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Academic: S'pore CPF not enough !

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Spirited debate on adequacy of CPF

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http://www.straitstimes.com/Singapore/Story/STIStory_508215.html
THE workings of the Central Provident Fund (CPF) and whether it provided enough for retirement fuelled a spirited debate at yesterday's inaugural Ee Peng Liang Seminar on the Aged.
The spark came from a paper presented by National University of Singapore (NUS) social work graduate Ng Kok Hoe, which highlighted that a Singaporean would draw between 8 per cent and 26 per cent of his last drawn salary from the CPF at age 65.
Mr Ng, who is pursuing his doctorate in social policy at the London School of Economics, questioned if this was enough, as other countries seemed to hit 50 per cent or more through their pension schemes.
Mr Ng's paper showed that 68 per cent of annual CPF contribution is spent on housing, while health took up 18 per cent and pensions 14 per cent.
Debating it were Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports Vivian Balakrishnan and Dr Lee Soon Ann, senior fellow at the department of economics at NUS. Dr Balakrishnan took the point there was no perfect balance to how CPF should be spent, but noted that Singaporeans had 'by and large got it right so far'.
As to whether the payout was enough, he said one should not discount the equity tied up in housing. There are schemes which allow Singaporeans to sublet their homes or downsize for cash, letting them 'extract liquidity out of equity', he said.
On another point, Dr Lee suggested that the 14.5 per cent contributed by the employer to the employee's CPF each month could be used by employers instead for training to increase labour productivity.
Dr Balakrishnan disagreed, saying that funding for training and research would come from other sources, and not CPF. He said that CPF is 'basically about saving, and saving enough for retirement'.
Yesterday, Mr Ng received the Ee Peng Liang Memorial Fund Scholarship, which goes to students with both academic excellence and leadership potential in the social service sector in Singapore.
Mr Ee Peng Liang, who died in 1994 aged 81, was known to Singaporeans as 'Mr Charity' for his decades of work in the social service sector.

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March 30, 2010 by admin
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A paper presented by an NUS social graduate Ng Kok Hoe at a Seminar on the Aged yesterday questioned if Singaporeans have sufficient CPF savings for their retirement, the Straits Times reported.
Mr Ng’s presentation revealed that “a Singaporean would draw between 8 per cent and 26 per cent of his last drawn salary from the CPF at age 65.” and that “68 per cent of annual CPF contribution is spent on housing, while health took up 18 per cent and pensions 14 per cent.”
Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports Dr Vivian Balakrishnan who was at the seminar said there was no “perfect” balance to how CPF should be spent.
He added that Singaporeans had “by and large got it right so far” without substantiating his claims.
Singaporeans are allowed to use their savings in CPF ordinary account to pay for housing loans.
More than 85 percent of Singaporeans live in HDB flats built by the government.
Though the government claims they are “heavily subsidized”, the prices of HDB flats have sky-rocketed in recent years.
As such, an increasing proportion of Singaporeans’ CPF monies are tied up with the housing loans leaving little for their retirement.
Dr Vivian said one should not “discount” the equity tied up in housing as “there are schemes which allow Singaporeans to sublet their homes or downsize for cash, letting them ‘extract liquidity out of equity.”
Under a new scheme introduced last year, Singaporeans are allowed to “sell” their HDB flats back to HDB in return for a monthly sum of allowance for 30 years while they continue to live in their flats.
With more and more Singaporeans entering retirement age, there are concerns that they may not have sufficient CPF monies for their retirement and end up being a burden to the state.
Despite being the second richest country in Asia after Japan, Singaporeans enjoy few social welfare benefits from the nanny state which has constantly espoused the “virtues” of “self-reliance” and eschewed “welfarism”.
Singaporeans are expected to work for as long as it takes till they drop dead and die while competing directly with cheap foreign workers and remaining “cheaper, better and faster” at the same time.
In the meantime, the state has no qualms losing billions of dollars of national reserves through its two gigantic sovereign wealth funds in failed overseas investments.
There is little Singaporeans can do about their plight as their political and civil rights are curtailed by a series of repressive laws put in place by a despotic regime to perpetuate its political hegemony forever.
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Why they always never acknowledge that pay packet never caught up with housing prices ?
 
That really bad 8~26% of the last draw salary.
Problem is
1. CPF acc interest rate too low- should be 4~5%
2. Almost all OA in CPF use up for buying property

My suggestion is only to have 2 CPF account let say only OA and SA.
50% contribution in OA and another 50% in SA. SA cannot be touch until age 55.
Those medical cost have to use from OA. Then it will solve the problem of empty account in CPF. All CPF account will have min interest rate at 4%.
 
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