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Confrontational Politics, Chee, Chiam, Low & the PAP

scroobal

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With the recent spate of letters on the issue of confrontational politics, I could not help notice that the PAP including its shortlisted candidate Joshua Selvakumar implying violence and mayhem which is one end of the scale, albeit the extreme end.

Singaporeans are yearning for confrontation on issues and MPs that are prepared to confront the Ministers on policies that are out of touch with the electrorate, policies that are obviously out of whack and more deeper issues such as nepotism, selective accountability, lack of transparency and burying of national issues such as consistent pattern of wrong investments involving Singapore's sovereign funds are few and far between

As PAP MPs with exception of a tiny few and on exceptional occasions cannot be expected to carry this role in view of the whip and party affiliation, it falls on others to do so.

The issue is indeed the PAP and its obstinacy in not allowing a free and democratic Westminster to exist and evolve with the times.

Chiam and Low are lukewarm at best. Chiam's health is a factor but Low's reasons for his performance is pretty much a blur to most layman. Steve Chia when he was an NCMP and Sylvia have done well when given the opportunity. Both JBJ and Lee Siew Choh underperformed during their time in parliament and I guess their forte lay with assaulting the ramparts of political oppression.

Chee who many concurred as the best find when he first appeared on the political scene still is not able to figure out the basic equation of politics - address the voters and not your opponents ( the PAP in this case). Together with a merry band of young, impressionable and highly malleable small band they march to the NGO beat.

Lesser lights like James Gomez prefer to follow in his father's footsteps of the one-eyed leading the blind, the ignorant and the gullible.

Where then is the light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps the death of the old man will allow nation building to recommence when it faltered after the heady days of October 1981 and the short spring of 1991. Every 10 year I suppose and the next one is around the corner.
 
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Rule of MOB

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Is it much much better to have our own Red Shirt / Yellow Shirt / Green Shirt armies fighting the White Shirt Scums. I would love it and love it very much forever. :biggrin:
 

kingrant

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Chee is too much of a loose or misguided cannon. I know I'm going to earn the wrath of his sympathisers here. Sadly so. He has a good head on his shoulders, and there is thus no reason for him not to play his cards better than chiam and Low.

The brutal truth is that Chee and his SDP have not taken the issues that are simmering now by the horns in the way the people see these issues. Look at the things he has taken on: hunger strikes, defamation suits, street protests which cast him as a troublemaker. Compare them with the issues the common man is facing: HDB prices, CPF withdrawal age, problems with the flood of new immigrants, displacement of locals in jobs, overcrowding etc. Surely he could have come up with what Hazel phoa did or what Leong Sze Hian has done to dismantle Mah's arguments and stats. Instead, he busied himself with issues that seemed too high-brow and abstract, and worse, extreme. Singaporeans are not yet used to extreme politics; they want a middle ground. They still want the PAP as govt; but they also want a good strong Opposition. Chee's aim is to totally depose the PAP but I think the people are not yet prepared to seize the unknown. So he has to be mindful and to be patient, and show himself with achievements that will resonate with the people.

As long as Chee's head remains in the clouds with highly intellectual battles while the ground simmers with mundane problems, and he doesnt connect, he will never see himself succeed. It's a real pity. I hate to say it, but there's where the Old Man has succeeded - he chose the right issues where the mass support is, eschewed the idealistic, sentimentalistic and philosophical. That was why Marshall lost and he won, and kept winning. He knew how to play the game.


Chee who many concurred as the best find when he first appeared on the political scene still is not able to figure out the basic equation of politics - address the voters and not your opponents ( the PAP in this case). Together with a merry band of young, impressionable and highly malleable small band they march to the NGO beat.
 

elephanto

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From the beginning of this forum & I suspect in most current affairs forum not associated with the establishment, 3 loose groups exist:

(a) Throw out PAP immediately, down & out with PAP e.g. are Chaopappyppodle, ahleebabathief ... you also get feel their venom & rage ... if they do not start insulting & directing their anger at others who do not share their intensity, their stand is even worthy of sympathy

(b) Middle of the road people - fair minded & ideals-inclined. Acknowledge PAP for its credits & equally critical of PAP for its debits. Yearning & urging for a credible Opposition to emerge, gain experience with a view to be a ready alternative govt. Hoping that PAP can be checked by loyal Opposition & correct/reform where possible. Is this position untenable & unrealistic ? Kingrant's views seem to fit in this category. Myself too.

(c) the partisans - whether SDP, WP, PAP diehards & supporters.
PAP supporters are porlumpars, pappy poodles, internet brigadiers etc
SDP supporters, anti-WPs, anti-SDP, anti-NSP and all the squabbling elements within opposition.

In the fringe are weirdos who think since Chee & Chiam do not amount to an effective opposition, therefore they are classified as 'Parrot,Echo,Praise' pseudo Opposition, so these people would rather support PAP. e.g. Chau Ve Nist.

In the 21st century, there are already 2 GEs. As the profile of electorate gets younger with more IT savvy bend & advent of new media growing more pervasive year by year, yet ..... no breakthrough beyond the usual 2 Opposition member & PAP totally dominant returned in our 1st-past-the-post system. The only otherwise academic statistic is whether it is 70% or 66.6%.

Against the establishment obstacles like GRC / election goodies / upgrading carrots / short campaigning tactics etc, maybe little can change.

But in so far as the will of the people ?

And so the negative characterisation called 'Sinkie Psyche' - cowardly behaviour, subsevient mindset etc

Leongsam, tonychat even bros here would depreciate ourselves with this derogatory term - sinkie.

Is this just the contemptible rantings of a vocal majority, why despite all the kpkb & anger/rage against PAP that we witnessed daily here, PAP is elected whether by default or by choice & more significantly, no Opp elected other than Low & Chiam in the new millenium ?

Oh well, once again the usual suspects would start to put the blame on the cowardly 66.66% ....

Will the coming Elections be any different from the last 2 in 2001 & 2006 ?
If so, then surely all the hopes, aspirations & discussions here for a better political scene will be in vain ...... again...
 

Sideswipe

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no breakthrough beyond the usual 2 Opposition member & PAP totally dominant returned in our 1st-past-the-post system. The only otherwise academic statistic is whether it is 70% or 66.6%.

Will the coming Elections be any different from the last 2 in 2001 & 2006 ?
If so, then surely all the hopes, aspirations & discussions here for a better political scene will be in vain ...... again...


mathematical averages of 1st-past-the-post system suggest that
35% nationwide votes will win 50% of parliament
50% votes - 80% of parliament
60% votes - 95% of parliament

Our oppositions must win at least 12% of votes more to have a significant breakthrough this GE. ( win 10+ seats )

Is that possible?
 

elephanto

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Another well-written call for a political tsunami to be triggered at the next GE:-
http://www.singsupplies.com/showthread.php?t=57472

Seriously as they all say, with anger at PAP at an ALL-TIME HIGH, the results of the next GE will be most telling on the post-65 electorate rather than the 7-year-old Lee Hsien Loong Government.

I am going to vote opposition, any opposition just to make a point.
 
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