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birth rate breakdown by races
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this is a best question that parliament never debated.
i strongly have urged those who supported PAP's low birth rate to show data but no one did.
yes we should see the low birth rate in race proportion!
i strongly have urged those who supported PAP's low birth rate to show data but no one did.
yes we should see the low birth rate in race proportion!
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/pubn/reference/yos/statsT-demography.pdf
The period covered in the report in Demographics Section 3.6 LIVE BIRTHS BY ETHNIC GROUPS AND SEX starts from 1997 to 2007.
The pattern is as follows:
Chinese birth rate has dropped by 25% in 2007 vs 1997 despite the massive influx of PRC women who are in the marriageable and reproductive age.
The Malays have also dropped by 25% but there is no influx of foreign Malay female immigrants to boost their baby producing capacity. Perhaps having 4 baby producing wives as allowed under Shariah Law could be an explanation?
The Indians are the only group that has maintained a steady rate in the period 1997 to 2007
2008 Population Total Fertility Rate
Fertility Rate (Ethnic composition (June %)
Malays = 1.94 (13.6)
Others = 1.89 (2.8)
Indians = 1.25 (8.9)
Chinese = 1.14 (74.7)
Now you know why LKY as a responsible visionary leader is worried about the composition of the different races when one race is producing almost double that of another race - compounded in future years. It would be difficult to maintain the status quo where proportion of race composition is concerned. There is therefore a need to import more PRs from China and India to address the balance.
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/stats/themes/people/popinbrief2008.pdf
Fertility Rate (Ethnic composition (June %)
Malays = 1.94 (13.6)
Others = 1.89 (2.8)
Indians = 1.25 (8.9)
Chinese = 1.14 (74.7)
Now you know why LKY as a responsible visionary leader is worried about the composition of the different races when one race is producing almost double that of another race - compounded in future years. It would be difficult to maintain the status quo where proportion of race composition is concerned. There is therefore a need to import more PRs from China and India to address the balance.
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/stats/themes/people/popinbrief2008.pdf
It is a problem of attitude and mindsets that was so successfully brainwashed into the Singaporean pscyhe by LKY himself that CANNOT be simply solved by the importation of foreigners as a quickfix.
The soil itself is NOT fertile to stimulate procreation even if one keeps throwing in more ethnic seeds to maintain the racial balance of numbers if they won't germinate to flower and produce more seeds.
Why is there a fixation on racial balance. If more inter-racial marriages and intermingling were to occur. A truly S'porean identity and culture would emerge that is neither Indian, Chinese or Malay anymore. The future S'porean would possibly have a mixture of Chinese, Malay, Indian and possibly Caucasian genetic material in one's DNA cocktail that it would be pointless to have a race column in the NRIC anymore.
That's gullible thinking to say the least. Even in USA there is never such a "melting pot" - in equivalent Singapore's steamboat you can still find the very distinguishable toufu, the meat, the fishball, the vegetable and fish, etc all in a pot - not in a broth.
You think a Muslim or Jews would give up his belief and eat pork, a Hindu to eat beef, and a Buddhist Vegetarian to eat mutton, and a Chinese free-thinker - who is legendary to eat anything that flies, swims or has four legs (except a chair) - not to eat beef-burger, char siew, bak kut teh and bak kua - and they will all come after your head.
The PAP government has not forbidden each of the people to hold on to their beliefs and practices while at the same time to respecting others. That's very pragmatic and the right formula. Otherwise the PAP would have lost the trust of the people long before many of forummers are born.
So let the Singhs wear their turbans, the Malays their songkok and tudung and the "others" their NiKe caps or cowboy hats if they want to. Never imagine a Singh to wear a songkok, nor a Malay or Chinese to wear a turban! That will be mayhem!!!
Gurmitt Singh doesn't wear a Turban. And a racial group called the Eurasian, their physical attribute cannot be identified as looking like a Malay, Indian or Chinese. Some of these Eurasians speak dialects too and a host of other languages. Speaking a certain language alone does not mean tribalism per se.
What I am saying is, there can still be different religious groups but they do and eventually cut across racial lines. Indians are not all necessarily Hindus and Singaporean Indians do eat beef. With religious freedom in S'pore, there is NOTHING stopping a Malay from renouncing Islam to marry a non muslim as well.
With rising materialism. secularism and atheism, it won't be surprising IF nominal Malay Muslims were to drop their Islamic roots altogether. The same can also be said of all the other main stream religions as well.
You mentioned USA, what would you call the offspring of an African American who marries a Caucasian? And if that offspring marries a partner of Asian descent and have a child, what ethnicity would that be? The physical attributes of subsequent generations would be so blurred as to make writing down one's ethnic group or race a meaningless and ridiculous exercise.
It is the fixation of the PAP, LKY who is doing a lot of harm by interfering with the natural order demographic shifts and an eventual blurring of racial lines. Basically what he wants is the continuation of a 3rd CHINA with the resultant need for continued NS conscription to maintain that status quo. He is most concerned that the Chinese S'poreans don't speak Mandarin and are speaking English or rather SINGLISH. Likewise, the Indians too would speak SINGLISH as TAMIL is not really a language of INDIANS but a Southern Indian Dialect group. Even the Malay language is not pure either, it could be Berhasa Malay or Indonesian Malay which is different altogether. The Malay language may be abandoned altogether as it becomes irrelevant in the world of commerce and globalisation.
What is so bad if everyone forgets how to speak Tamil, Malay or Mandarin but can speak English well? The Maori in NZ don't necessarily know how to speak Maori either and those who cling stubbornly to their Maori culture of backwardness belong to the lowest economic strata in the country as opposed to those Maori who move forward and adapted to the world of progress.
The problem is LKY whose database and backward vision is caught like a turntable stylus on a groove, replaying the same old line over and over again and refusing to move on as the world changes and progresses.
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It is NOT FAR-FETCHED to think that the Christian Malay exists. Given time and without any political intereference or manipulation it can happen as it did elsewhere.
In the Philipines (Manila) there are 91.5% Christian Malays, 4.1% Muslim Malays etc
http://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/worldguide/html/993_people.html
The races are divided into clear distinct groups and therefore nationhood building has stalled. Citing the wearing of a turban is being naive. There 4 things alone tells a picture to the minorities
1) Racial Quotas which screws the value of HDB homes for the minority
2) SAP schools with no equivalent for the minorities
3) Creation of "self-Help" groups like Mendaki, Sinda and CDAC along racial lines
4) Speak Mandarin Campaign has been the singular divisive item whose impact to others is best insenstive and worst calculative.
A child born between 1959 to 1979 would actually sense nationhood forming, a distinct identity from the other countries but a common identity within its people. From 1980, that has changed. A Singapore child can grow up in Singapore in distinctive racial bubble of his own.
You are being dishonest by trivialising racial matters by using examples such as cowboy hats, turbans and songkoks. Till today, you can advertise for a position with clear racial attributes without breaking the law. In developed countries, the laws are clear and have been there for yonks.
You should see committees that have been formed all around Singapore both in Govt and the private sector. Their racial composition are telling from previous years. I know of many Chinese including myself who have turned down nomination because of the lack of plurality. Its just not right.
Only the grassroots organsiation under PA you see racially mixed committees but as you knows, PA is basically propaganda and political front.
Again you are being simplistic. What you cite are individual beleiefs and they are normally protected by codified laws of the state. A good example is the protecting a citizen in the choice and the practice of his religious belief. All developed countries have that.
But none of them have State designed and funded entities that are race based. Thats when nationhood disappears and a loose State holding different interest together.
I got the distinct impression that you don't read widely or have travelled widely or that you are just myopic and have relied on the Straits Times for the gospel.
Bro,
All pinoys that get PR or pink IC in SG are classified as Malay, but they are christians. So in theory the population still stays with the same ratio, a christian malay is much better then a muslim one so LKY loves them more. Chinese are kept the same by imports of PRC's and ather chines type races to SG
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