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China's Chip factories suffer huge idle capacity

GoFlyKiteNow

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Idle Hands in China's Chip Business

Factories are idle and demand is not coming back despite price cuts. Detroit? No. China.

April 23, 2009
By Andy Patrizio: More stories by this author:

Semiconductor fabrication plants are much like jet liners -- they only make money when they are in use, and when they're sitting idle, they just cost it.

Idle fabs are what ate into Intel's top line, hurting its gross margins in the last two quarters due to underutilized plants.

So China's fabrication plants must be in a world of hurt right now, because they are running at just 43 percent capacity in the first quarter, according to a report from market research firm iSuppli. They were running at 92 percent just five years ago.

What happened? Too much supply and too much similarity. The Chinese government subsidized the manufacture of plants with the goal of improving the nation's economy. For a while, it worked.

Then came the economic implosion last year.

"Unfortunately for China, the plan collapsed as global sales dried up before demand generated from internal sources was able to grow to match demand generated from the rest of the world," Len Jelinek, director and chief analyst for semiconductor manufacturing at iSuppli, said in a statement. "Once viewed by China's government as a pillar of growth, semiconductor manufacturing has turned out to be a financial burden."

As a result, China has to restructure its whole semiconductor industry before it simply collapses, Jelinek added, since these plants cost money when idle.

According to iSupply, China's utilization will rise to a mere 54 percent by the fourth quarter of this year, and grow to about 84 and 85 percent in 2012 and 2013, respectively. However, there will likely be consolidation as poorer-performing companies fall on the wayside: Weak companies will not survive two years of negative cash flow.

Making matters worse is the fact that the region's factories generated massive oversupply. How great is the problem? You don't have to look far for answers.

A second iSuppli report estimates that if all of the Taiwanese DRAM suppliers idled all their fabs, which represents 25 percent of global DRAM megabit production, the market would still be oversupplied.

Another problem is these fabs are often way behind in technology, and they are all using the same manufacturing processes and technologies, so there's nothing to separate one from the others. AMD (NYSE: AMD) is claiming it already has customer interest in its Globalfoundries spin-off simply because its 45nm capacity is ahead of many other fabs.

The oversupply of memory is so great that DRAM prices now amount to only one-third of the cost to make the product, according to Nam Hyung Kim, director and chief analyst for memory ICs and storage at iSuppli and author of the report. So Taiwanese memory makers won't make a dime until their products increase in price by 200 percent, which will not happen in an oversupply situation.

iSuppli expects that combined DRAM and NAND revenue will rise by 3.6 percent in the second quarter of 2009 and surge by 21.9 percent and 17.5 percent in the third and fourth quarters of the year, respectively. That's simply not enough to spur growth.
 

SamuelStalin

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China will find a way out. The Chinese are a diligent and clever people next to only the Jews, always remember that.
 

longbow

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GOFLYKITENOW. You are referring to Q1 2009 results! I suspect that most companies in Q1 2009 were in financial stress. After all global financial market were on the brink of collapse. AIG, GM, Chrysler, ML all went under. BOA and Citi almost went under.

The only strong banks were the Chinese banks.

I think using figures from the depth of the recent financial crisis is not a fair representation of an industry. Given that we are now in Q3, Q2 utlilization rates are much better.

There was a huge spike in Q2 wafer fab utilization - pse see attached industry information.

http://www.sia-online.org/cs/papers_publications/press_release_detail?pressrelease.id=1638
 

Leongsam

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China will find a way out. The Chinese are a diligent and clever people next to only the Jews, always remember that.

you gotta be kidding. The Japs and the Koreans are WAY ahead as are the Nordic nations, the USA and most of Europe.

Nothing original has emerged from China for CENTURIES! The only real successful export in recent times has been their whores.

You seem to have forgotten that the Chinks are still commies at heart. In other words, they're idiots. :rolleyes:
 

cooleo

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you gotta be kidding. The Japs and the Koreans are WAY ahead as are the Nordic nations, the USA and most of Europe.

Nothing original has emerged from China for CENTURIES! The only real successful export in recent times has been their whores.

You seem to have forgotten that the Chinks are still commies at heart. In other words, they're idiots. :rolleyes:

U forgot about the Russians
 

GoFlyKiteNow

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GOFLYKITENOW. You are referring to Q1 2009 results! I suspect that most companies in Q1 2009 were in financial stress. After all global financial market were on the brink of collapse. AIG, GM, Chrysler, ML all went under. BOA and Citi almost went under.

The only strong banks were the Chinese banks.

I think using figures from the depth of the recent financial crisis is not a fair representation of an industry. Given that we are now in Q3, Q2 utlilization rates are much better.

There was a huge spike in Q2 wafer fab utilization - pse see attached industry information.

http://www.sia-online.org/cs/papers_publications/press_release_detail?pressrelease.id=1638

But the article also elaborates on the future prosoects of the nidustry - which we can assume covers atleast the next 12 months.
Incidentally, there is a worldwide chip production overcapicty today.
Hence not much room for improvements in sales on the horizon.
 

Watchman

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China will find a way out. The Chinese are a diligent and clever people next to only the Jews, always remember that.

You gotta be kidding.

Their only advantage over others right now is their labour and goods, CHEAP .

The direction we going now.

Like digging deeper to contain the flood when it is coming but not getting out onto high grounds !
 

shelltox

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Idle Hands in China's Chip Business

Factories are idle and demand is not coming back despite price cuts. Detroit? No. China.

April 23, 2009
By Andy Patrizio: More stories by this author:

Semiconductor fabrication plants are much like jet liners -- they only make money when they are in use, and when they're sitting idle, they just cost it.

Idle fabs are what ate into Intel's top line, hurting its gross margins in the last two quarters due to underutilized plants.

So China's fabrication plants must be in a world of hurt right now, because they are running at just 43 percent capacity in the first quarter, according to a report from market research firm iSuppli. They were running at 92 percent just five years ago.

What happened? Too much supply and too much similarity. The Chinese government subsidized the manufacture of plants with the goal of improving the nation's economy. For a while, it worked.

Then came the economic implosion last year.

"Unfortunately for China, the plan collapsed as global sales dried up before demand generated from internal sources was able to grow to match demand generated from the rest of the world," Len Jelinek, director and chief analyst for semiconductor manufacturing at iSuppli, said in a statement. "Once viewed by China's government as a pillar of growth, semiconductor manufacturing has turned out to be a financial burden."

As a result, China has to restructure its whole semiconductor industry before it simply collapses, Jelinek added, since these plants cost money when idle.

According to iSupply, China's utilization will rise to a mere 54 percent by the fourth quarter of this year, and grow to about 84 and 85 percent in 2012 and 2013, respectively. However, there will likely be consolidation as poorer-performing companies fall on the wayside: Weak companies will not survive two years of negative cash flow.

Making matters worse is the fact that the region's factories generated massive oversupply. How great is the problem? You don't have to look far for answers.

A second iSuppli report estimates that if all of the Taiwanese DRAM suppliers idled all their fabs, which represents 25 percent of global DRAM megabit production, the market would still be oversupplied.

Another problem is these fabs are often way behind in technology, and they are all using the same manufacturing processes and technologies, so there's nothing to separate one from the others. AMD (NYSE: AMD) is claiming it already has customer interest in its Globalfoundries spin-off simply because its 45nm capacity is ahead of many other fabs.

The oversupply of memory is so great that DRAM prices now amount to only one-third of the cost to make the product, according to Nam Hyung Kim, director and chief analyst for memory ICs and storage at iSuppli and author of the report. So Taiwanese memory makers won't make a dime until their products increase in price by 200 percent, which will not happen in an oversupply situation.

iSuppli expects that combined DRAM and NAND revenue will rise by 3.6 percent in the second quarter of 2009 and surge by 21.9 percent and 17.5 percent in the third and fourth quarters of the year, respectively. That's simply not enough to spur growth.


Brother, you like to report NEWSED.
 

longbow

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Goflykitenow:

Here is a Jul 30 article on TSMC (btw TSMC is a good indicator of wafer fab industry as they are the world leaders). Not as dire as your article has predicted. Just pointing out that is is foolish to use the Jan-Mar 09 as indicator of business. Temasek lost their pants on BOA because they dumped their stocks during this period. Buffet made a pretty penny on Goldman because he put in cash during this period.




http://www.infoworld.com/t/financial-results/tsmc-raises-tech-industry-forecasts-amid-q2-rebound-651
 

GoFlyKiteNow

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Goflykitenow:

Here is a Jul 30 article on TSMC (btw TSMC is a good indicator of wafer fab industry as they are the world leaders). Not as dire as your article has predicted. Just pointing out that is is foolish to use the Jan-Mar 09 as indicator of business. Temasek lost their pants on BOA because they dumped their stocks during this period. Buffet made a pretty penny on Goldman because he put in cash during this period.




http://www.infoworld.com/t/financial-results/tsmc-raises-tech-industry-forecasts-amid-q2-rebound-651

How is our Chartered semiconductor faring now.?
Past few years it has been losing money and with lots of spare production capacity lying idle.
 

longbow

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Glad that you asked. Chartered was poorly managed and run like a GLC/Stat board. Just look at who is the CEO - some Finance guy. Temasek, seeing it as dying company has cut purses strings from Chartered.

But TSMC is doing well and if you want to know the state of the chip industry just look at TSMC.
 

johnny333

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Nothing original has emerged from China for CENTURIES! The only real successful export in recent times has been their whores.

You seem to have forgotten that the Chinks are still commies at heart. In other words, they're idiots. :rolleyes:


You have give China credit for stepping out of their communist past . Give them a few more years & they might even surprise even you :smile:

They are after all still a third world. Unlike developed nations like Singapore with world class MP pay, world class leaders, world class costs, world class rules & regulations, ....:biggrin:
 
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