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Clown Princess: If Kena Heart Attack, U DIE If U Go to TTSH & Alexandra Hosp!

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Righting a wrong comes from the heart
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Since young, I have always been upset with myself if I knew something was wrong and I could put it right but didn't.
Hence, I often find myself on 'quests' or 'missions', 'jousting with windmills'. Sometimes, I criticise my friends, saying, perhaps impatiently, 'you have lost the fire in your belly'.
If there is something wrong that we know of, I believe we should try to set it right whether or not it is our business to do so. Not to do so implies we condone the wrong and hence we would be guilty of committing the wrong too.
The concept of 'guilty by omission' is not one that is held commonly here. But it is enshrined in the legal systems of the United States and France.
You can be sued in the US if you do not clear the ice on the sidewalks around your home and as a result, someone slips and fractures a bone. You did not cause the fracture but you would be guilty by virtue of having omitted to clear the ice.
Let me give a concrete example closer to home of the consequences of such omission: A few months ago, a colleague's mother suffered a heart attack and was rushed by ambulance to Tan Tock Seng Hospital at night.
Horror of horrors, there was no cardiologist there. My friend desperately called one of several private cardiologists she knew personally, being a doctor herself. But what could a layman have done in similar circumstances? Nothing.
Neither Alexandra Hospital nor Tan Tock Seng outside of office hours has the resources to handle acute myocardial infarctions (AMI) or heart attacks.
Thus, they are not in a position to give patients the best chance of surviving heart attacks. Of those who survive, the chance of impaired function of the heart would be higher than for patients treated in hospitals where cardiologists and facilities were available as in the National Heart Centre (NHC) or National University Hospital (NUH).
These problems are beyond my areas of responsibility. But I am a doctor; I know what is wrong; and I know what needs to be done. I would have been guilty by omission if I had not tried to solve this problem.
So I engaged the ambulances which come under the Singapore Civil Defence Force, NHC, NUH and got them all to agree that when their ambulances pick up patients with AMI, they would bypass Alexandra and Tan Tock Seng and go only to NUH or NHC.
I do not believe homo sapiens are necessarily at the top of the evolutionary pyramid. But it is indisputable that we are different from other species in several ways.
Scientists once assured us that we were the only species that possessed language. Then research with gorillas and chimpanzees showed that they too could master sign language. Another distinguishing trait of humans was thought to be our capacity to use tools. But then we learnt otters could smash molluscs with rocks and apes could strip the leaves from twigs to use them to fish for termites.
The one feature that definitely does separate us from other animals is our highly developed sense of morality. We seem to have a primal understanding of good and evil, right and wrong, of what it means to suffer not only our own pain but also the pain of others.
Morality may be a hard concept to grasp, but we acquire it fast. A preschooler, for instance, may learn that it is not all right to eat in class because a teacher says so. If the rule is lifted, the child will happily eat in class. But if the same teacher says it is okay to push another student off a chair, the child would hesitate. He will think: 'No, the teacher should not say that.'
In both cases, somebody would have taught the child the rules, but the rule against pushing has a stickiness about it. It resists coming unstuck even if someone in authority countenances its breach. That is the difference between a moral imperative and mere social convention. Some psychologists like Michael Schulman believe children can innately intuit the difference.
Of course, the child might on occasion hit some other child and won't feel particularly bad about it - unless, of course, he is caught. The same is true of people who steal or despots who slaughter their people.
Marc Hauser, professor of psychology at Harvard University, has written: 'Moral judgment is pretty consistent from person to person - that is, we all know what is right and what is wrong. Moral behaviour, however, is scattered all over the chart.'
The rules we know, even the ones we intuit, are by no means the rules we follow. There are people who have no moral instinct - psychopaths and anti-social people who commit crimes and seem incapable of being reformed. They stand out precisely because their behaviour is so bizarre.
Of the rules that we do follow, it is easier for most people to follow rules that require passively not doing anything wrong. Actively doing something right, especially if that something does not fall within our area of responsibility, is uncommon.
It is good for any country to have an active citizenry. And that is precisely why the concept of 'guilt by omission' should be a part of our ethos.
As Singapore climbs the economic ladder, its need for people who would feel guilty if they omitted to do something right - not merely passively do no wrong - will increase.
A rich middle-class society encircled by the material pleasures of life, happily oblivious of social inequities and the suffering of the less fortunate among us, will never become a civil or gracious society.
On the other hand, a country with little financial reserves, a middle class that is not wealthy but is socially active, that tries to lift the lowest common denominator in that society, is one that would be heading in the right direction.
Some things cannot be legislated but must come spontaneously from the heart. The desires to right wrongs and help others are examples.
Singapore is a great place for social experiments to improve both the country and the individual.
The writer is director of the National Neuroscience Institute.
 

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Singapore is a culture of greed society.U die is your business.No one cares unless your pocket is directly hit !
 

loeggusder

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SHe should particpate in this forum and know that all "moral" persuasions/beliefs are thrown out by a new species of low life Homo Sapiens
 

loeggusder

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Singapore is a culture of greed society.U die is your business.No one cares unless your pocket is directly hit !

She should realize that her notion of positive moral and societal attributes are based on system of Christian Charity. This system still lives long as a kind background value system in the west long after Christianity has become irrelevant.

The Asian systems while emphasising collectiveness, never imbued the minions with any real sense of collectiveness. It was always imposed from the top.

When some societies are 'squeezed' they gel, but others just try to pop out, individually
 

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Sadly only a person within the family can do something that is obvious and considered common sense. Its a sad reflection of the state.
 

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>But do ordinary Peasants have the power to tell the ambulance drivers which hospital to go?

Righting a wrong comes from the heart
</TR><!-- headline one : end --><TR>A society that is blind to the suffering of the less fortunate will never be gracious </TR><!-- Author --><TR><TD class="padlrt8 georgia11 darkgrey bold" colSpan=2>By Lee Wei Ling
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Since young, I have always been upset with myself if I knew something was wrong and I could put it right but didn't.
Hence, I often find myself on 'quests' or 'missions', 'jousting with windmills'. Sometimes, I criticise my friends, saying, perhaps impatiently, 'you have lost the fire in your belly'.
If there is something wrong that we know of, I believe we should try to set it right whether or not it is our business to do so. Not to do so implies we condone the wrong and hence we would be guilty of committing the wrong too.
The concept of 'guilty by omission' is not one that is held commonly here. But it is enshrined in the legal systems of the United States and France.
You can be sued in the US if you do not clear the ice on the sidewalks around your home and as a result, someone slips and fractures a bone. You did not cause the fracture but you would be guilty by virtue of having omitted to clear the ice.
Let me give a concrete example closer to home of the consequences of such omission: A few months ago, a colleague's mother suffered a heart attack and was rushed by ambulance to Tan Tock Seng Hospital at night.
Horror of horrors, there was no cardiologist there. My friend desperately called one of several private cardiologists she knew personally, being a doctor herself. But what could a layman have done in similar circumstances? Nothing.
Neither Alexandra Hospital nor Tan Tock Seng outside of office hours has the resources to handle acute myocardial infarctions (AMI) or heart attacks.
Thus, they are not in a position to give patients the best chance of surviving heart attacks. Of those who survive, the chance of impaired function of the heart would be higher than for patients treated in hospitals where cardiologists and facilities were available as in the National Heart Centre (NHC) or National University Hospital (NUH).
These problems are beyond my areas of responsibility. But I am a doctor; I know what is wrong; and I know what needs to be done. I would have been guilty by omission if I had not tried to solve this problem.
So I engaged the ambulances which come under the Singapore Civil Defence Force, NHC, NUH and got them all to agree that when their ambulances pick up patients with AMI, they would bypass Alexandra and Tan Tock Seng and go only to NUH or NHC.
I do not believe homo sapiens are necessarily at the top of the evolutionary pyramid. But it is indisputable that we are different from other species in several ways.
Scientists once assured us that we were the only species that possessed language. Then research with gorillas and chimpanzees showed that they too could master sign language. Another distinguishing trait of humans was thought to be our capacity to use tools. But then we learnt otters could smash molluscs with rocks and apes could strip the leaves from twigs to use them to fish for termites.
The one feature that definitely does separate us from other animals is our highly developed sense of morality. We seem to have a primal understanding of good and evil, right and wrong, of what it means to suffer not only our own pain but also the pain of others.
Morality may be a hard concept to grasp, but we acquire it fast. A preschooler, for instance, may learn that it is not all right to eat in class because a teacher says so. If the rule is lifted, the child will happily eat in class. But if the same teacher says it is okay to push another student off a chair, the child would hesitate. He will think: 'No, the teacher should not say that.'
In both cases, somebody would have taught the child the rules, but the rule against pushing has a stickiness about it. It resists coming unstuck even if someone in authority countenances its breach. That is the difference between a moral imperative and mere social convention. Some psychologists like Michael Schulman believe children can innately intuit the difference.
Of course, the child might on occasion hit some other child and won't feel particularly bad about it - unless, of course, he is caught. The same is true of people who steal or despots who slaughter their people.
Marc Hauser, professor of psychology at Harvard University, has written: 'Moral judgment is pretty consistent from person to person - that is, we all know what is right and what is wrong. Moral behaviour, however, is scattered all over the chart.'
The rules we know, even the ones we intuit, are by no means the rules we follow. There are people who have no moral instinct - psychopaths and anti-social people who commit crimes and seem incapable of being reformed. They stand out precisely because their behaviour is so bizarre.
Of the rules that we do follow, it is easier for most people to follow rules that require passively not doing anything wrong. Actively doing something right, especially if that something does not fall within our area of responsibility, is uncommon.
It is good for any country to have an active citizenry. And that is precisely why the concept of 'guilt by omission' should be a part of our ethos.
As Singapore climbs the economic ladder, its need for people who would feel guilty if they omitted to do something right - not merely passively do no wrong - will increase.
A rich middle-class society encircled by the material pleasures of life, happily oblivious of social inequities and the suffering of the less fortunate among us, will never become a civil or gracious society.
On the other hand, a country with little financial reserves, a middle class that is not wealthy but is socially active, that tries to lift the lowest common denominator in that society, is one that would be heading in the right direction.
Some things cannot be legislated but must come spontaneously from the heart. The desires to right wrongs and help others are examples.
Singapore is a great place for social experiments to improve both the country and the individual.
The writer is director of the National Neuroscience Institute.
Kind heart Dr Lee W L should not watse her time writing rubbish.

Instead,she can be more productive to launch an immediate action,its is to ruight the many wrongs in red dot.

She wants the list,no problem,all the ALTERNATIVE MEDIA ARE PAINTING WITH ALL THE WRONGS.

It is good that after she declared that the LEE clan which has billions collectively,a calculation fr their declared income and earned profit,has absolutley no intention to spend the billions,her brother has donated slightly less than 1 peanut (S$500,000.00)for charity.

She should read the bible,one is sincere only if he donates till it becomes extremly painful
 

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Reading the Shit Times on a Sunday morning,this article is a refreshing news!
Agree. Yesterday when Chua Mui Hoong wrote on solidarity I puked. They can't even help an NS. The judgement came out in same the papers yesterday.
 

batman1

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Agree. Yesterday when Chua Mui Hoong wrote on solidarity I puked. They can't even help an NS. The judgement came out in same the papers yesterday.

The ex-ISD chua sisters have to contribute weekly rubbish to justify their high salaries in SPH.
In this culture of greed red dot,there's very very very little 2nd chance
chance for the peasants unless u are connected to the right MIW like the case of TTDurai and minister for education !
 

myfoot123

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She seems to be quite vocal of late after her favourite gecko got her strokes. Have her family finally striken with guilt for her to publicly speak about life morality?
 

ahbengsong

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Lee wei ling said it right... if it is wrong, its our moral obligation to correct it within our means... straight to the point and brutally honest about singapore society... so for those who can't or won't do anything if they see a wrong, don't add to it by committing crime against others...

haha... this message goes to fugitive tong hyui koh.. may your soul rest in peace.. not...
 

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Quote:Horror of horrors, there was no cardiologist there. My friend desperately called one of several private cardiologists she knew personally, being a doctor herself. But what could a layman have done in similar circumstances? Nothing.
Neither Alexandra Hospital nor Tan Tock Seng outside of office hours has the resources to handle acute myocardial infarctions (AMI) or heart attacks. ............. unquote
This is pure nonsense and libellous. go to their website http://www.ttsh.com.sg/new/clinicalspecial/cardiology.php#specialists
. There are quite a few very senior cardiologists there with qualifications from all over the world and they are all trained to managed heart attacks. in fact quite a few visiting cardiologists there from private sector eg Mount Elizabeth, gleneagles etc. In fact I learnt from my friends in MOH they actually managed more heart attacks than National Heart Centre!!!!! This was audited according to Moh sources. Visited their website and saw a cardiology department with all facilities. Personal opinion and from alot of friends that TTSH cardiologists are in fact very good and competent. waiting time to see heart specialists there very long as too many referrals. commonsense would tell there is hidden agenda somewhere or she got her facts totally wrong . It is as good as saying National neuroscience institute is not qualified to handle stroke patients. All hospitals are qualified to handle heart attacks as common emergencies otherwise why have A&E ?????
 
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Quote:Horror of horrors, there was no cardiologist there. My friend desperately called one of several private cardiologists she knew personally, being a doctor herself. But what could a layman have done in similar circumstances? Nothing.
Neither Alexandra Hospital nor Tan Tock Seng outside of office hours has the resources to handle acute myocardial infarctions (AMI) or heart attacks. ............. unquote
This is pure nonsense and libellous. go to their website http://www.ttsh.com.sg/new/clinicalspecial/cardiology.php#specialists
. There are quite a few very senior cardiologists there with qualifications from all over the world and they are all trained to managed heart attacks. in fact quite a few visiting cardiologists there from private sector eg Mount Elizabeth, gleneagles etc. In fact I learnt from my friends in MOH they actually managed more heart attacks than National Heart Centre!!!!! This was audited according to Moh sources. Visited their website and saw a cardiology department with all facilities. Personal opinion and from alot of friends that TTSH cardiologists are in fact very good and competent. waiting time to see heart specialists there very long as too many referrals. commonsense would tell there is hidden agenda somewhere or she got her facts totally wrong . It is as good as saying National neuroscience institute is not qualified to handle stroke patients. All hospitals are qualified to handle heart attacks as common emergencies otherwise why have A&E ?????
But the SCDF has just changed its policy after the brave NNI director spoke up!

Surely that can't be true....

Please check up on your facts
 

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But do ordinary Peasants have the power to tell the ambulance drivers which hospital to go?

Righting a wrong comes from the heart
A society that is blind to the suffering of the less fortunate will never be gracious <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr></tr><!-- headline one : end --><tr></tr><!-- Author --><tr><td class="padlrt8 georgia11 darkgrey bold" colspan="2">By Lee Wei Ling
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->
Since young, I have always been upset with myself if I knew something was wrong and I could put it right but didn't.
Hence, I often find myself on 'quests' or 'missions', 'jousting with windmills'. Sometimes, I criticise my friends, saying, perhaps impatiently, 'you have lost the fire in your belly'.
If there is something wrong that we know of, I believe we should try to set it right whether or not it is our business to do so. Not to do so implies we condone the wrong and hence we would be guilty of committing the wrong too.
The concept of 'guilty by omission' is not one that is held commonly here. But it is enshrined in the legal systems of the United States and France.
You can be sued in the US if you do not clear the ice on the sidewalks around your home and as a result, someone slips and fractures a bone. You did not cause the fracture but you would be guilty by virtue of having omitted to clear the ice.
Let me give a concrete example closer to home of the consequences of such omission: A few months ago, a colleague's mother suffered a heart attack and was rushed by ambulance to Tan Tock Seng Hospital at night.
Horror of horrors, there was no cardiologist there. My friend desperately called one of several private cardiologists she knew personally, being a doctor herself. But what could a layman have done in similar circumstances? Nothing.
Neither Alexandra Hospital nor Tan Tock Seng outside of office hours has the resources to handle acute myocardial infarctions (AMI) or heart attacks.
Thus, they are not in a position to give patients the best chance of surviving heart attacks. Of those who survive, the chance of impaired function of the heart would be higher than for patients treated in hospitals where cardiologists and facilities were available as in the National Heart Centre (NHC) or National University Hospital (NUH).
These problems are beyond my areas of responsibility. But I am a doctor; I know what is wrong; and I know what needs to be done. I would have been guilty by omission if I had not tried to solve this problem.
So I engaged the ambulances which come under the Singapore Civil Defence Force, NHC, NUH and got them all to agree that when their ambulances pick up patients with AMI, they would bypass Alexandra and Tan Tock Seng and go only to NUH or NHC.
I do not believe homo sapiens are necessarily at the top of the evolutionary pyramid. But it is indisputable that we are different from other species in several ways.
Scientists once assured us that we were the only species that possessed language. Then research with gorillas and chimpanzees showed that they too could master sign language. Another distinguishing trait of humans was thought to be our capacity to use tools. But then we learnt otters could smash molluscs with rocks and apes could strip the leaves from twigs to use them to fish for termites.
The one feature that definitely does separate us from other animals is our highly developed sense of morality. We seem to have a primal understanding of good and evil, right and wrong, of what it means to suffer not only our own pain but also the pain of others.
Morality may be a hard concept to grasp, but we acquire it fast. A preschooler, for instance, may learn that it is not all right to eat in class because a teacher says so. If the rule is lifted, the child will happily eat in class. But if the same teacher says it is okay to push another student off a chair, the child would hesitate. He will think: 'No, the teacher should not say that.'
In both cases, somebody would have taught the child the rules, but the rule against pushing has a stickiness about it. It resists coming unstuck even if someone in authority countenances its breach. That is the difference between a moral imperative and mere social convention. Some psychologists like Michael Schulman believe children can innately intuit the difference.
Of course, the child might on occasion hit some other child and won't feel particularly bad about it - unless, of course, he is caught. The same is true of people who steal or despots who slaughter their people.
Marc Hauser, professor of psychology at Harvard University, has written: 'Moral judgment is pretty consistent from person to person - that is, we all know what is right and what is wrong. Moral behaviour, however, is scattered all over the chart.'
The rules we know, even the ones we intuit, are by no means the rules we follow. There are people who have no moral instinct - psychopaths and anti-social people who commit crimes and seem incapable of being reformed. They stand out precisely because their behaviour is so bizarre.
Of the rules that we do follow, it is easier for most people to follow rules that require passively not doing anything wrong. Actively doing something right, especially if that something does not fall within our area of responsibility, is uncommon.
It is good for any country to have an active citizenry. And that is precisely why the concept of 'guilt by omission' should be a part of our ethos.
As Singapore climbs the economic ladder, its need for people who would feel guilty if they omitted to do something right - not merely passively do no wrong - will increase.
A rich middle-class society encircled by the material pleasures of life, happily oblivious of social inequities and the suffering of the less fortunate among us, will never become a civil or gracious society.
On the other hand, a country with little financial reserves, a middle class that is not wealthy but is socially active, that tries to lift the lowest common denominator in that society, is one that would be heading in the right direction.
Some things cannot be legislated but must come spontaneously from the heart. The desires to right wrongs and help others are examples.
Singapore is a great place for social experiments to improve both the country and the individual.
The writer is director of the National Neuroscience Institute.

gnn, go ask her father to step down lah. talk so much.
 

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gong jiao wei (talk cock).

ms lee, let me ask you one question. your father work for the japanese miitary regime during japanese occupation era, tell me, is that ethical?
 

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The one feature that definitely does separate us from other animals is our highly developed sense of morality. We seem to have a primal understanding of good and evil, right and wrong, of what it means to suffer not only our own pain but also the pain of others.

I like you, Princess. Unfortunately, what you've mentioned above does not run in your family, with you, possibly the only exception................
 

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gong jiao wei (talk cock).

ms lee, let me ask you one question. your father work for the japanese miitary regime during japanese occupation era, tell me, is that ethical?

Hahahaha good one, she is a Frog in the well.
Only KPKB after her friend father's case.

She should denounce her father first for being a traitor and recover all the ill gotten profits generated during his 40 odd years of legalizing his corruption. Starting from the law firm her wife own that made huge profits from handling HDB's property transaction.
 

makapaaa

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She seems to be quite vocal of late after her favourite gecko got her strokes. Have her family finally striken with guilt for her to publicly speak about life morality?

The 154th has devoted a column for her every weekend. Preparing her to enter the political arena?
 

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Singapore is a great place for social experiments to improve both the country and the individual.

Singapore is indeed a great place for family members of ministers (who are the the highest paid in the world) and get the priviledge to conduct experiments on others.

When the social experiments go awry who will pay the price.?

Why does'nt she comment on social issues like the sale of Mini/Lehman Bonds, billions of losses by Temasek, families who cannot pay for utilities,school fees or breakfast for their children?

If indeed Alexandra and TTS (outside of office hours) does not have the resources to handle acute myocardial infarctions (AMI) or heart attacks, isn't the correct solution to put the situation right by beefing up its resources?

If Temasek can lose billions to prop up foreign institutions, why can't the world highest paid ministers put resources in both hospitals to correct the deficency.
 
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