Ancient Japanese Language = Ancient Chinese ?

[Conqueror]

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明月幾時有，把酒問青天。
めい　げつ　き　し　いう、　　は　しう　ぶん　せい　てん
みやう　ごち　け　じ　う、　　へ　しゆ　もん　しやう　てん
不知天上宮闕，今夕是何年。
ふう　ち　てん　しやう　きゆう　けつ、　　きむ　せき　し　か　でん
ふ　ち　てん　じやう　くう　こち、　　こむ　じやく　ぜ　が　ねん
我欲乘風歸去，又恐瓊樓玉宇，高處不勝寒。
が　よく　しよう　ほう　くゐ　きよ、　　　　いう　きよう　けい　ろう　ぎよく　う、　　かう　しよ　ふう　しよう　かん
が　よく　じょう　ふう　け　こ、　　　　う　く　ぎやう　る　こく　う、　　かう　しよ　ふ　しよう　がん
起舞弄清影，何似在人間。
き　ぶ　ろう　せい　えい、　　か　し　さい　じん　かん
こ　む　る　しやう　やう、　　か　じ　ざい　にん　けん
轉朱閣，低綺戶，照無眠。
てん　しゆ　かく、　　てい　き　こ、　　せう　ぶ　べん
てん　す　かく、　たい　き　ぐ、　　せう　む　めん
不應有恨，何事長向別時圓。
ふう　よう　ゆう　こん、　　か　し　ちやう　きやう　へつ　し　ゑん
ふ　おう　う　ごん、　　が　じ　ぢやう　かう　べち　じ　ゑん
人有悲歡離合，月有陰晴圓缺，此事古難全。
じん　ゆう　ひ　くわん　り　かふ、　げつ　ゆう　いん　せい　ゑん　けつ、　　し　し　こ　だん　せん
にん　う　ひ　くわん　り　ごふ、　ごち　う　おん　じやう　ゑん　けち、　　し　じ　く　なん　ぜん
但願人長久，千里共嬋娟。
たん　げん　じん　ちやう　きう、　　せん　り　きよう　せん　けん
だん　ごん　にん　ぢやう　く、　　せん　り　くう　ぜん　けん


Is this the ancient words of the early Chinese ?

"今" is pronounced as ghing and "去" is pronounced as "kor" exactly the same as Foochowese ! "人" is still pronounced like Cantonese, Foochowese or even Korean - "yin" not "jin".

 

[vamjok]

i think its more of cross influence. china was a very strong country in the past with very strong cultural influence on both korea and japanese. i do not think in a strict pure sense japanese equate to ancient chinese as i have friends who speak both language told me the grammar structure of both language are different. many borrowed words maybe, due to the fact that in the past writing in both japanese and korean were in chinese characters only (they do not have their own characters and writing system then, thus borrowed such system from china)

 

[drifter]

i think its more of cross influence. china was a very strong country in the past with very strong cultural influence on both korea and japanese. i do not think in a strict pure sense japanese equate to ancient chinese as i have friends who speak both language told me the grammar structure of both language are different. many borrowed words maybe, due to the fact that in the past writing in both japanese and korean were in chinese characters only (they do not have their own characters and writing system then, thus borrowed such system from china)

yes ...you are right .

 

[Ramseth]

Japanese as a spoken language is Altaic, totally different from Han Chinese. The resemblence is due to influence of writing in Chinese characters and heavy borrowing of Chinese vocabulary when China ranked culturally supreme in the Far East. Altaic is closer to Russian and Finnish in grammatical structure. Korean is too.

The translation of the poem in the threadstarting post is just Japanese hiragana transliteration phoenetic by phoenitic. It's not grammatically Japanese at all.

 

[drifter]

Japanese as a spoken language is Altaic, totally different from Han Chinese. The resemblence is due to influence of writing in Chinese characters and heavy borrowing of Chinese vocabulary when China ranked culturally supreme in the Far East. Altaic is closer to Russian and Finnish in grammatical structure. Korean is too.

The translation of the poem in the threadstarting post is just Japanese hiragana transliteration phoenetic by phoenitic. It's not grammatically Japanese at all.

clap clap ...

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Japanese as a spoken language is Altaic, totally different from Han Chinese. The resemblence is due to influence of writing in Chinese characters and heavy borrowing of Chinese vocabulary when China ranked culturally supreme in the Far East. Altaic is closer to Russian and Finnish in grammatical structure. Korean is too.

The translation of the poem in the threadstarting post is just Japanese hiragana transliteration phoenetic by phoenitic. It's not grammatically Japanese at all.

wow not bad.

 

[drifter]

wow not bad.

of course ..ah ram last time work in ....JAL mah

 

[Ramseth]

of course ..ah ram last time work in ....JAL mah

You're all very bad. Keep saying that Irene girl is my clone and chase her away already. Never leave me enough time to court her. Otherwise, I chat with her Narita and Tokyo sure got upfront advantage to court her.

 

[drifter]

You're all very bad. Keep saying that Irene girl is my clone and chase her away already. Never leave me enough time to court her. Otherwise, I chat with her Narita and Tokyo sure got upfront advantage to court her.

whahahaha...paiseh paiseh ..

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

of course ..ah ram last time work in ....JAL mah

Alamak for all his smarts in these matters why does he want to cross dress?

 

[drifter]

Alamak for all his smarts in these matters why does he want to cross dress?

hes smart enough not to cross dress lah ...sure no business in changi

 

[Ramseth]

I used to run a year end chalet and BBQ in CV when I was with NTUC Income under TKL as CEO. Then, NTUC Income owned half of CV. Both TKL and I didn't like LBs. But for economic reasons, that was the most economical place to hold our year end gathering. I only needed to put out the word that we were having a staff gathering here. All LBs disappeared until we left two days later.

 

[drifter]

I used to run a year end chalet and BBQ in CV when I was with NTUC Income under TKL as CEO. Then, NTUC Income owned half of CV. Both TKL and I didn't like LBs. But for economic reasons, that was the most economical place to hold our year end gathering. I only needed to put out the word that we were having a staff gathering here. All LBs disappeared until we left two days later.

hows the chalet in changi ? was it clean and spacious ? i never been to changi chalet ...

 

[Ramseth]

hows the chalet in changi ? was it clean and spacious ? i never been to changi chalet ...

Nobody wants to book it unless it's free (i.e. NTUC staff). Slightly better than PA barrack only.

 

[drifter]

Nobody want to book it unless it's free (i.e. NTUC staff). Slightly better than PA barrack only.

wow ...so jialat meh ? i didnt know . thanks for the infor .

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

hes smart enough not to cross dress lah ...sure no business in changi

i'm sure he looks like a chio bu with his pony tail ............. from the back.

 

[drifter]

i'm sure he looks like a chio bu with his pony tail ............. from the back.

whahaahah provided all his hair still intact and no lobang on his head like middaydog

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

whahaahah provided all his hair still intact and no lobang on his head like middaydog

eeee ponytail with bald head on top. But can wear bandana to cover like this but of course not as sud as him

 

[drifter]

eeee ponytail with bald head on top. But can wear bandana to cover like this but of course not as sud as him

Wow if he really wear that bandana don't say ah gua run even my pits see already also run

 

[eatshitndie]

someone pointed out in another thread that jap grammar is closer to dravidian....which is related to tamil. but i believe it is closer to mongolian which is altaic.