac Josh Reandelar, Kimberly Fasciglione, Violeta Roumenova, Yan Li, and Gonzalo H. Otazu* Department of Biomedical Sciences, NYIT College of Osteopathic Medicine, New York Institute of Technology, Old Westbury, New York, USA *Correspondence to: [email protected]

Abstract COVID-19 has spread to most countries in the world. Puzzlingly, the impact of the disease is different in different countries. These differences are attributed to differences in cultural norms, mitigation efforts, and health infrastructure. Here we propose that national differences in COVID19 impact could be partially explained by the different national policies respect to Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG) childhood vaccination.

BCG vaccination has been reported to offer broad protection to respiratory infections. We compared large number of countries BCG vaccination policies with the morbidity and mortality for COVID-19. We found that countries without universal policies of BCG vaccination (Italy, Nederland, USA) have been more severely affected compared to countries with universal and long-standing BCG policies. Countries that have a late start of universal BCG policy (Iran, 1984) had high mortality, consistent with the idea that BCG protects the vaccinated elderly population. We also found that BCG vaccination also reduced the number of reported COVID-19 cases in a country.

The combination of reduced morbidity and mortality makes BCG vaccination a potential new tool in the fight against COVID-19.
 
27 MARCH 2020

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Australian researchers to trial BCG vaccine for Covid-19

The trial is designed to enrol approximately 4,000 healthcare workers at hospitals across Australia. Credit: Parentingupstream from Pixabay.

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Researchers at the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute in Australia are set to conduct a randomised, multi-centre clinical trial to test the use of tuberculosis vaccine BCG against Covid-19.

The BRACE trial is intended for healthcare workers. It is based on previous study findings that BCG decreases the level of virus in patients infected by viruses similar to SARS-CoV-2.

Murdoch Children’s Research Institute director Kathryn North said: “This trial will allow the vaccine’s effectiveness against Covid-19 symptoms to be properly tested, and may help save the lives of our heroic frontline healthcare workers.”

The controlled trial is expected to enrol approximately 4,000 healthcare workers at hospitals across Australia, including the Melbourne Campus’ Royal Children’s Hospital.

BCG will be assessed for its ability to mitigate the prevalence and severity of Covid-19 symptoms.

More than 130 million babies currently receive the BCG vaccination for tuberculosis each year. The vaccine is said to enhance ‘frontline’ immunity.

The improved immunity is expected to provide the time required to develop and validate a specific vaccine for Covid-19 infection.

The BRACE study is based on an existing trial at the institute, which led to human ethics approvals. The existing trial is being conducted at sites across Australia.

North added: “Using rapidly sourced and immediately deployable funds, we will be relentless in our pursuit of preventions and treatments for this unprecedented pandemic.

“These trials will allow the rapid advancement of the most promising candidates to clinical practice, giving us the most number of shots on goal against Covid-19 as possible.”

Trials of potential vaccine candidates for Covid-19 are already underway in the US and China
 
So the cure is BCG vaccine!

And all sinkies already got the cure! No wonder lah. And I thought it was the tok gong NCID.
 
The mainstream media has already got wind of this...

This Vaccine Could Save Health Care Workers’ Lives Now
Clinical evidence suggests the BCG vaccine may provide vital protection against the coronavirus.
BY ANNIE SPARROW | MARCH 24, 2020, 1:12 PM
A nurse in a hazmat suit

A nurse in a hazmat suit packages a completed test for the coronavirus to be sent to a lab in Somerville, Massachusetts, on March 18. JOSEPH PREZIOSO/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

Health workers are our most valuable resource for combating the coronavirus pandemic. They are also among the most vulnerable. During the SARS coronavirus epidemic in 2003, 20 percent of those infected globally (1,701) were health care workers. We tend to focus on age as a risk factor for COVID-19, but the biggest risk may be being a health worker, of any age.


The consequence extends well beyond the individuals infected. Every health worker who sickens or dies from COVID-19 reduces the capacity of the health system that cares for us all. Yet there are important steps that public health authorities could be taking right now to better protect health workers, and only a lack of imagination is stopping them being used.

As an intensive-care pediatrician and public health specialist, I have worked in many of the world’s worst outbreaks, several of them in war zones. As with many of my colleagues around the world, this is not my first pandemic. Yet, for the first time, I am filled with dread, even despair. Why?

Even in the best of circumstances, medical staff are at risk. In any emergency room, it is a given that we often have to get close to our patients to save them—to do CPR, intubate, ventilate, and resuscitate. When time is of the essence, few of us will let our patient die for the want of an N95 mask. We risk it.

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These are not the best of circumstances.

Today, health workers are at great risk for several reasons. Medical personnel are exposed to more viral particles than the general public. That means they’re both more likely to get infected and likelier to have worse cases when they do—which may be why so many younger Chinese doctors died. Protective equipment is in short supply as the tide of patients rises. And a combination of stress and long hours probably makes the immune systems of health workers more vulnerable than normal. This combination turns hospitals into hot spots of transmission—coronavirus “pumps.”

Since the beginning of this pandemic, many front-line health workers have paid the ultimate price. The doctors in Wuhan who first raised the alarm not only were silenced by Chinese authorities, but several died of the virus. The pathogen does not discriminate among specialties. The first fatality among them was Li Wenliang, a young ophthalmologist—not a profession normally considered high-risk. His colleague Mei Zhongming, who died the following month, was also an ophthalmologist. A third was a thyroid and breast surgeon. A fourth, a neurosurgeon and hospital director. In Britain today, two ear, nose, and throat specialists are in critical condition.

We don’t even have accurate numbers about the number of health workers infected or killed. China has never released accurate figures—just as it has never released an accurate count of the total number of people who died from COVID-19. (If you died without being tested for COVID, Beijing says, you didn’t die of COVID.)

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For six weeks, China insisted that only 13 doctors had been infected, lulling us into thinking that spread within hospitals was not a concern and could easily be prevented by standard masks and gloves. Suddenly, on Feb. 14, the announced number skyrocketed to 1,716, more than the medics infected throughout the entire SARS epidemic. By Feb. 20, the World Health Organization mission in China reported 2,055 lab-confirmed COVID-19 cases among health workers. By March 3, China estimated up to 3,200 had been infected.

By contrast, Italy consistently reported high rates of infected medics—about 8.5 percent of total infections, or 20 percent of their health care workforce. In Spain, over 4,000 healthcare workers have been infected.

And these are well-prepared countries. In less-developed parts of the world such as much of sub-Saharan Africa, weak health care systems and inadequate infection control measures—a lack of running water, let alone disinfectant or isolation rooms—means overburdened staff are at exceptionally high risk. The same is true in areas of conflict such as Yemen and Syria, as well as crowded refugee camps and sprawling urban slums. All of these areas are prime targets for the coronavirus.

When there are no doctors to intubate, no nurses to provide care, the death rate will skyrocket. And not just from COVID-19. None of the usual killers—such as heart disease, cancer, and car accidents—are conveniently suspended during a pandemic.

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We all know that using personal protective equipment and related protocols are essential. Yet, even when health workers are in a full moon suit, virus particles can often find a way to infect them. Institutions can equally fail in their duty to protect health care workers. When two nurses in Dallas were infected with Ebola in 2014, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention contended that it was due to a breach in protocol—but the nurses said no protocols had been established in the first place. When a Californian nurse caring for a COVID-19 patient developed symptoms and requested a test, the CDC refused, saying if she had followed protocol, she wouldn’t have been infected. (The CDC subsequently changed its protocols for both cases but has never apologized to the nurses.)

In any event, today there are not enough N95 masks, gowns, suits, and goggles to go around. Given the uncertainty, risk, and fear surrounding this disease, it is hard to have the confidence needed to care for patients well. For those with families and children they spend time with after their shifts, it is even harder.

For both pragmatic and humanitarian reasons, protecting health care workers should be our highest priority in fighting the coronavirus.
More beds, more hospitals, and perfect supply chains will all be redundant if there are no health care workers left or willing to take the considerable risks to fight the disease.

Yet there are things that could be done to better protect health workers. A vaccine for COVID-19 is a long way off, but certain other drugs may offer some protection. That does not mean adopting the various forms of quackery, snake oil, and supposed miracle cures that the panic of a pandemic tends to promote. Research protocols are not the same as rumors, anecdotes, and presidential tweets.

Yet one area worth exploring is the use of live vaccines to increase the recipient’s immune response. One such inoculation is called the Bacillus Calmette-Guérin vaccine, or BCG, which has long been used against tuberculosis.

Several studies in other contexts show that BCG primes the immune system to respond better to infections of various sorts, not just TB. Two studies in adults (one in patients aged 60 to 75) showed that BCG reduces respiratory infections by 70 to 80 percent. Two more reported a 15 to 40 percent lower risk of respiratory infections in vaccinated children. Another showed that, when given to infants in countries with severe health challenges and combined with a revived immunization scheme, BCG cut deaths from all causes by just under a third. However, some studies suggest that this protective effect lasts only until an inactivated vaccine (such as an influenza vaccine) is later given.

Given this promising research, a systematic review commissioned by the WHO and published in 2016 concluded that the BCG vaccine had beneficial off-target effects and recommended further research. One such trial has just begun in the Netherlands. A larger trial of 4,000 health workers is due to start next week in Australia. Others are being considered in Greece, Britain, Germany, Denmark, and the United States.

That protection would not be perfect—a BCG vaccination is not the same as a targeted vaccination for COVID-19—but it is likely to significantly reduce illness and death among those who receive it. Even if BCG vaccines were given only to health workers, we might substantially reduce the risks they face and lessen the risk of our hospitals and health systems collapsing. If effective, it could also be rapidly given to other particularly vulnerable people such as the elderly. It could be especially useful in countries that have weak health care systems and would quickly be overwhelmed by a large outbreak. And the vaccine is cheap, safe, and, most important, immediately available for testing. Health care workers must be the priority, but once manufacture of the vaccine is ramped up, it could be much more widely available.

Yet the big global institutions are dawdling. Despite the WHO’s recommendation, big public health institutions are not actively investigating BCG. Nor are global health foundations such as Gates funding this crucial research. While research and development into new drugs may be sexier, it is hard to understand the reluctance to explore nontraditional uses of existing drugs. The big pharmaceutical companies are also sitting on their hands, apparently because there is little profit in an established vaccine such as BCG.

Our global defenses are only as good as our front-line health workers. With so much evidence pointing to the potential for BCG to provide at least partial protection, it is indefensible, even unethical, to overlook it simply because this strategy is unorthodox and unprofitable. Trials to test its beneficial effects for COVID-19 are urgently needed.

Annie Sparrow is an assistant profe
 
It is a correlation. But so far not proven as cause and effect.

Just so happens those countries also have better testing and contact tracing.
 
It is a correlation. But so far not proven as cause and effect.

Just so happens those countries also have better testing and contact tracing.

No harm giving it to frontline staff even before anything has been proven. It might just tip the odds.

Could also be given to the 70+ too. Nothing to lose and everything to gain.
 
No harm giving it to frontline staff even before anything has been proven. It might just tip the odds.

Could also be given to the 70+ too. Nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Trouble is for older folks their immune system is not up to scratch. So they may not mount an immune response to the vaccine.

BCG is also a live vaccine. We take caution when giving it to immunocompromised patients.
 
Trouble is for older folks their immune system is not up to scratch. So they may not mount an immune response to the vaccine.

BCG is also a live vaccine. We take caution when giving it to immunocompromised patients.

Need your opinion. I get my flu shot every year. Some years the side effects are very mild. A slightly sore arm for a couple of days and nothing else.

This year I felt like crap for 3 days and my arm ached for almost 5 days.

Does the latter imply a better immune response?
 
Need your opinion. I get my flu shot every year. Some years the side effects are very mild. A slightly sore arm for a couple of days and nothing else.

This year I felt like crap for 3 days and my arm ached for almost 5 days.

Does the latter imply a better immune response?
If you are referring to the sore arm then no.

It could just be they injected in a spot that hurts you more.

If you had a fever and flu like symptoms then maybe yes. Cos that is systemic.
 
While the low IQ dumbfuck opposition clowns in this forum make inane comments about my beloved PAP and are spreading falsehoods I have been busy researching this fascinating episode in our lives.

If there is correlation then sinkies don't need to worry as much as many other nations. Just sit back and watch other countries suffer from the comfort of your living room.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1.full.pdf

Correlation between universal BCG vaccination policy and reduced morbidity and mortality for COVID-19: an epidemiological study Aaron Miller, Mac Josh Reandelar, Kimberly Fasciglione, Violeta Roumenova, Yan Li, and Gonzalo H. Otazu* Department of Biomedical Sciences, NYIT College of Osteopathic Medicine, New York Institute of Technology, Old Westbury, New York, USA *Correspondence to: [email protected]

Abstract COVID-19 has spread to most countries in the world. Puzzlingly, the impact of the disease is different in different countries. These differences are attributed to differences in cultural norms, mitigation efforts, and health infrastructure. Here we propose that national differences in COVID19 impact could be partially explained by the different national policies respect to Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG) childhood vaccination.

BCG vaccination has been reported to offer broad protection to respiratory infections. We compared large number of countries BCG vaccination policies with the morbidity and mortality for COVID-19. We found that countries without universal policies of BCG vaccination (Italy, Nederland, USA) have been more severely affected compared to countries with universal and long-standing BCG policies. Countries that have a late start of universal BCG policy (Iran, 1984) had high mortality, consistent with the idea that BCG protects the vaccinated elderly population. We also found that BCG vaccination also reduced the number of reported COVID-19 cases in a country.

The combination of reduced morbidity and mortality makes BCG vaccination a potential new tool in the fight against COVID-19.
Fascinating! :eek:
 
If you are referring to the sore arm then no.

It could just be they injected in a spot that hurts you more.

If you had a fever and flu like symptoms then maybe yes. Cos that is systemic.

I had no fever but tired with body aches.
 
Need your opinion. I get my flu shot every year. Some years the side effects are very mild. A slightly sore arm for a couple of days and nothing else.

This year I felt like crap for 3 days and my arm ached for almost 5 days.

Does the latter imply a better immune response?

Your immune system is weaker assuming same dosage. It's taking longer to clear away the inactivated virus.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-affect-some-immune-responses-flu-vaccination
 
KNN many cried in school during the bcg including my uncle KNN they burned the needle with candles rast time before injecting KNN after that need to measure the sore size gai KNN bcg nowadays should be different right ? KNN
 
KNN many cried in school during the bcg including my uncle KNN they burned the needle with candles rast time before injecting KNN after that need to measure the sore size gai KNN bcg nowadays should be different right ? KNN
KNN that time bcg was also an indication that 1 is dai kor zai/loi lo KNN
 
Yeah then maybe there was a better immune response.

Worst is to have totally no pain no nothing.

Great that is what I thought! My immune system is in top shape this year thanks to my daily intake of active manuka! :roflmao:
 
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