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Christians force to embrace Hinduism

nitecrawllerr

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BOREPANGA, India: The family of Solomon Digal was summoned by neighbors to what serves as a public square in front of the village tea shop.

They were ordered to get on their knees and bow before the portrait of a Hindu preacher. They were told to turn over their Bibles, hymnals and the two brightly colored calendar images of Christ that hung on their wall. Then, Digal, 45, a Christian since childhood, was forced to watch his Hindu neighbors set the items on fire.

" 'Embrace Hinduism, and your house will not be demolished,' " Digal recalled being told on that Wednesday afternoon in September. " 'Otherwise, you will be killed, or you will be thrown out of the village.' "

India, the world's most populous democracy and officially a secular nation, is today haunted by a stark assault on one of its fundamental freedoms. Here in eastern Orissa State, riven by six weeks of religious clashes, Christian families like the Digals say they are being forced to abandon their faith in exchange for their safety.

The forced conversions come amid widening attacks on Christians here and in at least five other states across the country, as India prepares for national elections next spring.

The clash of faiths has cut a wide swath of panic and destruction through these once quiet hamlets fed by paddy fields and jackfruit trees. Here in Kandhamal, the district that has seen the greatest violence, more than 30 people have been killed, 3,000 homes burned and over 130 churches destroyed, including the tin-roofed Baptist prayer hall where the Digals worshiped. Today it is a heap of rubble on an empty field, where cows blithely graze.

Across this ghastly terrain lie the singed remains of m&d-and-thatch homes. Christian-owned businesses have been systematically attacked. Orange flags (orange is the sacred color of Hinduism) flutter triumphantly above the rooftops of houses and storefronts.

India is no stranger to religious violence between Christians, who make up about 2 percent of the population, and India's Hindu-majority of 1.1 billion people. But this most recent spasm is the most intense in years.

It was set off, people here say, by the killing on Aug. 23 of a charismatic Hindu preacher known as Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati, who for 40 years had rallied the area's people to choose Hinduism over Christianity.

The police have blamed Maoist guerrillas for the swami's killing. But Hindu radicals continue to hold Christians responsible.

In recent weeks, they have plastered these villages with gruesome posters of the swami's hacked corpse. "Who killed him?" the posters ask. "What is the solution?"

Behind the clashes are long-simmering tensions between equally impoverished groups: the Panas and Kandhas. Both original inhabitants of the land, the two groups for ages worshiped the same gods. Over the past several decades, the Panas for the most part became Christian, as Roman Catholic and Baptist missionaries arrived here more than 60 years ago, followed more recently by Pentecostals, who have proselytized more aggressively.

Meanwhile, the Kandhas, in part through the teachings of Swami Laxmanananda, embraced Hinduism. The men tied the sacred Hindu white thread around their torsos; their wives daubed their foreheads with bright red vermilion. Temples sprouted.

Hate has been fed by economic tensions as well, as the government has categorized each tribe differently and given them different privileges.

The Kandhas accused the Panas of cheating to obtain coveted quotas for government jobs. The Christian Panas, in turn, say their neighbors have become resentful as they have educated themselves and prospered.

Their grievances have erupted in sporadic clashes over the past 15 years, but they have exploded with a fury since the killing of Swami Laxmanananda.

Two nights after his death, a Hindu mob in the village of Nuagaon dragged a Catholic priest and a nun from their residence, tore off much of their clothing and paraded them through the streets.

The nun told the police that she had been raped by four men, a charge the police say was borne out by a medical examination. Yet no one was arrested in the case until five weeks later, after a storm of media coverage. Today, five men are under arrest in connection with inciting the riots. The police say they are trying to find the nun and bring her back here to identify her attackers.

Given a chance to explain the recent violence, Subash Chauhan, the state's highest-ranking leader of Bajrang Dal, a Hindu radical group, described much of it as "a spontaneous reaction."

He said in an interview that the nun had not been raped but had had regular consensual sex.

On Sunday evening, as much of Kandhamal remained under curfew, Chauhan sat in the hall of a Hindu school in the state capital, Bhubaneshwar, beneath a huge portrait of the swami. A state police officer was assigned to protect him round the clock. He cupped a trilling Blackberry in his hand.

Chauhan denied that his group was responsible for forced conversions and in turn accused Christian missionaries of luring villagers with incentives of schools and social services.

He was asked repeatedly whether Christians in Orissa should be left free to worship the god of their choice. "Why not?" he finally said, but he warned that it was unrealistic to expect the Kandhas to politely let their Pana enemies live among them as followers of Jesus.

"Who am I to give assurance?" he snapped. "Those who have exploited the Kandhas say they want to live together?"

Besides, he said, "they are Hindus by birth."

Hindu extremists have held ceremonies in the country's indigenous belt for the past several years intended to purge tribal communities of Christian influence.

It is impossible to know how many have been reconverted here, in the wake of the latest violence, though a three-day journey through the villages of Kandhamal turned up plenty of anecdotal evidence.

A few steps from where the nun had been attacked in Nuagaon, five men, their heads freshly shorn, emerged from a soggy tent in a relief camp for Christians fleeing their homes.

The men had also been summoned to a village meeting in late August, where hundreds of their neighbors stood with machetes in hand and issued a firm order: Get your heads shaved and bow down before our gods, or leave this place.

Trembling with fear, Daud Nayak, 56, submitted to a shaving, a Hindu sign of sacrifice. He drank, as instructed, a tumbler of diluted cow dung, considered to be purifying.

In the eyes of his neighbors, he reckoned, he became a Hindu.

In his heart, he said, he could not bear it.

All five men said they fled the next day with their families. They refuse to return.

In another village, Birachakka, a man named Balkrishna Digal and his son, Saroj, said they had been summoned to a similar meeting and told by Hindu leaders who came from nearby villages that they, too, would have to convert. In their case, the ceremony was deferred because of rumors of Christian-Hindu clashes nearby.

For the time being, the family had placed an orange flag on their m&d home. Their Hindu neighbors promised to protect them.

Here in Borepanga, the family of Solomon Digal was not so lucky. Shortly after they recounted their Sept. 10 Hindu conversion story to a reporter in the dark of night, the Digals were again summoned by their neighbors. They were scolded and fined 501 rupees, or about $12, a pinching sum here.

The next morning, calmly clearing his cauliflower field, Lisura Paricha, one of the Hindu men who had summoned the Digals, confirmed that they had been penalized. Their crime, he said, was to talk to outsiders.


Too familiar stories.
 

TeeKee

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" 'Embrace Hinduism, and your house will not be demolished,' " Digal recalled being told on that Wednesday afternoon in September. " 'Otherwise, you will be killed, or you will be thrown out of the village.' "

Wah like that also can? force people to believe in the devils.....

like dat where got sincere? devils standards so low one har? chin chai anyone can accept one har? LOL!!!

SATAN LI HOR GAO KAN!
 

eeoror88

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Wah like that also can? force people to believe in the devils.....

like dat where got sincere? devils standards so low one har? chin chai anyone can accept one har? LOL!!!

SATAN LI HOR GAO KAN!

Goat and Pasta also kena ??:eek:
 

drifter

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Wah like that also can? force people to believe in the devils.....

like dat where got sincere? devils standards so low one har? chin chai anyone can accept one har? LOL!!!

SATAN LI HOR GAO KAN!

i thought christains also do that ? going door to door and preach ? also tell people if you dont believe in jesus , you go to hell ...like that not force meh ? long haired man is no different from the cults ...:wink:. the only thing different is they know how to cover their own ass and talk bad about other religions...no wonder kana hammer to the cross ...:biggrin:. serve him right :wink:
 

TeeKee

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i thought christains also do that ? going door to door and preach ? also tell people if you dont believe in jesus , you go to hell ...like that not force meh ? long haired man is no different from the cults ...:wink:. the only thing different is they know how to cover their own ass and talk bad about other religions...no wonder kana hammer to the cross ...:biggrin:. serve him right :wink:

actually saying going to hell is already an understatement. how many door to door Christians told you in your face to go to hell? not many i suppose? hehe...

the real hell is not really an enjoyable place...lol..

i am preparing to go to hell, do you want to join me? lol...
 

drifter

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actually saying going to hell is already an understatement. how many door to door Christians told you in your face to go to hell? not many i suppose? hehe...


the real hell is not really an enjoyable place...lol..

i am preparing to go to hell, do you want to join me? lol...


not many christians do that means there is ? :biggrin:

how you know hell is not an enjoyable place ? you been there ? :biggrin:

there is no hell ..how to join you ? are you trying to play god again ? si buay sianzzzzz leh ..:biggrin:
 

nitecrawllerr

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INDIA
Anti-Christian violence getting worse
Since 24 August when the pogrom began 59 Christians have been killed, 18,000 injured, 177 churches destroyed or damaged, 4,300 homes set on fire, and 13 schools and colleges laid waste.

New Delhi (AsiaNews) – From 24 August to 29 September a violent anti-Christian campaign has killed 59 Christians, destroyed or damaged 177 churches, set fire to 4,300 homes, laid waste 13 schools and colleges, created 50,000 refugees and injured 18,000 people. Catholic activist and All India Christian Chairman Council John Dayal provided AsiaNews with the data.
The pogrom broke out first in Orissa state after the death of radical Hindu leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati and then spread to other Indian states.

Here are figures per state provided by the All India Christian Council:

ORISSA

14 districts affected; 300 villages destroyed; 4,300 houses burnt; 50,000 homeless; 57 people murdered; 10 Fathers/Pastors/nuns injured; 2 women gang-raped; 18,000 men, women and children injured; 149 churches as well as 13 schools and colleges destroyed.

KARNATAKA

4 districts devastated; 19 churches attacked; 20 nuns and women injured.

KERALA

3 churches damaged.

MADHYA PRADESH

4 churches damaged.

DELHI

1 church destroyed; attempts made against 4 other.

TAMAIL NADU

1 church attacked.

UTTAR PRADESH

Two people, an old priest and employee, murdered.

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13350
 

DIVISION1

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Religion should be a personal journey towards spirituality where a congregation with fellow believers should be used as an opportunity to share experiences and not an excuse to exert group coercion against other believers of different religious denominations. Final Judgement of Karma of a person is an individual affair and group action does not provide positive nor negative spillover effects into individuall lifetime Karma P&L accounts.
 

drifter

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INDIA
Anti-Christian violence getting worse
Since 24 August when the pogrom began 59 Christians have been killed, 18,000 injured, 177 churches destroyed or damaged, 4,300 homes set on fire, and 13 schools and colleges laid waste.

New Delhi (AsiaNews) – From 24 August to 29 September a violent anti-Christian campaign has killed 59 Christians, destroyed or damaged 177 churches, set fire to 4,300 homes, laid waste 13 schools and colleges, created 50,000 refugees and injured 18,000 people. Catholic activist and All India Christian Chairman Council John Dayal provided AsiaNews with the data.
The pogrom broke out first in Orissa state after the death of radical Hindu leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati and then spread to other Indian states.

Here are figures per state provided by the All India Christian Council:

ORISSA

14 districts affected; 300 villages destroyed; 4,300 houses burnt; 50,000 homeless; 57 people murdered; 10 Fathers/Pastors/nuns injured; 2 women gang-raped; 18,000 men, women and children injured; 149 churches as well as 13 schools and colleges destroyed.

KARNATAKA

4 districts devastated; 19 churches attacked; 20 nuns and women injured.

KERALA

3 churches damaged.

MADHYA PRADESH

4 churches damaged.

DELHI

1 church destroyed; attempts made against 4 other.

TAMAIL NADU

1 church attacked.

UTTAR PRADESH

Two people, an old priest and employee, murdered.

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13350


thanks god!!!! :biggrin:
 
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