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法国请求加入CR929研制 是为分一杯羹还是来捣乱？
法国请求加入CR929研制 是为分一杯羹还是来捣乱？
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12月28日，随着第103架C919平稳降落在上海浦东国际机场，标志着我国大客机研制进入了新的阶段。而实际上，除了C919之外，我国和俄罗斯还在联合研制更大更先进的C929，也叫CR929客机。
CR929是280座级宽体客机
CR929作为中俄联合研制的重大项目之一，已经取得了较大的进展。12月26日，CR929项目复合材料前机身攻关全尺寸筒段顺利实现总装下线，进度之快，让人咂舌。而就在近日，有消息传出，第三个国家提出加入CR929项目研制，它就是法国。有网友评论，法国评估中国肯定能突破大飞机技术，现在进来还能卖点技术，等晚了啥也卖不出去了。
CR929前机身攻关全尺寸筒段
而实际上，作为C919的供货商，法国当然很明白土鳖的进度和技术能力，继C919之后继续成为CR929的供货商是理所当然的想法。而且无论是1964年，还是1992年，法国从来都是打破欧美封锁僵局的关键因素。因此，对于法方提出加入，我们应持欢迎态度。
CR929驾驶舱
不仅如此，大客机的研制，最难的不是政治，而是如果取得美欧绝对控制的适航证，让我们的大客机能够在全球市场运营，而不仅仅只是国内。虽然目前我们已经在C919上跟美国人达成互认协议，但是后面的挑战依然很大，让法国人参与进来，同时做到以我为主，有利于降低认证的难度。
CR929机身复合材料加工
不过，相比法国人，我们还是更愿意让英国人参与进来，因为英国人手头有罗罗发动机公司的技术，而法国人的机身机翼制造技术，对我们的吸引力已经不大了，在有些方面，我们甚至已经超过了法国人。比如刚刚下线的前机身攻关全尺寸筒段，我们采用了全复合材料制造，在2018年1月，CR929远程宽体客机全尺寸复合材料机身壁板工艺件就试制成功，甚至连结构肋竟然都采用了复合材料，而且还不是传统式的铆接方法，正是超出想象。新材料新技术的应用，是中国近年来不断弯道超车的主要手段。
CR929前机身样段
与之相反，法国人几十年来在国际合作中的信誉较为一般，无论是台风战斗机的研制、还是航母驱逐舰的建造，法国人往往在最后关头釜底抽薪，拿到技术后回去自己另搞一套。所以即使和法国人合作，我们也要要做多手准备，不要被这些名为合作，实际下绊子拖后腿甚至搞破坏的西方人最后把大飞机弄黄了。
CR929前机身样段
更重要的是，和C919项目不同，CR929不仅代表着国产280座级宽体客机，还肩负着未来改装预警机、空中加油机、反潜机和电机战机的重任，在这些方面，西方对我们的严防死堵出奇的一致，如果CR929上使用了法国的技术和部件，未来改为军用的时候必然会受到诸多牵制，因此是否接纳法国，需要有关部门全盘考虑，慎重选择。（作者署名：铁翼苍穹）
CR929将作为多种军用飞机的平台
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France asked to join the development of CR929 Is it a piece of cake or a mess?
France asked to join the development of CR929 Is it a piece of cake or a mess?
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On December 28th, with the 103rd C919 landing smoothly at Shanghai Pudong International Airport, it marked the beginning of a new stage in the development of China's large passenger aircraft. In fact, in addition to the C919, China and Russia are jointly developing a larger and more advanced C929, also known as the CR929 passenger aircraft.
CR929 is a 280-seat wide-body aircraft CR929 is a 280-seat wide-body aircraft
As one of the major projects jointly developed by China and Russia, CR929 has made great progress. On December 26th, the CR929 project composite material front fuselage attacked the full-size cylinder section to smoothly complete the final assembly line, the progress is fast, it is staggering. Just recently, it was reported that a third country proposed to join the CR929 project, which is France. Some netizens commented that France’s assessment of China’s ability to break through the big aircraft technology is now able to sell some technology, and it’s too late to sell.
CR929 front fuselage attack full size cylinder section CR929 front fuselage attack full size cylinder section
In fact, as a supplier of C919, France certainly understands the progress and technical capabilities of the bandits. It is a matter of course to continue to be the supplier of CR929 after C919. And whether it was 1964 or 1992, France has always been a key factor in breaking the deadlock in Europe and the United States. Therefore, we should welcome the French side to join.
CR929 cockpit CR929 cockpit
Not only that, the hardest part of the development of large passenger aircraft is not politics, but if we obtain the airworthiness certificate of absolute control of the United States and Europe, our large passenger aircraft can operate in the global market, not just domestic. Although we have reached a mutual recognition agreement with the Americans on the C919, the challenges ahead are still very large. Let the French people participate and make me dominate, which will help to reduce the difficulty of certification.
CR929 fuselage composite processing CR929 fuselage composite processing
However, compared to the French, we are more willing to let the British participate, because the British have the technology of Rolls-Royce, and the French fuselage wing manufacturing technology is not very attractive to us. In some ways, we have even surpassed the French. For example, the front fuselage of the off-line has been fully-sized, and we have used all-composite materials. In January 2018, CR929 long-range wide-body aircraft full-size composite body siding crafts were successfully produced, even the structure. The ribs have all used composite materials, and it is not a traditional riveting method. It is beyond imagination. The application of new materials and new technologies is the main means for China to continue to bend and overtake in recent years.
CR929 front fuselage sample CR929 front fuselage sample
On the contrary, the French people have a relatively good reputation in international cooperation for decades. Whether it is the development of typhoon fighters or the construction of aircraft destroyers, the French often pay at the last minute and get back to themselves to get another set of techniques. Therefore, even if we cooperate with the French, we have to prepare for it. Don't be swayed by these Westerners who are called cooperation, and actually dragged their legs and even destroyed.
CR929 front fuselage sample CR929 front fuselage sample
More importantly, unlike the C919 project, CR929 not only represents the domestic 280-seat wide-body aircraft, but also shoulders the heavy responsibility of future modification of early warning aircraft, aerial tankers, anti-submarine aircraft and motor fighters. In these respects, the West is strict against us. If the CR929 is equipped with French technology and components, it will inevitably be subject to many restrictions when it is changed to military use in the future. Therefore, whether or not to accept France requires the relevant departments to consider and consider carefully. (Author's signature: Iron Wing)
CR929 will serve as a platform for a variety of military aircraft. CR929 will serve as a platform for a variety of military aircraft.
法国请求加入CR929研制 是为分一杯羹还是来捣乱？
法国请求加入CR929研制 是为分一杯羹还是来捣乱？
1,973
12月28日，随着第103架C919平稳降落在上海浦东国际机场，标志着我国大客机研制进入了新的阶段。而实际上，除了C919之外，我国和俄罗斯还在联合研制更大更先进的C929，也叫CR929客机。
CR929作为中俄联合研制的重大项目之一，已经取得了较大的进展。12月26日，CR929项目复合材料前机身攻关全尺寸筒段顺利实现总装下线，进度之快，让人咂舌。而就在近日，有消息传出，第三个国家提出加入CR929项目研制，它就是法国。有网友评论，法国评估中国肯定能突破大飞机技术，现在进来还能卖点技术，等晚了啥也卖不出去了。
而实际上，作为C919的供货商，法国当然很明白土鳖的进度和技术能力，继C919之后继续成为CR929的供货商是理所当然的想法。而且无论是1964年，还是1992年，法国从来都是打破欧美封锁僵局的关键因素。因此，对于法方提出加入，我们应持欢迎态度。
不仅如此，大客机的研制，最难的不是政治，而是如果取得美欧绝对控制的适航证，让我们的大客机能够在全球市场运营，而不仅仅只是国内。虽然目前我们已经在C919上跟美国人达成互认协议，但是后面的挑战依然很大，让法国人参与进来，同时做到以我为主，有利于降低认证的难度。
不过，相比法国人，我们还是更愿意让英国人参与进来，因为英国人手头有罗罗发动机公司的技术，而法国人的机身机翼制造技术，对我们的吸引力已经不大了，在有些方面，我们甚至已经超过了法国人。比如刚刚下线的前机身攻关全尺寸筒段，我们采用了全复合材料制造，在2018年1月，CR929远程宽体客机全尺寸复合材料机身壁板工艺件就试制成功，甚至连结构肋竟然都采用了复合材料，而且还不是传统式的铆接方法，正是超出想象。新材料新技术的应用，是中国近年来不断弯道超车的主要手段。
与之相反，法国人几十年来在国际合作中的信誉较为一般，无论是台风战斗机的研制、还是航母驱逐舰的建造，法国人往往在最后关头釜底抽薪，拿到技术后回去自己另搞一套。所以即使和法国人合作，我们也要要做多手准备，不要被这些名为合作，实际下绊子拖后腿甚至搞破坏的西方人最后把大飞机弄黄了。
更重要的是，和C919项目不同，CR929不仅代表着国产280座级宽体客机，还肩负着未来改装预警机、空中加油机、反潜机和电机战机的重任，在这些方面，西方对我们的严防死堵出奇的一致，如果CR929上使用了法国的技术和部件，未来改为军用的时候必然会受到诸多牵制，因此是否接纳法国，需要有关部门全盘考虑，慎重选择。（作者署名：铁翼苍穹）
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France asked to join the development of CR929 Is it a piece of cake or a mess?
France asked to join the development of CR929 Is it a piece of cake or a mess?
1,973
On December 28th, with the 103rd C919 landing smoothly at Shanghai Pudong International Airport, it marked the beginning of a new stage in the development of China's large passenger aircraft. In fact, in addition to the C919, China and Russia are jointly developing a larger and more advanced C929, also known as the CR929 passenger aircraft.
CR929 is a 280-seat wide-body aircraft CR929 is a 280-seat wide-body aircraft
As one of the major projects jointly developed by China and Russia, CR929 has made great progress. On December 26th, the CR929 project composite material front fuselage attacked the full-size cylinder section to smoothly complete the final assembly line, the progress is fast, it is staggering. Just recently, it was reported that a third country proposed to join the CR929 project, which is France. Some netizens commented that France’s assessment of China’s ability to break through the big aircraft technology is now able to sell some technology, and it’s too late to sell.
CR929 front fuselage attack full size cylinder section CR929 front fuselage attack full size cylinder section
In fact, as a supplier of C919, France certainly understands the progress and technical capabilities of the bandits. It is a matter of course to continue to be the supplier of CR929 after C919. And whether it was 1964 or 1992, France has always been a key factor in breaking the deadlock in Europe and the United States. Therefore, we should welcome the French side to join.
CR929 cockpit CR929 cockpit
Not only that, the hardest part of the development of large passenger aircraft is not politics, but if we obtain the airworthiness certificate of absolute control of the United States and Europe, our large passenger aircraft can operate in the global market, not just domestic. Although we have reached a mutual recognition agreement with the Americans on the C919, the challenges ahead are still very large. Let the French people participate and make me dominate, which will help to reduce the difficulty of certification.
CR929 fuselage composite processing CR929 fuselage composite processing
However, compared to the French, we are more willing to let the British participate, because the British have the technology of Rolls-Royce, and the French fuselage wing manufacturing technology is not very attractive to us. In some ways, we have even surpassed the French. For example, the front fuselage of the off-line has been fully-sized, and we have used all-composite materials. In January 2018, CR929 long-range wide-body aircraft full-size composite body siding crafts were successfully produced, even the structure. The ribs have all used composite materials, and it is not a traditional riveting method. It is beyond imagination. The application of new materials and new technologies is the main means for China to continue to bend and overtake in recent years.
CR929 front fuselage sample CR929 front fuselage sample
On the contrary, the French people have a relatively good reputation in international cooperation for decades. Whether it is the development of typhoon fighters or the construction of aircraft destroyers, the French often pay at the last minute and get back to themselves to get another set of techniques. Therefore, even if we cooperate with the French, we have to prepare for it. Don't be swayed by these Westerners who are called cooperation, and actually dragged their legs and even destroyed.
CR929 front fuselage sample CR929 front fuselage sample
More importantly, unlike the C919 project, CR929 not only represents the domestic 280-seat wide-body aircraft, but also shoulders the heavy responsibility of future modification of early warning aircraft, aerial tankers, anti-submarine aircraft and motor fighters. In these respects, the West is strict against us. If the CR929 is equipped with French technology and components, it will inevitably be subject to many restrictions when it is changed to military use in the future. Therefore, whether or not to accept France requires the relevant departments to consider and consider carefully. (Author's signature: Iron Wing)
CR929 will serve as a platform for a variety of military aircraft. CR929 will serve as a platform for a variety of military aircraft.
