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Chitchat Chink's submarines so noisy Japanese Navy caught them spying in Senkaku Islands!

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Is China’s nuclear attack submarine too easy to detect?

Military experts say it may not be as quiet as it should be after Japanese navy discovered vessel while submerged near disputed Diaoyu Islands

After a Chinese nuclear attack submarine was discovered by the Japanese navy while submerged near disputed islands in the East China Sea, military experts say it could be too easy to detect.

The PLA Navy’s 110-metre Shang-class submarine surfaced in international waters with a Chinese flag on its mast on January 12 after it was followed by the Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force for two days.

Some military experts believe the vessel was forced to surface, but others say there is not enough information to back up that theory.

China’s defence ministry has not responded to inquiries from the South China Morning Post regarding the incident.

What is known is that the submarine entered the contiguous zone less than 24 nautical miles from the contested Diaoyu Islands, which are known as the Senkakus in Japan.

Relations between China and Japan have long been tense because of historical issues and their territorial disputes over the tiny, uninhabited archipelago – which lies between Taiwan and the southern Japanese island of Okinawa – that is controlled by Japan but also claimed by China.

It was the first time a Chinese navy submarine had come so close to the islands, leading to speculation that it was an apparent move by China to demonstrate its sovereignty claim.

But the early and long exposure of its underwater trajectory, according to military experts, suggests the vessel is not as quiet as it should be. Japan’s defence ministry said anti-submarine ships and planes had been tracking the Chinese submarine since January 10.

China’s nuclear attack submarine has been in service since 2006, carrying out missions in the Indian Ocean and Western Pacific. Two of the submarines, type 093, were built in the 2000s, and at least two more – the upgraded type 093A – were commissioned in 2016, according to a report to the US Congress in 2017.

Japan did not say whether the submarine spotted near its waters was one of the earlier vessels or the upgrade, but experts say it was the newer type. That submarine is believed to have a vertical launch system for anti-ship YJ-18 cruise missiles, and was expected to be on par with the United States’ Los Angeles-class submarines – or at least much quieter than its notoriously noisy predecessor, the type 091 Han-class.

“This is such a shame for the navy,” said a Beijing-based military source, who requested anonymity, adding that the vessel was detected because it was “too noisy”.

The incident has also shown the strong anti-submarine capabilities of Japan, which has the technological backing of the US military, according to military commentator Zhou Chenming in Beijing.

“It’s not so bad that they’ve been exposed, it could push the Chinese to work harder on making the submarines quieter,” Zhou said. “As a strong military power China should be confident enough not to cover up its weaknesses and failures.”

It is also unusual that a nuclear submarine – which could stay underwater for months – surfaced in front of another navy, given that they usually strive to stay unseen and undetected.

“Once a submarine has been exposed and its unique acoustics have been recorded, it puts them at a great disadvantage,” said Li Jie, a researcher at the Naval Military Studies Research Institute in Beijing.
 
Fucked up chink technology.
 
The Japs should have practice dropping depth charges & see how the sub respond..
 
the noise was from flushing of squat toilets with doors wide open.
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I guess when the sub crew started glowing in the dark from radiation leaks in their "advanced" nuke power plant, they decided to surface?
 
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Wrong! That incident was PLA deliberately fooled and humiliated Japs with their new quiet sub and celebrated victory, was posted here on sammyboy.

Today PLA sub is world' # 1 quiet. Their engine and propulsion is top technology above all. Their diesel engines all converted to new AIP nuke reactor 20 tons, noise level already below normal ocean background noise, no sub can compare. They also have no-shaft truster and full electric drive. No propeller shaft how to have noise?

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/钓鱼岛-diaoyutai-yesterday-pla-fleet-sub-humbled-humiliated-japs-navy.249942/


TS made a fool of himself desperately
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Japs sonar belt and anti-sub planes can no longer hear PLA subs from now. Japs are sleepless now. PLA subs, now only Russia can beat, but not for too much longer.







Currently in use to fuck Japs @钓鱼台 Mass Production model:


PLA's real killer silent sub propulsion is this: 100Knots Absolutely NO MOVING MECHANICAL PARTS.


The latest update is here:

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-01-29/doc-ifyqzcxh7575706.shtml

中国最强核潜艇在地图上画了个圈 日本海自不消停了
中国最强核潜艇在地图上画了个圈 日本海自不消停了

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  作者署名:无名高地  

  在1月上旬的日本《产经新闻》上,有前日本海上自卫队的潜艇艇长投书,表达了对中国093B型核潜艇高挂红旗,通过周边海域的忧虑。他认为“这意味着日本原有反潜体系的崩坏和全新反潜战术的构建,显得迫在眉睫”。无独有偶,1月28日,日本的外相就当面对中国方面表示,对中国093B型核潜艇在周边通过时事态的抗议。只不过,日本人再怎么担心和抗议都没有用,这次日本海上自卫队拍摄到093B高挂红旗,迎着风浪的画面,证明了未来中国核潜艇将会进行更多的远海训练。同时,日本海上自卫队能够侦测到他们的机会将会越来越少。

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推断的093B核潜艇这次绕圈任务
  中国海军的093B型攻击核潜艇这次出航训练的轨迹,可以推断为,首先伴随辽宁号航空母舰通过海峡进入到中国南部海区展开训练;随后在辽宁号航母战斗群通过海峡返回时,093B执行绕岛巡航任务,最后通过西太平洋返回中国东部海区。而这趟日本海自出动了不止4艘护卫舰和无法统计架次的P-3C反潜机投入搜索跟踪业务,甚至还出动了国产化的P-1反潜机,可谓是真不消停。

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迎着风浪 展现红旗
  093B型核潜艇可以说是中国现役最先进的核潜艇,其改进让美国海军认定了这型潜艇在静音性能上已经具备了跟美军现役主力核潜艇的同等水平。根据美国《国际利益》网站在2016年的6月的报道称,美国新安全中心国防战略与评估项目主管杰里·亨德里克斯就认为093B的性能尽管赶不上“海狼”级和“弗吉尼亚”级,可已经超越了美军“洛杉矶”级改进型攻击核潜艇。更低的噪音,这意味着在水声复杂的大洋条件下,反潜战进行的难度就更大。

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中国潜艇静音技术提升 有目共睹
  一般来说,大洋海底背景噪音的平均水平在90dB,美国人之前评定中国的901型核潜艇和094型战略核潜艇,基本都在100dB以上,所以就有了“只要中国核潜艇一出动,大洋对面的都知道了”的调侃说法。可093B这次的远海巡航意味着,中国核潜艇来的静音能力实质提升。毕竟日本海上自卫队是一直到了宫古附近才侦测到093B的活动,而不是全程掌握动向。而且这次中国采取的绕岛巡航的路线,给了未来一个全新的远海作战思路:对于航程几乎无限的核潜艇,多跑点路绕到更广阔的西太海域,无疑将会拥有更广阔的空间。而不是仅仅局限于两、三个海峡隘口。

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日本海自这回可真消停不了了
  093B型核潜艇这次上浮通过航行,只不过是一次态度展示,以前我们用航母、轰炸机进行过绕岛巡航,而核潜艇则是首次被观测到,这也意味着中国海军的对区域威慑力进一步提升。未来在095型攻击核潜艇服役后,中国可以有更多更静音的潜艇前出到西太去伏击可能到来的航母战斗群,这才是日本海自未来要担心的问题。原有的岛链防御已经被破解,未来如何当好“第一反潜大队”才是关键所在。

  推荐阅读:刚刚,印度三哥重磅宣布一消息,力挺中国!美国佬看后。。。。 查看详情请搜索微信公众号:sinamilnews

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随着航母的训练增加 未来核潜艇的训练也会越来越密集
 
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http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-01-29/doc-ifyqzcxh7695753.shtml

原来中国也有如此优秀核潜艇:美媒称将颠覆美国认知
原来中国也有如此优秀核潜艇:美媒称将颠覆美国认知

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  作者署名:刘剑锋谈兵

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093级核潜艇
  近期中国海军潜艇现身钓鱼岛的图片在网上迅速流传开来,图片中一艘疑似093B核潜艇浮出水面并悬挂中国国旗,我军这一举动让很多国人感到非常提气,确实随着近年来中国海军的飞速发展,中国完全有能力在亚洲站稳海军老大的位置,出入钓鱼岛更是轻而易举的事情,不过有网友质疑时至今日我军使用093B核潜艇虽然在降噪上有了较大的提升,但实际上仍属一款大噪音潜艇,并且从其火力配置上来看也并不算十分强悍,这么一款潜艇真的能对日本形成威慑力吗?

  其实这点大家确实担忧过多了,093B应对日本这样的国家来说还是较为轻松,形成威慑力能是十分简单的事情,但要注意这里针对的也只是像日本这样的国家,对于美俄这样的世界一流海军来说我们想要用该型潜艇与之一较高下还是很有难度的,毕竟对方的潜艇比我还要安静,探测能力也比我们更强,可面对这一差距我们有办法解决吗?别说我们还真有办法解决,解决的唯一途径就是比它更强。

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俄罗斯北风之神级核潜艇
  早在2007年加拿大《汉和情势通报》就曾报道,中国最新一代核潜艇096已设计完毕,下一步将进入建造阶段,关于这则消息当时并没有得到大家关注,毕竟当时美俄认为中国虽然有能力设计,但并无建造的能力。事实直到2012年才有消息透露出中国开始着手建造该型潜艇,这已距离之前的设计过去了足足五年时间。不过从建造开我们似乎还算是顺利,在去年就有美国五角大楼专家称中国096以建造完毕,并以进入试航阶段,这就意味着我们距离装备该型潜艇又近了一步。

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无轴泵推进技术
  不过为何西方等世界大国如此关注中国的096,而096又具备何种出色性能呢?虽然目前还没有确切的官方数据,但从现有报道中我们可以发现降噪是096最重要的一个主题,由于前几代的我军核潜艇噪音极大,甚至在早期还曾出现过中国核潜艇刚离港便美澳反潜监听装置发现的尴尬,可见如果不解决噪音问题,中国在核潜艇威慑方面将始终成不了一款真正意义上的护国利器。有消息称,为了解决噪音问题,096表面采用了先进高效的消音瓦以及减震基座,当然最为最为重要的还是使用了主动降低噪音装置,这种技术将在一定程度上将噪音削减一大部分,此外由于新型潜艇使用了新一代的一体化压水式核子反应器以及无轴泵推技术也在一定程度上将动力噪音也下降了一个等级,总体噪音可能最低能达到95分贝,完全有能力与美国俄亥俄级,俄罗斯北风之神级核潜艇一较高下了。

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我军早期的092型核潜艇
  此外,由于096在吨位上很可能会达到万吨,这就意味着其武器装载量将大幅上升,其潜射核导弹数量大致在16-24枚之间,相比之前的092和094的12枚将有一定增幅,甚至会翻一倍,武器量的增加意味突防能力的间接增强,即便被拦下23枚,也会有最后1枚命中目标。总的来看一旦096正式入役将大幅缩减与美俄间的差距,甚至还会反超,届时中国将彻底坐实亚洲第一的宝座,走向深蓝也将不再是梦,难怪当初096被专家提出时就曾有美国媒体认为096的出现将彻底颠覆我们对中国的认知,美军再想压制中国将成为一件难事,想要威胁中国更是无从谈起了。
 
Wrong! That incident was PLA deliberately fooled and humiliated Japs with their new quiet sub and celebrated victory, was posted here on sammyboy.

Today PLA sub is world' # 1 quiet. Their engine and propulsion is top technology above all. Their diesel engines all converted to new AIP nuke reactor 20 tons, noise level already below normal ocean background noise, no sub can compare. They also have no-shaft truster and full electric drive. No propeller shaft how to have noise?

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/钓鱼岛-diaoyutai-yesterday-pla-fleet-sub-humbled-humiliated-japs-navy.249942/

TS made a fool of himself desperately
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put two tiongs together anywhere and you not only get noise but loud shrieking noises. very annoying.
 
There is absolutely Nothing to spy at Diao Yu Islands, they are just rocks belonging to China.

PLA fleet including sub went there to deliver a firm answer to Japs, to have them firmly believe that PLA sub can eat them alive and their billion dollar system now hears NOTHING.

The sub suddenly surface near Japs warships which were tricked to rush there expecting only Chinese surface ships. They got shocked to see PLA sub, and deliberately flying PRC flag. Then it dived again, and surfaced again and left. Japs systems deployed there heard nothing, and got caught pants down, all Chinese netizens are still celebrating this episode.

TS is a joker Moron!
 
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迎着风浪 展现红旗


This is to squeeze Japs navy by their balls, to alert them, Lim Peh down HERE now! You DEAF? Can not hear my sub huh? Fuck Off from here now! This is Lim Peh's territory, you come here I can torpedo your ass!

This is scary because a silent sub can not be detected, and it dives, it may fire a torpedo on your ass, from any angle, you can not see nor hear it, you are fucking dead meat. It can follow you home, like ghost! You can do nothing!

狗日本! 你干坏事太多现在遇到鬼啦! 鬼要跟着你回家呀! 鬼天天跟着你啊! 你要倒霉到家咯!
呵呵呵呵!哈哈哈哈!
 


It is about time for PLA to sink several US navy ship using submarines. They are not able to detect nor avoid. Give them the same ass fate as ROKS Cheonan. Sink them in SCS or any Pacific Ocean. Dotard want war then start it ASAP. USA will run out of coffins.
 
This was nothing but more than to test the Jap noise detection technology.

wanna go war with jap is easy sup sup suai.

Like that also can state the obvious.

Stupid darkskin shithole Burmese.

Fucked up chink technology.
 
Any subs that goes too near to the shore will be easily detected. For a nuclear submarine to maximize it advantage and avoid detection, it needs to submerge 400m and below. East China sea is too shallow for sub warfare especially nuclear submarine which is bigger than it conventional counterpart.

It seems pla sub purposely sail there to 'show face'
 
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Here showed world's only Chinese exclusively most quiet submarine technology, that no propeller shaft at all! The red huge ring itself is a magnetic drive and it magnetically FLOATS or HOLD or Mag-BEARING the white Pump Jet Drive. This is much alike how Chinese Maglev 高铁 Bullet Trains floats above their tracks and driven on top of track without touching it. It is the most silent way, no friction in between. No ball bearing required.

But this is not even the top quiet Chinese submarine drive, they have breakthrough in Magnetized Fluid Drive with Absolutely no Moving Parts, speed 100 Knots





http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-02-04/doc-ifyrhcqy2866716.shtml


马伟明首创无轴泵推 中国新核潜艇交付已成大洋黑洞
马伟明首创无轴泵推 中国新核潜艇交付已成大洋黑洞

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  如果谈及2017年,中国海军装备发展的话,大家可以谈及055型大驱与002号航母,那么第三项也许就是:国产无轴泵推核潜艇。这是2017年底时,央视节目中被公开谈及的内容,可惜并没有引起太多的注意,毕竟这个节目的主题并非潜艇,更重要的中,近年以来,好消息不断的,人们有点麻林了吧。

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报道
  也许没有多少人注意,但是这依然是一个好消息,中国潜艇技术又进步了!此前马明远院士在接受采访时,已经公开表示:中国潜艇将采用为“无轴泵喷推进”技术,没想这么快新款核潜艇交付了,据称新潜艇花了5年时间完成。

  国外新一代核潜艇已经普遍应用了泵推进技术,在这一领域谁都以为我们落后于美国,如今刚曝出消息,我们实际领先一小步,由马伟明院士首创无主轴泵推技术,在潜艇动力系统实现了全电推进。国外潜艇依然采用机械驱动轴驱动泵喷推进系统的方式,不仅存在“螺旋桨-轴系-艇体”耦合振动问题,而且占用了艇体内空间大,机械推进轴也影响内部的舱室布置。

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模型
  无轴泵喷推进器取消了机械传动部分,由发电机发电直接驱动无轴泵推器内部的电动机旋转,即可以降噪,又可节约艇体空间。现代潜艇一直强调“静音性”要求噪音越小越好,泵推进技术为目前新降噪技术之一,大约可降噪约十分之一,更可提高推进效率,达到更高航速。无轴泵喷推进将进一步将降噪音,让中国核潜艇成为真正的大洋黑洞。

  也许有人认为,才降噪十分之一,太低了吧?这属于不了解情况了,我军没有公开现役潜艇的噪音水平,但是从国外的研究资料看,中国潜艇噪音在水平100分贝左右,最高不超过110分贝,与国际先进水平的差距相当小。降低十分之一即达到90分贝左右,由于海洋背景噪音也就是90分贝的水平,等于潜艇噪音会被掩没于自然环境之中,与国外最先进的潜艇比无差距,这等于跨代式发展。

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国外的泵推不让人看的
  有人乐观的以为,报道中应用国产无轴泵推技术的核潜艇为095型,但是可能性不大,中国在技术发展上相当务实,对新技术上往往要进行大量验证,也许仅为093型的基础试验艇,只有成熟之后才能应用于下一代潜艇。

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这话太对了
  按以前的情况,某个型号的最后一艘才会成为试验艇,以验证下一代型号的关键技术,那么这也意味着,093型的生产已接近于结束,下一代的095型应已经开工了。我们不会想美国人一样,肓目在新一代型号上突击堆积新技术,尤其是没有验证过的技术。这么赶也许谈不上快速追赶先进,却是我们不断进步的原因所在:务实!(作者署名:麦田军事观察)

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http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-02-04/doc-ifyreyvz8901429.shtml

中国096核潜艇即将亮相?配24枚导弹可打击216目标
中国096核潜艇即将亮相?配24枚导弹可打击216目标

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从水下发射进行试验的巨浪-2导弹
  1月30日,中国《解放军报》针对五角大楼最新发布的《美国核力量概述》刊发文章,提议中国应增强可信可靠的核威慑和核反击能力,增强战略制衡能力。对此,俄罗斯卫星通讯社3日发表评论指出,最近一些年里,中国是唯一一个在增加核弹头数量的核大国——虽然是低限度的。另外,中国并正在研制更为猛烈的“巨浪-3”型导弹,且实力更为雄厚的可载24枚弹道导弹的096型核潜艇已完成设计,该艇比094载弹量多两倍。而专门生产核潜艇的渤海造船厂在最近几年时间里进行了扩建,可同时建造比之前数量更多的同类型舰船。

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不首先使用核武器政策亟需改变
  很明显,权威且代表中国军队喉舌的《解放军报》公开谈论改变中国的核政策,这说明此前只有民间呼吁的放弃或修改“不首先使用”核武器的原则,已经被军方基本接受。对于中国来说,这也许是没办法的事,因为美国已公开将中国列为战略竞争对手,并正在准备与中国进行全球竞争和战争做准备。在美国军事优势十分强大的情况下,中国别无选择,只能有重点有选择的进行某些重要领域的军力提升,但还要防止陷入与美国的军备竞赛之中。

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东风-5B/C仍是中国威慑力最强的导弹
  除了积极发展诸如歼-20战斗机、002和003国产航母、055万吨级驱逐舰、运-20运输机等具有战略意义的装备之外,中国感到最紧迫的,就是研发各类战略撒手锏,这包括轰-20战略轰炸机、东风-31A/AG战略核导弹、东风-31B陆基机动弹道导弹、东风-41陆基机动/铁路机动洲际弹道导弹、地井发射的东风-5B/C多弹头战略弹道导弹等。与此相配合的是,中国的核弹头数量和质量也要快速升级,虽然这需要增加专项开支,但是在技术上因为“神威·太湖之光”超级计算机能模拟核爆而不存在问题。

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卫星拍摄的中国核潜艇巨大的生产车间
  不过陆基弹道导弹有一个缺点就是很容易被对手侦察到,也很容易在第一轮打击中被摧毁,所以,中国特别重视战略核潜艇的研发。目前服役的艘094/A只携带12枚巨浪-2/2A潜射弹道导弹,但因为导弹射程和潜艇自身噪音值的问题,只能在海南岛的“战略堡垒”里巡逻而不能逼近美国。所以,最稳妥的办法就是发展新一代096战略核潜艇。096能携带24枚射程高达11000公里的巨浪-3潜射弹道导弹,每枚导弹也可配备6~9枚核弹头,这样一艘潜艇就能打击144~216个目标,对美国威胁相当大。

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远眺中国新型核潜艇
  当然,除了载具之外,中国目前当务之急也需要同时增产核弹头质量和数量。根据外媒的分析,中国目前只有大约250~350枚核弹头,不足美国的1/20,这就为在中国周边发生各种危机埋下了伏笔。因为美国自认为相对中国具有不对称核优势,美军可以在第一轮核打击中摧毁中国95%以上的核武器,剩余的漏网之鱼也会遭到美国三层反导系统的拦截而所剩无几,因此美国几乎不考虑中国的感受而对其为所欲为。在此情况下,中国必须在核弹头质量和效能上追赶美国,在不落入军备竞赛陷阱的前提下达到最大核威慑。

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即使在中国近海也能打击北美目标
  分析认为,如今美国已经成为泼妇了,不但要大幅升级核武器的质量,还要降低使用核武器的门槛,并且很明显都是奔着俄罗斯和中国而来的。在这种新的核局势下,如果中国继续墨守成规,在世界局势已发生巨变的时候还不及时调整已失去时效性的“不首先使用”核武器原则,那么,中国的未来将十分危险!所以,及时修改或调整这一不合时宜的核政策,有助于中国的和平崛起。现在,096型核潜艇已完成设计,新建造的核潜艇生产车间可同时生产4艘潜艇,在下一个10年里,中国还有什么理由不快马加鞭呢!(作者署名:军评陈光文)

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