Chinese DF-21 carrier killer

[longbow]

Was reading article about Chinese made DF-21 ballistic missile with 2000km range and speed of Mach 10. Apparently it is an aircraft carrier killer. Tracking is via GPS as well as Chinese military satellites.

This missile is response to US sending 2 carrier groups as a result of dispute with Taiwan. At that time Chinese backed down because they were no match for 2 carrier groups. But if the DF21 has capabilities as described, US would not dare risk carriers the next time around.

If true, it could very well render carrier groups ineffective.

However, i am sure US has the patriot equivalent that can intercept an incoming ballistic missile.

 

[Ramseth]

I don't recall any US aircraft carrier being sunk since the invention of aircraft carriers. The closest anyone got were the Japanese attacks on USS Lexington and USS Yorktown in the WW2 Battle of Midway. Some damage, but unsunk. Still could recover and fought back. If China can sink an US aircraft carrier, that'll be something.

 

[longbow]

That is true. But just keep reading a lot about this DF21 over the last few days. This DF21 can be equipped with nuclear warhead or 600kg explosive. They used similar missile to ram a satellite in space. Could be Pentagon trying to scare the US Government for more $$$.

As for Chinese ability to detect the carrier force - that should not be a problem if carrier was sent to guard Taiwan. The PLA main interest is Taiwan Straits and immediate coastal regions. And this is probably where they put most of their survelliance resource.

Would not be surprised if the Chinese has satellites permanently looking down at Taiwan Straits.

I don't recall any US aircraft carrier being sunk since the invention of aircraft carriers. The closest anyone got were the Japanese attacks on USS Lexington and USS Yorktown in the WW2 Battle of Midway. Some damage, but unsunk. Still could recover and fought back. If China can sink an US aircraft carrier, that'll be something.

 

[eatshitndie]

I don't recall any US aircraft carrier being sunk since the invention of aircraft carriers. The closest anyone got were the Japanese attacks on USS Lexington and USS Yorktown in the WW2 Battle of Midway. Some damage, but unsunk. Still could recover and fought back. If China can sink an US aircraft carrier, that'll be something.

not true. japanese torpedoes finished off the uss hornet (cv-8) in oct '42.

the uss wasp (cv-7) had to be left to sink in sep '42 after it was struck by japanese torpedoes.

uss princeton (cvl-23) - sunk in oct '44 (leyte gulf) after being struck by air attack.

uss block island (cve-21) - sunk in may '44 by u-boat in atlantic.

uss liscombe bay (cve-56) - sunk by japanese sub in nov '43.

uss st. lo (cve-63) - sunk after kamikaze attack in oct '44.

uss gambier bay (cve-73) - sunk by japanese cruisers in oct '44.

uss bismarck sea (cve-95) - sunk by kamikaze attacks in feb '45.

 

[singveld]

I don't recall any US aircraft carrier being sunk since the invention of aircraft carriers. The closest anyone got were the Japanese attacks on USS Lexington and USS Yorktown in the WW2 Battle of Midway. Some damage, but unsunk. Still could recover and fought back. If China can sink an US aircraft carrier, that'll be something.

my history is rusty, but i am sure japanese sunk one of the amercian carrier.

 

[Watchman]

Just aim 100 missiles towards a carrier group ! No way nothing can repel it .

 

[johnny333]

What will China do with all the American bonds they have bought

On one hand they can threaten to sell them but it also means it is in their interest to avoid any military conflict.

 

[Ramseth]

Yes you're right, your history is better than mine.

not true. japanese torpedoes finished off the uss hornet (cv-8) in oct '42.

the uss wasp (cv-7) had to be left to sink in sep '42 after it was struck by japanese torpedoes.

uss princeton (cvl-23) - sunk in oct '44 (leyte gulf) after being struck by air attack.

uss block island (cve-21) - sunk in may '44 by u-boat in atlantic.

uss liscombe bay (cve-56) - sunk by japanese sub in nov '43.

uss st. lo (cve-63) - sunk after kamikaze attack in oct '44.

uss gambier bay (cve-73) - sunk by japanese cruisers in oct '44.

uss bismarck sea (cve-95) - sunk by kamikaze attacks in feb '45.

 

[Cestbon]

Just aim 100 missiles towards a carrier group ! No way nothing can repel it .

No need 100. Only 10 will do. Let say 50% of the missiles will be intercept. Another 3 miss the ship but left another two will be enough to sink the ship.

 

[longbow]

That is true. These missiles can carry a nuclear warhead (unlikely) or a 600kg high explosive. If they can park it onto deck of carrier, it would pretty much render carrier out of operation.

Given that the carrier has the choice to move away from the kill zone, it is very likely that Navy would probably keep away from the 2000km range of the missile. By staying 2000km from Taiwan Straits would reduce the punch of carrier based aircraft needed to defend Taiwan.

Also, because missile is land based, Chinese could launch and resupply indefinately. These missiles are mobile so hard to track.

Check this out if you are interested in such matters - interesting read :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19784644/...bility-The-Anti-Ship-Ballistic-Missile-Beyond

No need 100. Only 10 will do. Let say 50% of the missiles will be intercept. Another 3 miss the ship but left another two will be enough to sink the ship.

 

[Ramseth]

That is true. These missiles can carry a nuclear warhead (unlikely) or a 600kg high explosive. If they can park it onto deck of carrier, it would pretty much render carrier out of operation.

I think that using a nuclear missile to sink an aircraft carrier is an overkill...

 

[pia]

Yes you're right, your history is better than mine.

Probably your history restricted to movie epics like Battle of Midway etc?

The sunken were forgotten in history.

 

[jimmyfallon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Combat_System

 

[jimmyfallon]

 

[cowbehcowbu]

The Df21 is almost not stoppable as it literally DIVE VERTICALLY DOWNWARDS on the target at extremely high speed....99.99% hit rate..it is really a carrier killer,,period.

 

[Ramseth]

Probably your history restricted to movie epics like Battle of Midway etc?

The sunken were forgotten in history.

Yes, watched too much war documentaries. Anyway, Japan is so the only country which managed to sink US aircraft carriers. US aircraft carriers are the icons of US supremacy worldwide. If China can sink one, the world will shake and Taiwan will earthquake.

 

[pia]

Yes, watched too much war documentaries. Anyway, Japan is so the only country which managed to sink US aircraft carriers. US aircraft carriers are the icons of US supremacy worldwide. If China can sink one, the world will shake and Taiwan will earthquake.

Don't forget the other aircraft carrier US has.. the little red dot

 

[eatshitndie]

Probably your history restricted to movie epics like Battle of Midway etc?

The sunken were forgotten in history.

uss lexington was sunk in the battle of the coral sea, which preceded midway. uss yorktown was hit in the battle of midway, but sank later, while being repaired and salvaged at sea when torpedoes from a jap sub (i-168) executed the coup de grace or final blow.

 

[pia]

uss lexington was sunk in the battle of the coral sea, which preceded midway. uss yorktown was hit in the battle of midway, but sank later, while being repaired and salvaged at sea when torpedoes from a jap sub (i-168) executed the coup de grace or final blow.

The US carriers were glamourous... anyone know about HMS Ark Royal or Independence or Illustrious? Or the Swordfish planes that flew with them?

 

[TeeKee]

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