Air France's Corpses spoke truth, SIA lies exposed. Plane Broke Apart Mid-Air

[Lee_Gong_Yaw]

The recovered corpses spoke, and revealed the truth that AFR447 Airbus broke apart in mid air before it plunged into ocean.

1. The corpses were found in locations up to 85kms apart, proved that passengers were scattered out of the broken Airbus plane in the air.
2. Most of the corpses were naked or left with few inner garment, that indicated that passengers clothes ripped off by air & plunge into ocean in high speed fall without protection of plane.
3. There were no water found in lungs of corpses, showing that they were already dead in freezing thin air high altitude before they went into ocean. If they were still alive in ocean and drowned, water will be in their lungs.
4. Corpses were rather complete, with limbs etc, but fractures matches with those caused by direct impact of bodies against water. So they were not inside a plane when they hit water.
5. The broken apart plane sent a series of automated messages regarding electrical failures and computer failures and lost of cabin pressure etc, that is mostly after the plane had already broken apart, these series of failures was because the plane was no longer in one single piece.

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遗体查验结果支持失事法航客机空中断裂后坠海的假设
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新华网巴西利亚６月１２日电（记者 赵焱）据巴西《圣保罗州报》１２日报道，对第一批打捞上来的１６具法航失事客机遇难者遗体的初步查验结果支持客机先发生断裂再坠入大西洋的假设。

报道说，大部分在费尔南多－迪诺罗尼亚岛经过初步辨认的遗体都是全部裸露或只穿最少的内衣，这表明客机先断裂了，遇难者下坠过程中衣服都被吹走。

初步分析还排除了飞机发生爆炸的可能性，因为没有一具遗体上有烧伤痕迹。这些被打捞上来的遗体都相对完整，几乎每具都有多处骨折，包括上肢、下肢和臀部，应该是遇难者从高空高速坠入水中造成的创伤。同时，已查验的遗体中没有发现肺部进水的现象。

报道还提到，飞机先在空中断裂的假设也有其他证据支持，比如巴西空军在搜寻过程中发现的两个遇难者遗体集中地带相距８５公里。如果飞机是完整坠海的，那么即使经过１０天的洋流作用，遗体也应该相对集中在一个地区。

法航一架空客Ａ３３０客机于格林尼治时间６月１日凌晨在大西洋海域上空失事。客机上共有２１６名乘客和１２名机组人员，其中包括９名中国乘客。目前巴西军方共证实打捞上来４４具遇难者遗体。

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Therefore SIA was completely telling lies when they blindly claimed that their Airbus A330 were VERY SAFE PLANES, before even they waited for the results and findings from AFR447 crash.

They have the typical PAP attitude of AH BENG EGO, arrogance and False & Naive Confidence, just like Phua Chu Kang PCK - the best in Batam JB & Singapore.



PAP bragged that they would be the most successful example initially in their Suzhou Singapore Industrial Park project. Full of Ego & Arrogance. And then they denied all the negative reports of their failures in the following 8 years. Finally after Chinese took over and revived the failed project to a success they try to claim merits from that success which belongs to the Chinese.

SIA's attitude false claiming that they had the Safest & Best planes is the same as PAP govt.

SIA falsely denied that SQ006 was taking off from the wrong runway initially, and then the next day when blackbox was quickly recovered, they reversed their stands immediately and admit that SQ006 was on wrong runway. This the same kind of attitude between SIA & PAP.

Be quick to deny shortcomings and faults, blindly deny and blindly claim credits, shameless and foolish.
:(

 

[Lee_Gong_Yaw]

http://www.sudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1610425

IDs of Air France victims could prove jet broke up
Posted By MARCO SIBAJA AND ALAN CLENDENNING, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted 1 day ago


Brazilian authorities started to identify bodies recovered from a downed Air France jet yesterday, and the names of victims found 85 kilometres apart in the ocean could help prove whether the jet broke up in the air.

A French ship also reported sighting more bodies, but there was no immediate information on how many were spotted or when they might be picked up, said Brazilian Air Force. Gen. Ramon Cardoso.

Rainstorms hit parts of the search area and bodies and debris were dispersed by currents, and Cardoso said Brazil's aerial search was hindered by reduced visibility.

"It is becoming more and more difficult to find and recover bodies," he said 11 days after the May 31 crash hundreds of kilometres off Brazil's coast. "And the chances of recovering the bodies of all the passengers of the Air France flight are very remote."

Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the U. S. National Transportation Safety Board, said the evidence uncovered so far points to at least a partial midair break up of the Airbus A330 and that the 41 bodies found are among the best evidence investigators now have.

Coroners in the northeastern coastal city of Recife began examining 16 bodies yesterday, hoping to identify through DNA and photos. The rest of the bodies are to be flown in today from the Brazilian islands of Fernando de Noronha, where they are being taken after being loaded onto search ships.

Flight 447 was packed with 228 people and because of that, passengers were likely in their assigned seats as the jet flew into heavy storms, Goelz said.

"If the victims found in one part of the ocean mostly came from one part of the plane, and the victims in the other area came from another part of the plane, that is really telling you something," he said -- perhaps what parts of the plane had broken up in the air.

Identification of injuries suffered by passengers also will help investigators.

Goelz said that damage to the larger pieces of debris fished from the ocean can tell experts where the pieces of the plane broke apart and perhaps why -- by forces in air or by impact with the sea.

 

[Lee_Gong_Yaw]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090612/ts_csm/acomposite_1


Did Air France Flight 447 break up midair?
The Christian Science Monitor


By Alexandra Marks Alexandra Marks – Fri Jun 12, 5:00 am ET

New York – Air France Flight 447 may have broken apart in the air, new reports indicate.

A Brazilian newspaper cites unnamed investigators who say an examination of some of the retrieved bodies, which were found as far as 85 miles apart, indicates that the plane may have broken apart before it fell into the Atlantic Ocean on June 1.

The Monitor has not been able to confirm those reports. Still, that possibility adds to the urgency of finding the plane's black boxes. As each hour passes, the signals they send out lose a little strength. By the end of the month, they could fade altogether, turning a difficult search of a mountainous undersea landscape into an all-but-impossible one.

The flight data recorders and any recovered wreckage probably holds the key to the puzzle of what caused the Airbus A330-200 to suddenly drop out of the sky on a routine flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

Finding out what happened is critical to safety experts and engineers, who use what they learn from each accident to prevent others, as well as to increase the safety, reliability, and flexibility of modern aircraft.

The aviation industry is currently in the midst of an historic shift in aircraft construction, from generations of using titanium and aluminum to using lighter high-tech composites – complex materials made of intricately woven fibers baked with resins. These materials are believed to be as stronger if not stronger than traditional metals.

While the A330-200 has a traditional metal fuselage, it uses more composites in components such as the wing and tail structures than older planes do. Boeing is building the first major commercial plane, the Boeing 787, with a fuselage made completely of composite materials.

"There is a very compelling need to find the wreckage," says Richard Healing, a former member of the National Transportation Safety Board and an aviation safety consultant. "We need to know, if some of the composite parts failed [on Flight 447, whether they failed at a point that any other material would have failed."

Determining what happened
The Associated Press reported Friday that three more bodies have been found, bringing the total to 44 of the 228 people aboard.

Investigators say determining their cause of death, as well as where each passenger was sitting on the plane, could help determine whether Flight 447 broke up in the air, or whether strong ocean currents are responsible for the widespread recovery zone.

A French nuclear submarine is scouring the Atlantic where debris has been found, listening for "pinger signals" from the black boxes. Special probes called "pinger locators" from the US Navy are expected to be part of the search in several days.

Some of the biggest pieces of debris found so far appear to be the plane's tail fin and vertical stabilizer. These parts are made partially of composite materials, and their failure has contributed to several crashes in the past. In the 2001 crash of American Airlines Flight 587, an Airbus 300 with a similar design to the A330, the vertical stabilizer snapped off in severe turbulence. One of the first questions investigators addressed was whether the composite materials used in the component contributed to the crash, according to Mr. Healing.

"The tail that broke off was a composite structure and was attached to the aircraft in six places. The bolts [some made of composite materials] holding it into place failed," he says.

Healing was on hand in Germany when investigators tested the strength of one of those composite bolts, and he said it appeared to behave as it was designed to, which is called its "rated value."

"That means that the bolt was designed to be strong enough to withstand the forces it might see once in the lifetime of the aircraft," says Healing. "That particular part failed at 192 percent of its rated value."

That means it withstood twice as much pressure as it was designed to before it failed, and so such bolts are still being used in newer aircraft, like the A330, according to Healing.

Composites less tested than metals
But some aviation analysts are less confident in the reliability of composite materials, in part because safety experts have not yet designed as many tests to determine whether this material has been compromised as they have for traditional metals like aluminum and titanium. Over the past 70 years, safety experts have designed a series of nondestructive methods of testing metals, using X-rays, dyes, and other techniques to find imperfections in the metal or cracks that could lead to a crash.

"We have a far less robust understanding of how composites may deteriorate," says Robert Mann, president of R.W. Mann & Co., an aviation consulting company in Port Washington, N.Y.

"The extent of our ability to find faults in composites is something called a tap test, believe it or not. We tap the part and if it rings true, then you say, 'Oh, it must be a good part.' But if you hear a kind of a thud, you say, 'Oh, maybe it has delaminated internally, maybe it's got a void or other problems internally."

Mr. Mann says when he saw the picture of the retrieved tail of Air France Flight 447, one of the first things he wanted to know was whether there was a parallel with AA Flight 586 and whether failure of the composite structures in any way contributed to the breakup of the plane.

 

[Lee_Gong_Yaw]

There were also no burns or blast injuries found on the first batch of 16 corpses examined post mortal. That means plane just broke in the storm and had not exploded or been bombed or shot down.

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Air France crash shows ‘black box obsolete’
AFP/Paris
Whether or not the black boxes from Air France flight 447 are found, the crash has shown that new technology is needed to record a flight’s last moments in real-time, an aviation expert argues.

Former Air Canada chief executive and ex-head of the International Air Transport Association, Pierre Jeanniot helped pioneer flight data recorders 40 years ago but now says the “black boxes” are obsolete.
“Technology has evolved,” Jeanniot said.

“Real-time data transmission from the cockpit by satellite is a lot less costly than it was ten years ago. It is now possible to transmit everything directly during the flight if there is a problem.”
Jeanniot said an automatic system for data transmission of flight information by satellite exists and should now become the norm in the industry.

It would put an end to painstaking searches like the one taking place off the coast of Brazil for AF 447’s flight recorders, and allow investigators to reconstruct events in only a few clicks of a mouse.

“The plane would begin to transmit data only from the time that a malfunction occurs,” said Jeanniot.

“The system can be programmed so that in the event of a serious malfunction, it transmits all data and cockpit communications non-stop. It’s quite simple.”

The new advanced technology would eliminate the need for costly and often futile searches for black boxes at the bottom of the ocean or deep in the jungle, using helicopters, submarines and mobilising rescue teams.
“Through satellite transmission, everything can be collected instantly. We can know exactly where the aircraft has dropped,” Jeanniot said.
More importantly, the valuable data would help grieving families.

“Can you imagine how hard it is for families to be left not knowing what happened for months, some times years?” he said.

A small Toronto-based firm StarNav is developing the state-of-the-art system to provide the real-time connection between the aircraft and the ground, said Jeanniot.

As the data would only be monitored in the event of a problem, most of the flights would not be transmitting anything at all, and there would be no risk of overloading the satellite linkups, said Jeanniot.

 

[Sideswipe]

don't know if they knew that the plane was going to break into pieces in midair, was it a sudden breaking or had the plane crews already announced the inevitable?

You can just imagine that moment when the passengers were scattered out of the broken Airbus plane in the air. You know you are going to die.

worse than the whole plane crashing into the ocean.

 

[csjcsjcsj]

don't know if they knew that the plane was going to break into pieces in midair, was it a sudden breaking or had the plane crews already announced the inevitable?

You can just imagine that moment when the passengers were scattered out of the broken Airbus plane in the air. You know you are going to die.

worse than the whole plane crashing into the ocean.

Unless you are flying low altitude you will not suffer much when that happen. Usually plane over ocean flies tens of thousands of feet, which will be very cold outside the plane and very low air pressure. You will freeze unless you wear special thermal suit, you will pass out quickly because your lungs can not take in enough oxygen in that thin cold air.



I read it somewhere that when a plane suddenly broke that kind of height is higher than peak of Mt Everest, the air is thiner than what the climber were struggling with oxygen masks, the air temperature is colder than peak of Mt Everest, most people will pass out quite quickly.

The cabin if still not completely fucked up will drop down oxygen mask for passenger when pressure is lost. But you have only short time to put it on before you lost consciousness. If you put on the oxygen, you still face the low temperature worst then Moscow's winter.

I think the cabin oxygen mask is only useful when pressure is lost not so abruptly, like a window or hatch door became leaking or pressure system failed. If plane broke apart, the pressure will be very suddenly drop and changed abruptly, passengers may just not be able to put on any oxygen masks. Masks will just be flying all over the cabin if not broken off away and scattered it the air quickly.

 

[Sideswipe]

I think the cabin oxygen mask is only useful when pressure is lost not so abruptly, like a window or hatch door became leaking or pressure system failed. If plane broke apart, the pressure will be very suddenly drop and changed abruptly, passengers may just not be able to put on any oxygen masks. Masks will just be flying all over the cabin if not broken off away and scattered it the air quickly.

any ideas wheater that plane broke apart with prior warning. I mean perhaps the pilot should know from his screen controls that the plane will break very soon.

It's real shocker for the plane to just break without advance warning.

 

[Watchman]

Cut workers cost , salary and regular maintenance lah !

They screw you back !

 

[myo539]

Ah Gong you so smart smart why don't show us some of these naked bodies?

 

[hairylee]

PAP bragged that they would be the most successful example initially in their Suzhou Singapore Industrial Park project. Full of Ego & Arrogance. And then they denied all the negative reports of their failures in the following 8 years. Finally after Chinese took over and revived the failed project to a success they try to claim merits from that success which belongs to the Chinese.

Only Lee Con You claim credit in the 154th.

 

[ahbengsong]

May these people and all who died in similar way rest in peace... GOD bless...

 

[tonychat]

I got these photo from an unsinkified fren of mine . a photo taken when air france was broken apart in mid-air.

 

[tonychat]

The recovered corpses spoke, and revealed the truth that AFR447 Airbus broke apart in mid air before it plunged into ocean.

1. The corpses were found in locations up to 85kms apart, proved that passengers were scattered out of the broken Airbus plane in the air.
2. Most of the corpses were naked or left with few inner garment, that indicated that passengers clothes ripped off by air & plunge into ocean in high speed fall without protection of plane.
3. There were no water found in lungs of corpses, showing that they were already dead in freezing thin air high altitude before they went into ocean. If they were still alive in ocean and drowned, water will be in their lungs.
4. Corpses were rather complete, with limbs etc, but fractures matches with those caused by direct impact of bodies against water. So they were not inside a plane when they hit water.
5. The broken apart plane sent a series of automated messages regarding electrical failures and computer failures and lost of cabin pressure etc, that is mostly after the plane had already broken apart, these series of failures was because the plane was no longer in one single piece.

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遗体查验结果支持失事法航客机空中断裂后坠海的假设
2009年06月12日 22:09:58 　来源：新华网
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报道说，大部分在费尔南多－迪诺罗尼亚岛经过初步辨认的遗体都是全部裸露或只穿最少的内衣，这表明客机先断裂了，遇难者下坠过程中衣服都被吹走。

初步分析还排除了飞机发生爆炸的可能性，因为没有一具遗体上有烧伤痕迹。这些被打捞上来的遗体都相对完整，几乎每具都有多处骨折，包括上肢、下肢和臀部，应该是遇难者从高空高速坠入水中造成的创伤。同时，已查验的遗体中没有发现肺部进水的现象。

报道还提到，飞机先在空中断裂的假设也有其他证据支持，比如巴西空军在搜寻过程中发现的两个遇难者遗体集中地带相距８５公里。如果飞机是完整坠海的，那么即使经过１０天的洋流作用，遗体也应该相对集中在一个地区。

法航一架空客Ａ３３０客机于格林尼治时间６月１日凌晨在大西洋海域上空失事。客机上共有２１６名乘客和１２名机组人员，其中包括９名中国乘客。目前巴西军方共证实打捞上来４４具遇难者遗体。

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Therefore SIA was completely telling lies when they blindly claimed that their Airbus A330 were VERY SAFE PLANES, before even they waited for the results and findings from AFR447 crash.

They have the typical PAP attitude of AH BENG EGO, arrogance and False & Naive Confidence, just like Phua Chu Kang PCK - the best in Batam JB & Singapore.



PAP bragged that they would be the most successful example initially in their Suzhou Singapore Industrial Park project. Full of Ego & Arrogance. And then they denied all the negative reports of their failures in the following 8 years. Finally after Chinese took over and revived the failed project to a success they try to claim merits from that success which belongs to the Chinese.

SIA's attitude false claiming that they had the Safest & Best planes is the same as PAP govt.

SIA falsely denied that SQ006 was taking off from the wrong runway initially, and then the next day when blackbox was quickly recovered, they reversed their stands immediately and admit that SQ006 was on wrong runway. This the same kind of attitude between SIA & PAP.

Be quick to deny shortcomings and faults, blindly deny and blindly claim credits, shameless and foolish.
:(

That is why they are call the PAP losers and do not have real quality in doing work except licking their master's ball to earn a living.

Such losers are a disgrace to humanity. and worse still those worthless sinkies go and vote for them. That is even more of a disgrace.

 

[Lee_Gong_Yaw]

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法航447客机急坠解体？
2009年06月15日 08:06:06 　来源：新华网
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6月13日，一架运载有21具法航失事客机遇难者遗体的巴西空军飞机抵达巴西东北部城市累西腓。当日，第二批25具法航失事客机遇难者遗体中的21具运抵累西腓。新华社/法
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以打捞出水的法国航空公司４４７航班客机残骸为研究对象，巴西航空专家１３日判定，客机在空中没有发生爆炸，而是发生了瞬间急坠并在落海前解体，所有乘客和机组人员无暇对这片刻间的灾难作出反应。

遇难者遗体表现出的一些特性也为上述推断提供佐证。

瞬间急坠

阿里·热尔马诺是巴西著名航空专家，拥有多年飞行经验，曾撰写一本有关全球空难史的专著。在１３日的巴西《环球报》上，热尔马诺认为客机在瞬间发生急坠现象。

热尔马诺以巴西空军释放出的有关客机残骸图片为依据作出上述推断。

他说，至少有一张图片明显证明，空难发生得极为突然，以至于没有人能作出任何反应。

这张图片表现的是一张乘务人员的专用座椅，座椅上的安全带“悬垂，没有系扣”。与大多数客机机组人员专用座椅相同，Ａ３３０－２００客机上的乘务人员专用座椅的安全带为肩式，而非乘客座椅采用的腰跨式。

座椅安全带没有系扣“表明乘务人员当时正在机舱内活动。如果坠机前出现任何故障迹象，机长发出警报后乘务人员应当就位并系上安全带”，热尔马诺说。

无炸无火

热尔马诺在巴西空军公布的一些图片中还发现一个完整的飞机专用救生包。热尔马诺说，如果机长发出紧急通知，机组人员一般需要将这个重要的橙色救生包打开备用。

“他们根本没有时间来做任何准备工作，”热尔马诺说。

眼下，巴西空军将所有打捞出水的飞机残骸和遇难者遗体集中在东北部城市累西腓，空难原因仍在调查之中。

巴西航空公司国家联盟安全顾问、机长罗纳尔多·詹金斯也告诉《环球报》，客机没有任何发生过爆炸或起火的迹象。“从最近公开的一些照片看，飞机没有发生过爆炸或起火”。

詹金斯说，从打捞出水的机舱内部板材残片、盥洗室门、救生衣等物品中找不到任何发生过起火或爆炸的痕迹。

尸检释疑

迄今，巴西空军和法国海军搜救人员联合打捞出水的遇难者遗体已达到５０具。美国《西雅图邮报》１３日报道，针对这些遇难者遗体的尸检工作正在进行，尸检将是破解和还原空难前后真相的一大突破口。

巴西《圣保罗州报》１３日报道，针对最先打捞出的１３具遇难者遗体的尸检报告显示出一些可供推测的重要素材。

尸检人员透露，遇难者在打捞出水时大多数都没有衣服，几近裸露。由于没有遗体表现出烧灼痕迹，因此可排除衣物遭焚毁的可能。专家推断，飞机极可能在空中解体，致使乘客衣物在强大惯性和高速坠落过程中被吹破散落继而沉海。

报道说，如果客机没有发生解体而是整机坠海碎裂，遇难者遗体应当有衣物覆体，而且遗体与遗体的打捞距离不该相距８５公里之遥。

另一个从尸检得出的重要发现是，遇难者遗体表现出各不相同的骨折情况，说明客机在空中解体后遇难者散落空中以不同姿态坠海与海面发生撞击，发生不同骨折。虽然在整机坠海情形下遇难者也会出现骨折，但如果均为坐姿，骨折情形应当大致相仿。

此外，尸检发现，所有遗体肺部没有积水，证明遇难者并非溺水而死。报道说，整机坠海发生溺水可能性较大。

永久下沉

尽管眼下巴西和法国方面还没有放弃打捞工作，但巴西空军坦言，打捞工作越来越艰难，寻找其他遇难者遗体的可能性越来越渺茫。

《西雅图邮报》援引巴西空军消息源说，在可能是坠机发生地点的海域，眼下平均水温为２８度，如此温暖的水温会加速遗体的下沉。一般在海洋中的空难遇难者会经历一个下沉－上浮－永久下沉的阶段，高水温致使这个过程缩短。

美国恩布里－里德尔航空大学空难调查学专家威廉·沃尔多克告诉《西雅图邮报》：“一般在这种温暖水温条件下，完整的遗体只能在水面漂浮２至３周时间，而后就将下沉……高水温也预示，那里可能有丰富的海洋生物。”

沃尔多克说，巴西军方可能很快就将放弃打捞。

《西雅图邮报》认为，尸检结果可为调查带来许多新线索和证据，但眼下巴西和法国联合组成的尸检上级部门对尸检结果高度保密。（凌朔）


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[TeeKee]

“Real-time data transmission from the cockpit by satellite is a lot less costly than it was ten years ago. It is now possible to transmit everything directly during the flight if there is a problem.”
Jeanniot said an automatic system for data transmission of flight information by satellite exists and should now become the norm in the industry.

Und Vhy They Neber transmit the last GPS position?

 

[motormafia]

Und Vhy They Neber transmit the last GPS position?

That is a VERY IMPORTANT FEATURE that current Civil Aviation LACKS.

They are still using Analog VHF Radio that was originally made for ships.

They should had a system that Modulate the Digital Data of the flight's Call Sign + GPS location onto the VHF Radio, and Transmit within the 300mili sec when pilot pressed TALK SWITCH. That way other aircrafts see it on the display, it's identity it's location on the Map on screen before hearing what the pilot says.

Some security or police radio already have this feature of sending a digital ID in the split second before sending any speech once the TALK SWITCH is pressed. That could some times be heard as a series of sharp and short beep tones before each part of a radio dialog.

This is easy and simple but very useful.

But the idiots don't have the brains to implement it on planes that costs millions and fetch hundreds of passengers. Fucking ridiculous!

 

[mudskipper]

This is easy and simple but very useful.

But the idiots don't have the brains to implement it on planes that costs millions and fetch hundreds of passengers. Fucking ridiculous!

can enlighten us how this gadget would have been useful in this particular airfrance crash?

 

[Cthulhu]

I got these photo from an unsinkified fren of mine . a photo taken when air france was broken apart in mid-air.

WOW! I didn't know Evangeline Lily was on flight 447.
The survivors must be on some mysterious island even as we speak.