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Anne Fights for NSmen's Rights! Ass Loon For FTrash!

makapaaa

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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to last Saturday's letter by Mr Peter Loon Seng Chee, 'Looking for that 'S' factor'.
It is highly unlikely that the Government will grant lifetime free medical care to men doing national service (NS). However, there is another way to make NSmen feel less disadvantaged and less peeved about foreigners and women who do not have to do NS.
During the two years they serve the country, the allowance paid to full-time national servicemen is far below the wages they could earn elsewhere.
Besides this, the time sacrificed and the dangers involved during full-time NS, as well as the subsequent years of reservist training, are surely worth more than what they are currently paid.
Rather than pay them more, why not give each NSman an additional grant equivalent to $10,000 a year, up to a maximum of $40,000, which can be used to fund his studies at any institute of higher learning in Singapore.
For those who are not academically inclined, the money can be used as seed money for them to start their own businesses.
The money can be drawn down over 10 years after NS, but not beyond, and cannot be used if the NSman is employed by others. However, once he starts a business or embarks on a course of study, he can have access to the grant.
This move may turn out to be a win-win situation for all. First, the NSman will feel gratified, which may increase his loyalty to the country. Second, the male population of the country will be better trained as they will have access to higher education, thus making Singapore more competitive in the global workforce. Third, as NSmen bond with one another, ideas may germinate among them for shared business ventures in the future if seed money is available on passing out.
With such a move, NS may become a fertile breeding ground for the entrepreneurs the country badly needs. Not all will be successful, but it will be good if even one in 10 succeeds at a business that provides employment for others.
This money is not a large sum as a working mother earning about $5,000 a month already gets four months of paid maternity leave, or $20,000 per child. On top of this, there is the Baby Bonus.
Dr Anne Chong
 

makapaaa

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=heading>Latest comments</TD></TR><TR><TD id=messageDisplayRegion width="100%"><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Hi,
What Dr Anne Chong suggests doesn't benefit me as I had already served my NS almost 20 years ago but I will be happy for the younger generation whom will be able to benefit from it if the proposal is accepted. The Chinese believe that一代比一代好(Every generation should be better off than the one before)! Hopefully we don't end up like the song lyrics of "The living ears" (it goes like this: Every generation blames the one before!). Singaporeans should support one another then I call it Singapore spirit!
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: mingsuny at Mon Aug 17 12:10:56 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=AlternatePost cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>The silence on this topic was loud and clear.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: DDDTTTLLL at Mon Aug 17 10:50:11 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>The rally speech last night dodged a few difficult and sensitive issues.

Of course, he spent a lot of time on race and religion which was commendable.

However, there was nothing on foreigners or immigrants and their impacts on society and lives of Singaporeans.
Zero. And that is regrettable.

The good old days memory lanes speech while nice to the ears would wear off fast and be replaced by practical everyday reality of hard struggles. The them-vs-us divide also includes locals-vs-non-locals and citizens-vs-new-citizens. Something that PM felt was not important to touch on.

PM's NDR speech : 5 out of 10 stars. Imho.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: AlexOneMillionMore at Mon Aug 17 10:31:58 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=AlternatePost cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>that "s" factor is in its very own local born S'poreans and not on some PRs or "new citizens" - simple
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: betweenus777 at Mon Aug 17 10:29:40 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>We are always talking about rewarding those who are currently serving and about to serve. How about compensating those who have finished their active and reservist duty, and are still alive & kicking? We are the ones that got pittance in allowance and served much longer tenures than today's NS. So, what about us, huh?

All those people including Dr Anne Chong, that propose all these NS changes seems to treat us as if we don't exist anymore....! Spare a thought for us in your analysis and don't leave us out of the pie if you must.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: bhgoh at Mon Aug 17 09:05:30 SGT 2009
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Hope

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR>Fire up NSmen with aid for study, venture
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->I REFER to last Saturday's letter by Mr Peter Loon Seng Chee, 'Looking for that 'S' factor'.
It is highly unlikely that the Government will grant lifetime free medical care to men doing national service (NS). However, there is another way to make NSmen feel less disadvantaged and less peeved about foreigners and women who do not have to do NS.
During the two years they serve the country, the allowance paid to full-time national servicemen is far below the wages they could earn elsewhere.
Besides this, the time sacrificed and the dangers involved during full-time NS, as well as the subsequent years of reservist training, are surely worth more than what they are currently paid.
Rather than pay them more, why not give each NSman an additional grant equivalent to $10,000 a year, up to a maximum of $40,000, which can be used to fund his studies at any institute of higher learning in Singapore.
For those who are not academically inclined, the money can be used as seed money for them to start their own businesses.
The money can be drawn down over 10 years after NS, but not beyond, and cannot be used if the NSman is employed by others. However, once he starts a business or embarks on a course of study, he can have access to the grant.
This move may turn out to be a win-win situation for all. First, the NSman will feel gratified, which may increase his loyalty to the country. Second, the male population of the country will be better trained as they will have access to higher education, thus making Singapore more competitive in the global workforce. Third, as NSmen bond with one another, ideas may germinate among them for shared business ventures in the future if seed money is available on passing out.
With such a move, NS may become a fertile breeding ground for the entrepreneurs the country badly needs. Not all will be successful, but it will be good if even one in 10 succeeds at a business that provides employment for others.
This money is not a large sum as a working mother earning about $5,000 a month already gets four months of paid maternity leave, or $20,000 per child. On top of this, there is the Baby Bonus.
Dr Anne Chong
Dr Chong is one citizen who thinks about her fella citizens,unlike PAP and the 66.67%
 

mscitw

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Peasant Chong is another idiot.

The regime does not give a hoot to local peasants.

Only the interests of the Imperial Family mattered.

One of Old Autocrat's grandson has a problem with his mandarin.

So his cronies declared his grandson has a IQ or 130 and better and exempted him from local peasant schools where he is likely funk his mandarin classes.
 

2lanu

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This NS Rebate issue will be a tough nut to crack for the white scum. How are they going to justify because those different vocations? Combat soldier fighting at war front worth more or combat general only giving orders to soldier to charge forward with their lives?

And do chao keng cooks, clerks and drivers deserve those benefits too? :rolleyes:
 

2lanu

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So his cronies declared his grandson has a IQ or 130 and better and exempted him from local peasant schools where he is likely funk his mandarin classes.

Like that also can huh... Uniquely Singapore. One cuntry, 2 system...:oIo:
 

po2wq

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ah anne ...

ur worlds bestest paid gahmen glorifies ft's who dun nid 2 do ns 1 ...

y u tok so much abt ns men? ...


so, annie, r u ok? ... r u ok, annie? ...
annie, r u ok? ... r u ok, annie? ...
...


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Maverick01

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what a joker...haha WAR FRONT?????????? what WAR you referring to?


This NS Rebate issue will be a tough nut to crack for the white scum. How are they going to justify because those different vocations? Combat soldier fighting at war front worth more or combat general only giving orders to soldier to charge forward with their lives?

And do chao keng cooks, clerks and drivers deserve those benefits too? :rolleyes:
 

littlefish

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Anything given with strings or conditions attached is useless and will unfairly penalise some people one way or another. As I have said in another thread, only a cash payout offered unreservedly will do. They can get the funds from the foreigners who are eager to come to work in Singapore.
 

2lanu

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what a joker...haha WAR FRONT?????????? what WAR you referring to?

White scum had their underhand method of planning in such a way that NSmen are being "planned" to fight at warfront when war arises. If that really happen... but those regulars, generals and their lackeys are NOT in there!

I guess by asking this qtn, are you belong to that category? Or cook, clerk or driver vocation??:confused:
 

2lanu

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Anything given with strings or conditions attached is useless and will unfairly penalise some people one way or another. As I have said in another thread, only a cash payout offered unreservedly will do. They can get the funds from the foreigners who are eager to come to work in Singapore.

What cash payout do they have after a jinx had lost a big chunk? They probably give "credits" spread out in number of years... :rolleyes:
 

saratogas

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the time sacrificed and the dangers involved during full-time NS

Many of my pals got injured during their NS days, Me... bad back due to heavy load! Now need visit massage girl every week to feel better.
 

2lanu

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the time sacrificed and the dangers involved during full-time NS

Many of my pals got injured during their NS days, Me... bad back due to heavy load! Now need visit massage girl every week to feel better.

If you are in the combat, you tend to have some injuries or pain on your body. But surprisely the MO I consulted always said it is fine not problem :confused:
 

littlefish

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SPR who serve NS but don't convert to citizen how? Same? or not same?

Second generation PRs who are forced to serve will be exempted from paying the levy that other foreigners need to pay before they can convert to citizenship or work in Singapore.

However, I think a better way would be to give them the choice of either serving or paying the levy. If they run away before serving, then they still need to pay when they come to Singapore to work. If they should choose to serve, they will be paid the full rate pay of a regular (same as for Singaporeans who are serving or have served) and are also entitled to the payout. If they choose to serve, they should be treated the same as Singaporeans and accorded the same privileges. First generation PRs have to pay, they do not have a choice.

As long as there is no record of you having served NS, you pay the levy. I think this rule should also apply to all females. Only exemptions are for those with a serious disability. No payback if your disability happened after you have paid. For that, you can claim from your own insurance.
 

2lanu

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You guys talked las if you are the white scum. The very fact is that they just cannot afford to pay such a huge expenditure! The corporate tax is cut from 20% to 18% and going to be 16% soon. Where do they find the $$$ from then? GST% again? Or whatever new tax?

For investor, they wil lgo to place where tax ais lower. For individual, if they can't pay, why serve for free while other do not? Of course white scum can always bring in young naive youngsters to brainwash their brain to do the "noble"... This will goes on and on till one day it cannot be done anymore....
 

moolightaffairs

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i think we should scrap our half past six assayef and let our motherland China PLA defend us. so we don't have to do ns slavery or reservist.

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祖国万岁!!!中华人民共和国万岁!!!中国人民解放军万岁!!!
 

Watchman

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PAP only care about cheap solution, maximum profits .

Look at all the crap in the office. Only the water boy doing all the work !
 

2lanu

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i think we should scrap our half past six assayef and let our motherland China PLA defend us. so we don't have to do ns slavery or reservist.

Why not? And all the regulars will have to peg their pay to PRC salary and performance benchmark. White scum should also be judge based on PRC official.

Imagine Premier Wen only got US$100K per annual, how much should Peesai PM get then? :biggrin:
 

moolightaffairs

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Why not? And all the regulars will have to peg their pay to PRC salary and performance benchmark. White scum should also be judge based on PRC official.

Imagine Premier Wen only got US$100K per annual, how much should Peesai PM get then? :biggrin:

yah man!!! should let the People Liberation Army liberate us from the iron fist of the white scum!!!

伟大的中国人民解放军万岁!!! 来解放星加坡人民吧!!! 把反动派消灭干净!!!
 
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