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Can PAPee Stop LYING About PHole Affordability?

makapaaa

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR>Sep 5, 2009
AFFORDABILITY OF HOMES
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to Monday's letter by the Housing Board, 'How HDB keeps it affordable'.
The HDB states that flat prices are determined by willing buyers and willing sellers. In land-scarce Singapore, the notion of 'willing buyer, willing seller' has little practical meaning.
Suppose I want to buy a flat in Ang Mo Kio to live close to my parents but the HDB is not building any new flats there. I have no choice but to buy from Ang Mo Kio resellers.
Suppose too, I need to set up a family now and cannot wait for the build-to- order scheme to kick in, what choice do I have but to buy from the resale market?
So 'willing buyer, willing seller' is not a realistic picture of what is happening now.
If there are sufficient new flats available for people to choose from, where and when they like, who would be 'willing' to buy from the resale market?
Thus, the notion of 'willing' buyers stems from the reality that the HDB is not building enough new flats where Singaporeans want them.
The reply also stated that the market value of flats is determined by professional valuers. Is this realistic either?
Valuers base their valuations on recent transactions, which is as good as being determined by 'willing buyer, willing seller', with all its associated problems I have described.
In explaining how it arrives at its criteria for supplying new flats, it would be helpful if the HDB could detail how it takes into account the number of immigrants Singapore has admitted, as well as the number of marriages over the period in question.
The inclusion of these statistics will help answer the question of whether supply can meet demand, which Monday's reply did not address.
The HDB uses the international affordability benchmark to rationalise affordability and concludes that homes are priced reasonably.
The international poverty line is commonly defined as US$1 (S$1.44) per day. If Singaporeans earned US$10 per day, would we consider Singaporeans to be well above poverty levels?
Clearly, US$10 per day is extreme poverty by Singapore standards, yet it is well above the international poverty line.
A more realistic benchmark would be to use international city rankings of house price-to-income ratio which is an affordability measure similar to the one used by the HDB.
As the accompanying table illustrates, Singapore has one of the priciest property markets in the world, relative to income - even dearer than Tokyo, Toronto and New York.
Ng Kok Lim
 

makapaaa

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to Monday's letter, 'How HDB keeps it affordable', and wish to highlight the following:

While cash over valuation (COV) is not determined by the Government, rising COV is an indicator that housing demand exceeds supply. Buyers of resale HDB flats are now squeezed by high COV and asking prices demanded by sellers.

Information on recently transacted resale prices on the HDB website may have little relevance since they were concluded three to four months ago. Given the current market frenzy, it is a challenge for today's buyers to find flats that can still be transacted at prices which prevailed three months earlier.
HDB pointed out that first-time buyers used 21 per cent to 25 per cent of their monthly household income to service their loans on new and resale flats respectively in non-mature estates, which is well below the international affordability benchmark of 30 per cent. For a more meaningful comparison, average figures based on mature and non-mature estates should be used, which is more reflective of general affordability.
More important, I urge HDB to address the ultimate concern of current HDB flat buyers - the soaring resale prices.
Chew Kim Cheer
 

makapaaa

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'The issue here is cash over valuation.'
MR JASON ZHENG: 'As a young couple, my fiancee and I cannot compete against buyers with access to cash, which is what most sellers ask for now. I have failed in my attempts at half-yearly sales, so the only option is resale flats. The issue here is cash over valuation (COV). The HDB discourages it because of financial prudence, and refuses loans to cover it. Yet most sellers demand substantial COV. Given the situation, why not ban COV? Alternatively, let HDB loans cover COV.'
Undersupply
'Should the HDB build 19,000 flats a year instead?'
MR STEVEN YEO: 'How did the HDB determine that building 8,000 new flats a year is sufficient to meet demand? There are seven applicants for each new flat. For example, there were about 24,000 marriages last year, which means only one-third of newlyweds will get a new flat. The other 16,000 must buy resale or private property. If 80 per cent of the population qualify for subsidised flats, should the HDB build 19,000 flats a year instead?'
Three-room flat
'What percentage of income will a single Singaporean earning $2,500 a month pay?'
MR LOO FOOK KAY: 'The HDB said a household with a monthly income of $10,000 uses only 15 per cent to service the loan on a $364,000 HDB flat. As the cheapest three-room flat costs about $200,000, what percentage of income will a single Singaporean earning $2,500 a month pay to service his loan?'
Missing factors
'Home affordability fails to factor in opportunity costs.'
MR HOON TZE MING: 'Home affordability, when computed based on a cost-to-income ratio, fails to factor in opportunity costs associated with access to employment, quality of public schools and environmental conditions. For example, a flat in Woodlands may be 'affordable' according to traditional calculation, but opportunity costs like transport cost and travel time are not factored in. The HDB might consider adopting the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Centre for Real Estate's Housing Affordability Index, which takes these factors into account.'
 

makapaaa

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=heading>Latest comments</TD></TR><TR><TD id=messageDisplayRegion width="100%"><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>"For example, if a household with a monthly income of $10,000 buys a five-room resale flat in a non-mature estate at the average price of $364,000, it would need only about 15 per cent of its income to service its loan."

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how many households earn $10k ?

many families are earning below $2k,
some have no more breadwinners due to retrenchment.

do our government realise that ? know that ?
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: anticult at Thu Sep 03 17:35:14 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=AlternatePost cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>The only way to make sure that you get affordable housing is through your votes
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: chobolansai at Thu Sep 03 15:01:07 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>remember people------Quote: You can only get wool from sheeps.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: chobolansai at Thu Sep 03 14:59:36 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=AlternatePost cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Aiyoh, how to get a flat?

Everything is design and build and each costs $1000 per sq foot.

They think singaporeans have gold under their bed?
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: goofyxxx1 at Thu Sep 03 12:26:02 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Higher prices for new HDB flats means higher prices for older ones. This is in keeping with the then PM Goh's asset enhancement scheme.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: SeenItAll at Thu Sep 03 08:02:50 SGT 2009
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zhihau

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how many households earn $10k ?

many families are earning below $2k,
some have no more breadwinners due to retrenchment.

do our government realise that ? know that ?

last noted that the average monthly household income was about SGD$7,500.00. but some 60% of the households in Singapore is below the national average. also good to note that the bottom 20% of the household earns on an average of SGD$1,300.00 for each month. imagine the disposable income... :confused::confused::confused:

*figures extracted from 2008 Stats.
 
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